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Thread: I think I'm in dinoflagellates hell !!! Need advice please

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    Exclamation I think I'm in dinoflagellates hell !!! Need advice please

    Last week I started to notice what I thought was a breakout of cyanobactertia. In a matter or a couple of days, all my corals started looking stressed out. I did a 30% water change along with syphoning the sandbed and changed my carbon filters. The next morning everything looked pretty good but a few days later, eveything looked worse again. The most hardiest of my corals, kyrotonite candy cane looked the worst. The flesh was just floating away and I thought for sure he was a goner. Now my frog spawn and hammer are not looking to hot and I can see the skeleton now from tissue loss on both. I did a coral dip (brightwell) to my candy canes and they are doing a lot better but still stressed. The hammer and frog-spawn, not so much.
    I started to research online today (google image) because I started to suspect this was not cyano, but something else. The algae has snot like consistency with bubbles now. This brought up a lot of info on dinoflagellates and this honestly l think is what is happening in my tank. Has anyone tried the H202 (hydrogen peroxide method by chance?
    I added a protein skimmer ( CPR bak pak) last night after my nephew found one for me. Lots of micro bubbles happening but I read this was normal.

    I could just use some help from anyone that can offer some good advice.
    I have a couple of pics right before it started getting bad.
    tank.jpgtank2.jpg

    Here is my current system/specs & water parameters

    46G Bow Front- 2 years running now
    Aqueon 75 filteration
    Ecotech vortech mp10
    LED 1 55 bulbs half white half blue
    CPR bak pak skimmer (recently added)

    Salinity 1.025
    PH 8.4
    nitrites 0
    nitrates < 10
    Ammonia 0
    KH 9
    78' temp

    live stock: Haven't added anything new in 3+ months
    2 perc clowns (mated)
    1 coral beauty
    1 yellow wasse
    50 lbs LR
    2 Rose Bubble Tip anemone (split about 2 months ago)
    30 head kryptonite candy cane
    1 6 head branching hammer
    2 head frog spawn
    1 small frag galaxy
    2 ricordea mushroom frags
    1 large toadstool 1 small
    different type of zoa colonys
    1 orange plate coral
    10 head Duncan coral
    2 brain corals
    1 fire shrimp
    1 peppermint shrimp
    a few of each on the cleanup crew..turbos, Nass snails, hermits

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    I agree that it does sound as you are going through a dinoflagellates outbreak. From the sounds of it, it has progressed quite rapidly and require immediate attention. I would continue to do water changes about 5% per day for about a week. Continue to use the protein skimmer and crank it up. I would also recommend utilizing GFO to contain and eliminate any algae in the tank. I would also crank up the MP 10 and have continued heavy flow in the tank to keep the algae from spreading. Keep softies out of direct flow but good water circulation is needed. I would also check parameters every other day, might be overdoing it but it's better to be safe than sorry. Looking back on your set up, I know from experience that if you keep a bag of carbon and don't clean it regularly, then it tends to do the complete opposite of what it's suppose to do. It becomes a magnet for excess waste to collect and cultivate. Having a reactor to store your carbon is a better choice allowing water flow to continuously tumble over the carbon and replace once a month or as needed. In a smaller tank, utilizing a dual reactor is a good choice with gfo and carbon tumbling around to keep your water crystal clear and free of algae. LMK if you need any additional advice or help. =)

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    When was the last time you changed your ro filters?
    happy reefing
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    I changed last Weds when I did the large water change. I usually replace both filters every 2-3 weeks. I also have a perigen bag running with the two filters

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    huh; no my friend the ro water that you use to make sw. carbon and prefilters before the membrane. Also the water is very cold. The filters work better at 77 degrees so I read.
    where do you get your ro water?
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    Are you seeing dinos on the corals? If they are not growing over the corals, I would suspect the dinos could be an indicator of the problem you are having, but the dinos are not actually causing the corals stress.

    Sherita has a documented thread using H202 on dinos. She had great success.
    -You had me at PWM

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    Oh duh, I read that ro ? wrong. LOL
    I actually use a filtered water station out in front of our LFS.
    A relative and also a few others that worked at LFS would not recommend their RO water. I know of a few employees that use this same water station for their personal tanks.

    Been using this same water for the 2 years I've had tank up.
    Last edited by nikkinchip; Mon, 21st Jan 2013 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Dumb auto correct on phone

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    I found a link to the water I use.

    http://www.watermillexpress.com/

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    Get one of them TDS meters. not much. You never know.
    happy reefing
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    I just read the Dino thread experiment you mention above and I say why not. I'm going to give it a shot.
    My tank looks no better this evening and my hammer looks worse

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