gorg questions

[drunkenclam]

The notes that I shared were meant to summarize the research that was presented at the conference and are by no means a scientific abstract. Perhaps my lack of affiliation with the researcher was unclear. I thought there were a couple of points that address the issue of optimum feeding of the gorgonian coral that might be helpful to Kevin, who was asking about the feeding of gorgonians in the original post.

I certainly may have made errors in my note-taking, so I would encourage you to contact Dr. Ron Shimek yourself, or attend one of his upcoming speaking engagements if you would like to learn more about his research. I'm sure he would be more than happy to address any concerns you have about the vailidity of his research.

I have e-mailed Dr. Shimek in regards to the fore mentioned research. Thank you.

[Kristy]

I hope that you will share with us what you are attempting to clarify with Dr. Shimek and what you are able to find out from him.

It occurred to me that if the issue is with my abbreviated note-taking, perhaps there is something that I could clarify?

[drunkenclam]

As i have said. i was not there for the presentation. so * In nature, each gorgonian polyp eats up to 8 times a day, grabbing food that is being deliverd on currents that are up to 132,000 gallons per hour. No way we can replicate that. no. we won't match 132k per hour. increase the "food" concentration by 10k at 1300gph and it evens out. i won't even get near 8 times a day, let alone per polyp, and how that is measured. that is a question for the Dr. I would like to go on about frequency and amount but my corals are out of dog food........since mixture don't matter.

[Kristy]

Yes, in that case... details such as "the mixture of food does not matter" were issues that he did elaborate on and I just offered a very short-hand summary of a 1.5 hour presentation. I was also assuming (dangerous, I know!) that our readers here could use some common sense and would refer to the recommended foods specified in the notes.

Also, he does point out that offering increased amount and frequency of food is the best we can do, which may have not been as clear in my notes as you would have liked. As I took the time and trouble to jot something down, it did not occur to me that this would be subjected to such scrutiny. I just tried to be accurate and to pass along some good info about what could be fed and how, specific info on best placement / currents.

Drunkenclam, do you keep gorgonians? Have you had any luck with them? Are they the NPS variety or the photosynthetic kind? What have you found that helps in feeding them?

[Europhyllia]

saabtech, not sure if that's helpful but there's a guy named Jens Kallmeyer that has kept gorgonians successfully for several years. He's active on RC.
Since I am interested in keeping them alive in the aquarium, he's kind of the guy I try to get ideas from since he's been very successful in doing just that -alive and growing in the aquarium.
However with you being able to regrow lost tissue in just a day I might PM you from now on! ;)

[saabtech]

first off thanks Kristy for all the info and links. good stuff.
second thanks to everyone else and all there valuable input and interesting dialog.
i spoke of some tissue recession that has healed very rapidly and i said that i wish i had a pic. well last night i found a remnant of some damage and took a pic. and tonight i took a pic of the same thing. i tried to get the same focus/zoom/lighting etc. but thats hard to do from day to day.

here are the pics. one from march 4 at around 9 pm and one from march 5 at 9pm.

[hobogato]

definitely looks like it healed up - you must be doing something right!

[drunkenclam]

Yes, in that case... details such as "the mixture of food does not matter" were issues that he did elaborate on and I just offered a very short-hand summary of a 1.5 hour presentation. I was also assuming (dangerous, I know!) that our readers here could use some common sense and would refer to the recommended foods specified in the notes.

Also, he does point out that offering increased amount and frequency of food is the best we can do, which may have not been as clear in my notes as you would have liked. As I took the time and trouble to jot something down, it did not occur to me that this would be subjected to such scrutiny. I just tried to be accurate and to pass along some good info about what could be fed and how, specific info on best placement / currents.

Drunkenclam, do you keep gorgonians? Have you had any luck with them? Are they the NPS variety or the photosynthetic kind? What have you found that helps in feeding them?

I know i am seen like a arse around here but I do prefer eccentric. I questioned you on the info you posted as i was intrigued. The comments you posted left me with questions. yes, common sense as required foods was understood as u assumed. i have/had no issues with your "cliff notes" just the gaps between. so i await the reply from my e-mail.

yes, i keep both photo and non-photo gorgs as well as sponge. they do well. some better than others but they live with my food mixture. fell free t pm for the recipe i use if intrested. and if i am not banned by then

[hobogato]

actually, i am interested dc. could you post it here? right now i am feeding mine rotifers, cyclops, prawn eggs, live baby brine and live phyto, but i am always up for suggestions.

now, if i dont like your recipe, you can expect the ban hammer!
(i am just joking of course)

[drunkenclam]

actually, i am interested dc. could you post it here? right now i am feeding mine rotifers, cyclops, prawn eggs, live baby brine and live phyto, but i am always up for suggestions.

now, if i dont like your recipe, you can expect the ban hammer!
(i am just joking of course)

my pleasure Mr. Prez, just don't ban hammer me if you disagree........
200mL ro/di
1g coral-frenzy
1g photoplankton (e.s.v. sprayed-dried)
1g cyclop-eeze (argent - whole freeze dried)
1g prime reef (ocean nutrition)
1g formula two (ocean nutrition)
1mL coral amino (brightwell aquatics)
2mL oyster feast (reef nutrition)
1mL each phyto-plus a & b (microbe-lift)

blend (use the kitchen blender, then duck for cover from the wife) above well...very well.

pour into storage container.

rinse blender with 200ml ro/di and pour into storage container.

feed 10mL for every 100 gallons of display.

that's how i do it. my sponges/seafans/ gorgos (filter feeders only) maintain their health. photo/filter gorgos show noticeable growth. keep in mind these species are slow growing by nature. but you know that. if you have clams they will double up in size under a year. this is, of course, my experience. your mileage my vary. BEST part of this hobby IMHO. do keep in mind, for any on lookers, that this is a lot of FOOD. it may not seem as so but at a microscopic level you just dropped a dead fish in your tank. your skimmer will slow down from the amino acids form the e.s.v. and brightwell if you include it. so water changes will matter here. i've rambeled long enough. in end, i will say thank you to you, mr.hobo and the pennies center, for their responses and pm's to my post. you show respect and open mind in to my post even if in disagreement. the mod's could only wish to have such diplomacy. good day