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    ill have to see with how my fish act on the cover, and as for buffers do i really need any, because we have well water, so the water was naturally buffered with limestone. the ph is 8.2
    Actually you would do well to use di water. If your well water is anything like mine ,which I'm sure it is, then it will have low (but still too high) phosphate and that alkalinity will be around 6 meq/l (15 - 16 dKH). That's really too high and will give you some problems. Fish will tolerate it but you may have problems with corals.

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    haha you are never around when i come up, i have to "settle" for mark. lol j/k hes answered tons of stupid questions for me. wifey and i love your store and the help we receive there. well worth the drive for us!
    Well I thank you for coming all the way to our store. Funny, there are people who think I never work and people who think Mark never works. Not like the first couple years when we both worked ALL the time. I'm so glad those days are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    ill have to see with how my fish act on the cover, and as for buffers do i really need any, because we have well water, so the water was naturally buffered with limestone. the ph is 8.2
    Actually you would do well to use di water. If your well water is anything like mine ,which I'm sure it is, then it will have low (but still too high) phosphate and that alkalinity will be around 6 meq/l (15 - 16 dKH). That's really too high and will give you some problems. Fish will tolerate it but you may have problems with corals.
    di? whats that? is that a chemical i can put inn there? ill try to come by a soon as i can (i dotn drive, so i have to go when my parents go to HEB :P) maybe you can show me some stuff you have at CB pets...

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    Di = Dionized water. you can buy it cheap at CB pets if you don't have a filter, it's actually taking stuff out of the water (almost everything) not putting stuff in, so no additived. CB pets has an awesome commercial grade DI system that will make the best water you can absolutely get.

    As for the other stuff: I have had some bad experiences (great for learning!) that will hopefully guide you.

    1) 20 is small, heat WILL be an issue. be careful how many power heads you add to the tank, this includes filters, skimmers, etc.. anything that has a moving part will add heat. (then add light heat and your actual heater.) I stewed my 30 gallon by putting in to many pumps, I was pushing the upper limit on heat, then one went bad and presto. coral stew.

    Even though people knock them, I like the powersweep powerheads, they are a cheap ecenomical source of flow in your tank, but you have to be 'religious' in your maintenance of them, luckily, this is easy enough thanks to a lesson from richard. buy a 5 dollar bottle of muratic acid from home depot and dunk your powersweeps (take them apart first and wear gloves!) in a weak solution, and watch your powerheads make like an alka-seltzer tablet. I cleaned one 4 weeks ago that I thought was a lost cause, works like a champ now, looks like it was fresh out of the box! I would think that a better solution than putting in lots of power heads, or bigger ones, for more flow.

    2) don't skimp on a skimmer. as was said, you can get away without having one if your dilligent in your tank maintenance. But I would say there is good argument that a cheap skimmer is not better than no skimmer, for instance, I had a prizm overflow it's collection cup once because they are darn near friggin IMPOSSIBLE to dial in... (at least for me) and the mess, well, it was smelly... People who buy cheap skimmers almost always end up buying better skimmers later.

    I don't know anyone who has experience with the coralvue octopus skimmer, so I can't comment on that.

    However, I do have experience with a Remora that makes stinky nasty skimate!

    And it just so happens, that AquaC is FINALLY releasing their NANO Remora this year, designed for tanks in your size range, and undoubtedly cheaper than what they have out now. That would be my buy if I was doing a tank that small again.
    "Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean ? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind." ~ Jack Handey

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    Here's an really good article for you (or anyone) on things to consider when choosing a skimmer. Rather long but worth the read.

    http://www.proteinskimmer.com/skimmerdatabase.htm

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    thanks a bunch guys. ram pouppy, i was looking into those sweepinf power heads, ill probably get one. also how much is the DI water? and how much is the system to make it?
    i will readf that article, thanks Richard.

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    wooohooo!! i got a 50 dollar gift certificate to CB Pets . see ya soon richard!!!! lol.

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    hmmm... i got to thinking today, and i was thinking of maybe gettiong the stand, and sump from my 58 gallon, and put a piece if plywood on top of the stand, so i can put the 20 gallon tank on there, and using a sump for this tank... it would be much n9icer to be able to put all theh equipment in the sump, and a 20 gallonj sump for a 20 gallon tank would be extremley nice, as trhat will almost double the amount of water in my system, so it wioll be alittle more stable, and it wouldnt cost to much more.

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    well im gonna drill the 20, and do the sump, annd also ive priced evrything, down to the last elbow :P and it came out around 315 dollars. and that is everything except sand, and LR (and salt and a SW test kit, but i already bought those.) so im happy. then that leaves me with about 35 bucks for some LR. im getting sand with a gift certificate, so yea... ill be ready to fill her up sooner than i thought

    i also think im going to start putting in all my prices in heer, so another beginner can have an idea of what they are gonna be spending. im thinking once i get a protien skimmer, corals, fish and its all setup, and an RO/DI unit, ill have probably spent around 900 dollors.
    so this is what ive bought so far-
    Tank-50$
    stand/sump-40$
    sand, test kit, salt-50$
    thats what ive gotten so far.
    my prices for what equipment im getting is an estimate,
    about 315 for the lights, portable refractometer, heater, sump media, return pump, and all plumbing. and 25' of airline tubing.
    then about another 150 for fish, and cleanup crews, shrimp ect.
    then about 75 for a protien skimmer.
    about 200(?) for corals?
    and maybe in the distant future a RO/DI unti, and an auto topoff unit (ill leave those out of the budget for now :P) so that puts me ayt a total of... 880 dollars.

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    aha! i thought of another question, what is the difference between cured, and uncured live rock? if i got uncured live rock is it neccesarry to cure it? if so, how do i do this?

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