Deja Vu all over again... Old thread, same old MAAST controversy...

[Bill S]

Someone sent me a link to an old thread.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" George Sanayana

If you have a few minutes, you will see MANY parallels to MAAST today.

In memory of Big Kevin Glen

http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?53801-With-all-that-s-going-on&highlight=Platform
(http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?53801-With-all-that-s-going-on/page2&highlight=Platform)

[ramsey]

You're right, there are a lot of parallels. Mostly, people thinking there's some behind the scenes conspiracy and mass hysteria.

Seriously, what else are you referring to that you see as a parallel?

[ramsey]

Also:

"I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past"
--Thomas Jefferson

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet"
--Abraham Lincoln

Ok, the last one was added just for fun. :)

[350gt]

You're right, there are a lot of parallels. Mostly, people thinking there's some behind the scenes conspiracy and mass hysteria.

So will you admit that there is no secrecy behind closed doors?

[350gt]

Cause i know some of the bod were threatened about leaking info....

[allan]

Threatened, tony? What happens in the BoD area.., ask Chris, it's not an open forum.

[350gt]

Why should i ask chris? He isnt a bod member...

Yes threatened to be booted off

[Big_Pun]

Threatened, tony? What happens in the BoD area.., ask Chris, it's not an open forum.

it should be open, so everyone can see all the finger pointing that happens and the same bickering that happens on front pages. I'm speaking from my experience on bod when I served, but I'm sure it's still happening.

[allan]

it should be open, so everyone can see all the finger pointing that happens and the same bickering that happens on front pages. I'm speaking from my experience on bod when I served, but I'm sure it's still happening.

So do away with the front office where sensitive information may be discussed concerning individuals, sponsors, and so forth. Is that what you are advocating? Do away with that one area where the bod can vent their frustrations over the nitnoid issues and debate the various aspects of running the organization? Make that public? I think, even you, can agree that there are larger issues involved. How many bod meetings have you attended since they publicly made it open? I dare say you haven't made a single one.

[FireWater]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. I would tell you to step up, Chris although I know you'll just have an excuse as to why you don't.

[Big_Pun]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. I would tell you to step up, Chris although I know you'll just have an excuse as to why you don't.

been told no all ready, I asked directly

[Big_Pun]

So do away with the front office where sensitive information may be discussed concerning individuals, sponsors, and so forth. Is that what you are advocating? Do away with that one area where the bod can vent their frustrations over the nitnoid issues and debate the various aspects of running the organization? Make that public? I think, even you, can agree that there are larger issues involved. How many bod meetings have you attended since they publicly made it open? I dare say you haven't made a single one.


it's a fish club not some super influential entity

[allan]

And sometimes I wonder if you know the difference. I stand by my question above, and if I remember correctly, on those rare occasions where you participated on the bod, you never advocated making the forum open.

Bottom line? It's not important, nor is it required. As John said, you've an interest, run for the bod. That really goes for all of the membership. You charter to see certain areas, you mod up to see other areas, you bod up to see other areas. Although I would hope that your interest is more than general curiosity.

[Big_Pun]

And sometimes I wonder if you know the difference. I stand by my question above, and if I remember correctly, on those rare occasions where you participated on the bod, you never advocated making the forum open..

I changed my mind after seeing the same issues the last few years, which is why bill started this thread

[allan]

Understandable.

I still maintain that opening visibility of those areas is both insignificant and unwarranted. I would place more weight to your request if you were indeed sitting in on the open bod meetings.

[allan]

Why should i ask chris? He isnt a bod member...

Yes threatened to be booted off

Tony, a few years ago Chris served on the bod. It's not a widely known fact, but it is nonetheless public information. I suggested that he be asked as he has (had) first hand knowledge concerning the processes and practices of the BoD.

[Big_Pun]

Tony, a few years ago Chris served on the bod. It's not a widely known fact, but it is nonetheless public information. I suggested that he be asked as he has (had) first hand knowledge concerning the processes and practices of the BoD.

and forced out because I worked for elegant reef and gabes, but people don't know that as it's a closed forum.

