thanks for all the advise guys... think I'm going to continue the manual removal as suggested and maybe up the water changes. (dont have stand big enough for refug:() One question though... we have 2 rocks that are Completely Covered, they are pretty small.. Should I just remove them and replace them (have plenty in our other tank) or try to clean those. Worried that these culprits are so covered that there will be millions of spores when I clean them.. left on the surface... may try the fox face or rabbitfish if this does not work in the end.. but not sure nemo wants to share any space in his little tank;)