ERRRRRRR !!! Marine Ich !!!!

[Purplebeladona]

Cryptocaryon is an obligate parasite, point taken on the Ichthyophthirius as this pertains to freshwater ich however cryptocaryon irritans , which pertains to marine ich IS a parasite. Back to the cleaner shrimp issue??
Purple

[Bill S]

Why don't we just agree to disagree.

Cleaner shrimp do eat parasites on fish. Most sources indicate that they do not remove cryptocaryon, as it buries so deeply into the fish.

Personally, I do recommend cleaner shrimp - and have had them in the past. Unfortunately, my old flame hawk decided he'd rather eat than be clean... I just don't believe they are a cure or even much help, specifically with marine ich.

To each his own - I've seen many, many theories grow and die in the 35+ years in this hobby. Like I said, let's just agree to disagree - and let the OP decide what to do.

[Purplebeladona]

Just because you have been in this hobby for 35 plus years does not mean you have done it right. I will not agree to disagree as I am 100% correct in my advice to the man who asked for it. Take it up with nature if you want to continue to think you know so much, I'm sure the oceans inhabitants will also DISAGREE with you!
Purple

[Purplebeladona]

PS>
In the new addition of Coral Magazine in the interview by Daniel Knop with Joe Yaiullo, the cofounder and curator of the Atlantis Marine World Aquarium, :
Daniel asked if he can talk about some of the problems encountered in his 30 foot wide reef aquarium...in Joe's 1 and a half page answer he states:
"Cryptocaryon infections and the like are always latent, but with water quality, healthy food, cleaner shrimps, and cleaner wrasses they can easily be kept under control."
Purple

[Bill S]

"White spot disease" or "Ich", is a primarily cutaneous infection of freshwater and marine fish caused by the protozoan parasite Ichthyophthirius multifilis ...
please research parasites.
Purple

JI am 100% correct in my advice to the man who asked for it.
Purple

So much for you being 100% right. You were wrong on the basics here - you got the wrong parasite - and it was OBVIOUS that it was wrong to anyone who knows anything about Marine Ich, and yet you posted it anyway.

BTW, I've been wrong many, many times before, and will be wrong many, many times in the future. Anyone who thinks they are 100% right is this hobby is setting himself/herself up - and likely too closed-minded to be giving advice. Treatment of marine ich is still a controversial issue - and it should be recognized as that.

40 posts vs. 4000 posts. I'll let the OP decide.

[RayAllen]

Hey Paul

You and I both know your best bet is to put them in a hospital tank, but I completely understand why you are not. It would be a pain in the rear to catch them in your tank.

Id try everything at the same time. Vitamin C dosing, Cleaner Shrimp, medication or chemical. The key here is not to stress out the tangs more than they already are.

Good Luck

[Bill S]

The key here is not to stress out the tangs more than they already are.

Good Luck

Bingo!

[Purplebeladona]

Its a crying shame that you are relying on the post to just go away. You should be able to have a discussion even a disagreement, and it should be able to stay posted for everyone to see and make up there own mind about each side. As far as right or wrong....I am right. I accidentally posted the wrong name and admitted to that....however, cleaner shrimp will help cure the problem. I am not the only one to stumble upon this great mystery. wink wink. As I stated before, go read the article I sited in the new volume of the Coral Magazine. I guess Joe Yaiullo is wrong too. Maybe you should contact him and let him know.

[Bill S]

PS> "Cryptocaryon infections and the like are always latent, but with water quality, healthy food, cleaner shrimps, and cleaner wrasses they can easily be kept under control."
Purple

And from THAT, you decide that Cleaner Shrimp are THE solution? THE CURE?

He has 4 items in that sentence. Any ONE of them could be responsible for his success, and the other 3 could be doing nothing. Note that he said "under control" not cured. 2 of 4 could be doing something, as could 3 of 4 or 4 of 4. That's SCIENCE (I'm a Molecular Biologist, by the way - went to a tiny little school in Houston to get a PhD - Rice University - just so you know I'm not the idiot you might think I am).

You come on this site and expect everyone to believe that 100% of what you say is right - and that everyone else is wrong. This hobby is NOT an exact, known science. Much of what we thought in the early 1970s was clearly not right, and some of what we believe today will be found patently wrong in the future. Please consider that in some of the things you say, you might be later found out to be wrong. It's a way of life in this hobby.

[Purplebeladona]

I never stated that cleaner shrimp are the ONLY way to go, I simply stated that they help cure the problem. Obviously others believe the same way I do as they have stated that in their reply to Paul's problem. Also, why would Joe Yaiullo put them in the Atlantis World Marine Aquarium if it were a myth that they do indeed clean the fish. And yes he does have other methods to help as well, but he still sees the need to put in cleaner shrimp. I have spoken with Paul and hopefully helped him with his emergency. I hope he can take my advice as well as the other advice from the posts and help his fish get better. As far as you being a molecular biologist....great. Your friends and family should be proud. This however does not have anything to do with the quest at hand. If you had originally state that "in your opinion cleaner shrimp do not work with ich" then none of this would have had to been said. However, I have cited a few sources that help prove my opinion on the matter, and all that has come from your side is your own words. If you are Daniel Knop, Julian Sprung, Bob Fenner or any of the leading advisors in the saltwater community then I would not care about your sources, as I could take your word as is. But you are not, so it would be nice to see the sources to which you are deriving your opinion. This will be my last post on the matter.

Purple