tang cruelty

[BBQHILLBILLY]

My bad. GS. you have a great tank. You have a lot of experience. But you cant be serious about raising14 tangs in a 180. Maybe temp. I see that.
I saw your tank and made an offer to buy it. Didnt have the grand though. When I saw your tank you didnt have 14 tangs in there.
If someone put that in their tank just the size of a full grown tang would force somebody to sell it. I didnt want to mislead anyone.

This thread is about tang cruelty. I believe that tang cruelty includes the idea of buying fish that can not be maintained in the tank it was bought for so you have to get rid of it.
Hence the first post.

[jroescher]

Fish stores sell them because people buy them. People buy them because fish stores sell them. Who's to blame?

[BBQHILLBILLY]

If somebody buys 40 cats and cant take care of them whos to blame? good question.

I believe most folk at the LFS are under the impression you will upgrade your tank when your fish get bigger.

When you buy a snake or turtle same thing. You have to upgrade your tank.

Its upto the customer to educate themselve as much as possible. Their is a ton of info on internet or books.

[allan]

I remember when Ping stopped by the house and told me that I would eventually have to re-home my tangs... And after seeing them in Hawaii I can see the truth there. Simply put, a 17" fish will be very unhappy, IMO, in something so small as a 180 gallon tank.

The OP wasn't wrong... But IMO he wasn't right either. It all depends on what size the fish is, in regard to the size of the tank he's in. In just about every tank, save for Jose's 600 gallon FOWLR, no one should have any tangs because they WILL eventually outgrow their homes.

I think Ace, when he relinquished his eel, donated it to sea world or the zoo where the creature would have plenty of space.

I've always thought that when I get rid of the tangs when they're too large, I would follow Ace's example.

[Europhyllia]

How many people can donate their too big fish though? I would think even seaworld and the zoo has a limited need for outgrown pets.
I think the longterm sustainability of a fish should definitely be a consideration for whether or not to purchase it?

As for how happy a fish is. That's probably tough to gauge. Basics of course are: are they healthy, are they stressed, do they show signs of disease or injury, are they dying either in the tank or regularly jumping out and dying on the floor?
You speak of it as in the past, JT. What happened with the tangs in the shallow long tank? Did you get a bigger tank? I remember the shallow one was super scratched up.

[Reefer madness92]

no its cause tangs are crazy swimmers if youve ever seen then in a huge aquarium u would see how much u deprive them its not there size

[allan]

Karin, you're right. I think Ace had an uphill battle to get them to foster the eel.

I don't think they take from just anyone.

[hobogato]

actually, the eel went to the zoo and all of the tangs went to sea world. it was not an easy process in either case.

Karin, you're right. I think Ace had an uphill battle to get them to foster the eel.

I don't think they take from just anyone.

[Gseclipse02]

How many people can donate their too big fish though? I would think even seaworld and the zoo has a limited need for outgrown pets.
I think the longterm sustainability of a fish should definitely be a consideration for whether or not to purchase it?

As for how happy a fish is. That's probably tough to gauge. Basics of course are: are they healthy, are they stressed, do they show signs of disease or injury, are they dying either in the tank or regularly jumping out and dying on the floor?
You speak of it as in the past, JT. What happened with the tangs in the shallow long tank? Did you get a bigger tank? I remember the shallow one was super scratched up.

I had bought that sailfin the day before the guy who sold it said it was 3-4 inchs i didnt look in the bucket till i was home and it was more 7 inch i sold it with in the week to eve

[350gt]

If somebody buys 40 cats and cant take care of them whos to blame? good question.

I believe most folk at the LFS are under the impression you will upgrade your tank when your fish get bigger.

When you buy a snake or turtle same thing. You have to upgrade your tank..

Cats and fish are 2 totally different subjects, our fish will never breed to the point where they become other ppls problem.

Most and I mean MOST fish stores honestly don't care what you do with the fish you buy, if they did they wouldn't be open for business.....if they cared, they would ask what size tank the fish is going into and not sell you the fish if they feel it is too small....

I remember being at one shop and the sales pol laughing at a customer that would buy the same fish every other week or something like that, cause they kept dying on him....... Sad to say but he was considered a good customer...