Political Debates - Do not enter if you don't like flames

[brewercm]

You may have never said it, but these are the standard arguments from the left.

Kerry just scares me with his inability to make some sort of decision that makes since. It would be different if he just went from support to non-support, but that has not been the case. He's wandered all over in so many positions I really believe he lost track of where he is at times according to some of his statements. Now we have Koffee Annnan (excuse mispelling) basically coming out and calling the US outlaws for enforcing the resolutions that the U.N. passed and were not willing to back up. They really need to stick to foreign aid because their (UN) record as peacekeepers is dismal at best. This was really nothing more than his way of butting into American politics, he might as well have come out and stated his endorsment for John Kerry since he has proven he'd be nothing more than a UN puppet.

As far as the war not going as well as we should expect, stop listening to the main stream media and look elsewhere for news. My brother-in-law is there now and gets ****ed at the way it has been portrayed over here. Of course here lately they have stepped up their attempts to change elections here and get in the way of elections over there. Hard to fight an enemy that blends into the public and it will take many years to get there. This war in Iraq has so much more to do with than just Iraq. It is a strategic placement for us to be for years to come regardless of what we are told because the truth would not go over well. What would people have said if 60 years ago we said we'd still have people in Germany, Japan, Korea etc. It's a strategic placement of your forces into an area to at worst (Korea) cause a long term stale mate until they crumble and fall like the rest have under a system that will not, and has never worked (Communism/Socialism). If you don't believe this take a look at France. Whethere they have agreed with us or not on this war had little (some) to do with there contracts for oil with Iraq. What it had to do with was the fact that the Muslim population (radical) has slowly taken over France and right now makes up approximately 40 percent. Whether you'd like to believe this philosophy or not, they have been slowly infiltrated from within to the point that they can no longer stand up against them, as has many African countries. Start ****ing them off and they will start doing the same to you as Israel, you just have to become passive to their beliefs until you are forced to be submissive which is where France now finds themselves and I prefer never to be.

[Dozer]

Don't want to dredge up any old arguments here, but someone posted something on a message board at my work that I know some people here might be interested in and I wanted to share it. I considered starting another thread, but this one makes more sense (besides we might as well keep the politics in one spot :P )

Anyway, the links below are an absolute bombshell that will really affect the way many folks have thought about the Iraq War. (and right before the election to boot, kind of suspicious I must admit). I will say up front that I am not personally familiar with the media outlet that has the story right now, and would certainly not vouch for it. The point is that it will likely hit the more mainstream sources soon, and it will be a massive story. Either because it's true, or because someone will have to answer for where it came from if it is not true.

The thing that really strikes me is how crystal clear it is about Sadaam's Iraq specifically having and pursuing relationships with known terrorist organizations, for the admitted purpose of harming the United States- it even names Al-Qaeda specifically. It is very disturbing in it's bluntness. It is totally ****ing and very clear about the Al-Qaeda/terrorist ties to Sadaam/Iraq. Also, it outlines specific weapons of mass destruction that were being pursued and in some cases already possessed by Sadaam, which again would be a bombshell if it is true. It will be interesting to see what comes of this...

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialR...20041004a.html

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.a...20041004b.html