[jcnkt_ellis]

If I read that old thread correctly and the rules haven't been changed, then there is no need to make the forums public as anyone who shows up to a regular monthly meeting should be able to request temporary access to them in order to audit and review.

I would love to volunteer in a more official way but my career calls for long hours with very little time off.

What I have seen consistently over the last few threads is people putting too much emphasis on my background to support their position and others putting too much emphasis on how they "think" or "want" to interpret the rules in place. Contract interpretation is one of the few areas of law where everything is black and white with no shades of gray in between. Enforce the rules in that manner and if we don't like it we can call for a vote to change them.

[Scutterborn]

and forced out because I worked for elegant reef and gabes, but people don't know that as it's a closed forum.

I can't speak for the "forced out" portion. I am not aware of what happened. I can say this. Our governing body needs a level of impartiality to effectively view all arguments brought before us. That should be SOP.


-Ben-

[allan]

Oh, no, people know. You've mentioned it a time or two.

For the record, folks who are employed by a sponsor can't serve on the bod. I believe that was published in the open bod meeting notes, the vote and everything else.

I actually remembering your last post to the bod that explained why you decided not to run for reelection, and it pertained more to your added workload in school because you got into A&M (congratulations btw) and a few other things. Nothing about being forced out, though.

Hmm

Either way, it's really not a concern to those that are here for the hobby. Those who want to play a constructive part of the organization are welcome to run or apply for a mod position.

[Big_Pun]

Tony, a few years ago Chris served on the bod. It's not a widely known fact.




you made it seem like no knew i was bod so how would they. well anytime any discussion came up in bod I was told my opinion didn't hold ground as my relationship with shop owners

[allan]

I did no such thing, Chris.

I asked tony to ask you about the inner workings of the bod, and he said "why, he's not bod". I merely pointed out that you were indeed on the board a few years ago.

Then you stated that you were forced out, to which I scratched my rapidly balding head, as I don't remember it quite that way at all.

So... I elaborated for the group. Trust me, there are a lot of ex bod members on here, we don't get a "been there, done that" sticker on our membership card.

As far as the actual conversations in which you were told that, can't comment as I didn't bother to read everything.

I do, actually, pay attention when you speak. Half to 75% time you make a lot of sense, but there are those times that you don't. Telling us you were forced off is one of those times. It doesn't ring true.

[Mike]

Drama drama drama... Worse than the soaps around here.

Lest we forget, this is just a frickin fish club.

I try not to say anything anymore, just tired of the drama. Our BOD members volunteer and are voted in by us. There is no other requirements, other than a desire to serve the club and help. These are just normal people with lives if their own, donating their time and energy in trying to help and support the club and hobby. They are not attorneys, litigators, or contract makers and are just trying to step up and do the best they can. That is why they volunteer. If anyone thinks they can do better or even help contribute, please feel free to run for BOD. At this point, MAAST can use the positive support to counteract all the negative energy being thrown around.

Sorry to rant, just frustrated... I am now back off my soap box. Happy reefing!

[grouch]

Ditto Mike, well said I think there are a lot of us mature members tired of the drama.


Drama drama drama... Worse than the soaps around here.

Lest we forget, this is just a frickin fish club.

I try not to say anything anymore, just tired of the drama. Our BOD members volunteer and are voted in by us. There is no other requirements, other than a desire to serve the club and help. These are just normal people with lives if their own, donating their time and energy in trying to help and support the club and hobby. They are not attorneys, litigators, or contract makers and are just trying to step up and do the best they can. That is why they volunteer. If anyone thinks they can do better or even help contribute, please feel free to run for BOD. At this point, MAAST can use the positive support to counteract all the negative energy being thrown around.

Sorry to rant, just frustrated... I am now back off my soap box. Happy reefing!

[Joe31]

My wife likes General Hospital and I like MAAST there almost the same. LOL SWEEEET!!!

