Interesting thread advocating for us to clean our sand

[jcnkt_ellis]

Yes, and bacteria also poo so those products are just making the waste product smaller and enabling a longer time for buildup to occur. After all, there is always some waste that settles out of the water column before it can be removed by skimming.

Paul, I'm enjoying the conversation with you. No ill will is intended. You're just the only one who has responded and argued consistently.

Personally, at the end of the day I rather discuss this and walk away with the correct method that works for everyone then the method that works for X so far, but may not work for Y, and didn't work for Z because he somehow didn't have the same parameters as X...

[Paul28]

haha the day someone comes up with the super method lmk plz

[FireWater]

Years ago a wise reef keeper told me to do multiple smaller changes each week. I adhered to that principle and never had issues. I then got lazy and brave with all the new "it" products. I slacked on maintenance thinking my hard earned money spent in products would carry me through. Nope.

I still believe the best method is removal via water change. Adding bacteria and other items after establishing the tank does not alleviate the situation and only masks it. <my opinion and my opinion only.

[jcnkt_ellis]

Only a matter of time...we reefers are already recognizing that there are at least 3 biotopes: the low nutrient, aka SPS, the high nutrient, aka Softy and LPS, and the balancing act, aka Mixed Reef. Who's to say that our discussions won't lead to at least one full proof method for one of those three...

[FireWater]

I would love to agree. However, I don't feel as if the market will allow one simple method. Lol.

[FireWater]

Oh, and I did stir my sand all the time. Won't have to worry about it for a while after this weekend.

[jcnkt_ellis]

Lol, john, my current routine is what your describing and I'm thrilled with the results.

It would seem that at least everyone agrees with water changes, btw, and that is very marketable for all the salt manufacturers.

By the way, if you read 20 pages or so into the thread I posted they get a little off topic and talk about how DSBs were endorsed because they were very marketable and lucrative for the company's involved. Don't know how much is true, but it was interesting reading ;)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Paul28]

Years ago a wise reef keeper told me to do multiple smaller changes each week. I adhered to that principle and never had issues. I then got lazy and brave with all the new "it" products. I slacked on maintenance thinking my hard earned money spent in products would carry me through. Nope.

I still believe the best method is removal via water change. Adding bacteria and other items after establishing the tank does not alleviate the situation and only masks it. <my opinion and my opinion only.

Hah love t John yeh water changes are the way wish that was the only way wow this would be easy

[Paul28]

I cant talk tho I got real LAZY on my waterchanges

[Paul28]

who is going to invent the first bacteria to remove phosphates will be the winner tho