I think i'm going to try the new hurricone CAT 1. It has an Askoll model 1500 on it and I've read some really good things about that model # of askoll pumps. Octopus suppsidly redid the pumps and they have great motors supposidly and people that have used these skimmers said it works good. Its not a full cone but semi cone, and I cant complain its not at the price of a full cone either haha. The size is what im looking for to fit my stand and the price is about right for me at the moment. Hopefully this one willd o good for me. Thanks everyone!