I had wanted to do a group order with them several months ago, I believe another group order was ending, and there was so much loss, that a credit group order was started. I did not want this one to get lost in the shadow of the other, so I detained it. Thanks David, they look like they had some awesome items, back then, I will check them out. If you go back and re read my thread, I thought that Collin, was offering a 25% discount. You may check it out.