[BBQHILLBILLY]

Yes but General Hospital is in HD! o yea

[Big_Pun]

My wife likes General Hospital and I like MAAST there almost the same. LOL SWEEEET!!!

liar I called you other and you couldn't hang out cause you had to catch up on general hospital on the DVR

[Joe31]

liar I called you other and you couldn't hang out cause you had to catch up on general hospital on the DVR

LOL You know it!!!

[Flyride95]

Lmao I hate General Hospital, just as bad as I hate all this drama around here.


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[350gt]

My wife likes General Hospital and I like MAAST there almost the same. LOL SWEEEET!!!

Lol i told my wife, its like teen mom but better....

I hate that show btw, but when i pass the tv while she is watching I have to do my best to keep walking.... Or else im right in the middle of it... Lol

[grouch]

Mass case of Attention Deficit Disorder here.

[350gt]

Mass case of Attention Deficit Disorder here.

Might want to get that checked out.. :)

[grouch]

350 do you really think your comments are funny or cute ???? Grow up will you.

[350gt]

350 do you really think your comments are funny or cute ???? Grow up will you.

I dont really care what you think about my comments...

They are mine and we are entitled to our own, aren't we?

Grow up? To be over sensitive like a few on this site? No thanks....

[350gt]

Mass case of Attention Deficit Disorder here.

Accusing some of having a disorder isn't really "grown up" btw.

Its a real disorder that I'm sure a few members might have a family member or relative with.... And isnt really "cute"..

[koa25]

Well we can apparently toss around the topic of rape with no regard to others. So why not disorders. Just try to keep it civil.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/17/unysa5uv.jpg

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[350gt]

Rape??? Wth! Lol

What thread is that?

And of course i was being sarcastic.....

Im all in for any topic.... Just wont be a hypocrite ;)

[txav8r]

Let's all take a step back. Please guys. Give it a rest at least for tonight.

[grouch]

My referral to ADD was just an observation how just about every thread out here gets off subject anymore and you always got somethin' to say and I respect that but I really don't care for it because I would rather see intelligent discussion which I am sure your are probably capable of when you want to. I don't get on much anymore and I really don't post much because it really isn't worth it to see smartt A#s comments all the time. Yeah and btw I have family members with ADD do you ? I'm just saying it's a freakin' fish club so please don't get on here and try to be 'cute' by belittling other members all the time, that's not the way you would like to be treated is it. And no I am not sensitive to what you say to me I could care less I raised my kids and you can't come close to them at all. I joined MAAST cause I thought it was a good group of people with a common interest and at the time it seemed to me everybody pretty much respected everybody and got along. If you guys don't like the BOD decisions then run for office next time and be a leader of MAAST. For now we have our BOD and weather you like their decisions or not that's the way it is. Just my .02

[koa25]

Apologies for my small sucker punch. But yes, it was in another thread. I'm sure you can search it if you feel compelled. Trying to move past it.

[Big_Pun]

hey I have adult add but I still think tony is funny and his comments are harmless

[350gt]

Apologies for my small sucker punch. But yes, it was in another thread. I'm sure you can search it if you feel compelled. Trying to move past it.

Ive been trying to avoid the other threads...... For good reason... Lol

[koa25]

"Adult" ADD. Come on now Chris, be honest. You're still a big kid.

[grouch]

Sorry Jack I was typing when you posted. I've said my peace that's it...

[koa25]

Ive been trying to avoid the other threads...... For good reason... Lol
Probably a good call. I ran out of Tylenol last night. May have to do a run tonight.

[350gt]

hey I have adult add but I still think tony is funny and his comments are harmless

This is the web and its filled with stuff that can stress anyone out.... We are free to say what we want and when we want(within the guidelines ;) )

I dont think i belittle ppl but i do question authority a lot of the time.... And i understand those are the ppl that sometimes feel like i am a problem... For what questioning how we are being policed, last time i checked this was a free country.. But i dont argue when i have made a mistake, ask jack or ramsey as they have PMed me in the past and i apologized...

