I agree that shock collars have their place. My vet swears by them when snake training dogs. I know that there are varying opinions on the use of such items. No, I am not a PETA member, too much hunting in my past and present to even remotely qualify. I have raised many labs over the years, both for pleasure and for hunting. It has been my experience that you get better results from love, praise, affection, and a constant routine that keeps the animal thinking rather than from punishment. Yes, shock collars do get immediate results, but at what cost? I would never even think of doing this to a human-see linked video from Joshua-(Bin Ladden and terrorists excluded from this comment- as they are not human anyways), why would I inflict pain on my best friend? I will now bow out, and not comment anymore, as I dont want this thread to turn into a debate. Best of luck to all! Erick....