I offer plenty of other advice and other stuff that gets over looked.... But i'm not looking for recognition for it.... Just questioning where are all these ppl that have problems with us on this site, that only pop up in threads like this....

[jrsatx20]

If anyone thinks they can do better or even help contribute, please feel free to run for BOD. At this point, MAAST can use the positive support to counteract all the negative energy being thrown around.

Happy reefing!

for the record Mike i have stepped up to be in the line of fire. but it has been pushed to the back burner. im sure the bod will get to it in due time.

[350gt]

"Adult" ADD. Come on now Chris, be honest. You're still a big kid.

To say the least ;)

[txav8r]

Sorry Jack I was typing when you posted. I've said my peace that's it...

Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated.

I'm hoping the rest will follow suit.
Guys? Please?

[350gt]

Lol sorry dude....

Guess i will go play video games.... I mean, read a book ;)

[txav8r]

Lol sorry dude....

Guess i will go play video games.... I mean, read a book ;)

And I thank you, Sir.

[koa25]

[QUOTE=txav8r;958And I thank you, Sir.[/QUOTE]
I never agreed to any of this! Muhahaha!... Yeah, I'm good.

What you playing Tony? Er, reading?

[350gt]

This good book "call of duty ghosts"

Well its okay, not great but takes my mind off things lol

[Zack]

Tony, did you ever get the xbox one? I know your a big fan of xbox, curious if you got it how much you like it. Been thinking of jumping into the next generation but not sure which to go with.

[koa25]

I've been on a titanfall kick lately. This game is awesome. I love the physics of the game and the transfer between mech and free run is great.

[350gt]

Yes i bought the one....

I play my 360 more still..

Its a great system but not alot out for it or the ps4.. Graphics are a tad better in cod or any of the sports games but look amazing with ryse...

Sound has been improved.. Most games are now read in DTS by the receiver in my theater...

Just looking forward to whats new, cause as it is rignt now, its not worth it unless you have no system or have money burning a hole in your pocket..

[350gt]

Haven't tried titanfall yet.. Heard mixed reviews..

[Zack]

Yes i bought the one....

I play my 360 more still..

Its a great system but not alot out for it or the ps4.. Graphics are a tad better in cod or any of the sports games but look amazing with ryse...

Sound has been improved.. Most games are now read in DTS by the receiver in my theater...

Just looking forward to whats new, cause as it is rignt now, its not worth it unless you have no system or have money burning a hole in your pocket..
True true, the one thing that irks me about titan fall is the lack of a nice single player, but then again I do understand where the developers came from. And that's cool, I held the controllers for both the other day and played for a few minutes at best buy, I couldn't get over how awkward the ps3 controller felt on the thumb sticks.. it felt like sweat kept pooling in there and I'm not one with sweaty palms and I cleaned it off a few times but kept loosing my grip on it.

[350gt]

Funny thing is, i hate microsoft and i love the xbox... Lol

I was a huge sony ps2 fanboy and bought the 360 on release cause it was the last one on the shelves.... Ive been hooked since.... I have a ps3 but its a paper weight, microsoft has the better exclusives imo or for my taste..... So i might not scoop up a ps4... Who knows.

[jrsatx20]

wanna sell the ps3

[350gt]

No its the og 60gig backwards compatible

[rrasco]

Titanfall rocks, basically a COD with mechs and Crackdown like jumping around. No true campaign, but I always jump right into MP anyways so that doesn't matter to me.

XO needs more games. I like it, but have not even used the Kinect since they don't sell an extension cord yet...even after 6 months... Ryse was awesome, but re-playability just isn't there so it's kind of a one and done. MP was a joke on there.

My PS3 is also a paperweight, the only game I ever bought and played on it was God of War.

[allan]

Titanfall, that brings up some fond memories. I believe I was in Iraq when we successfully put a probe on Titan. It's got a dense atmosphere, and rivers and lakes.

[350gt]

Titanfall, that brings up some fond memories. I believe I was in Iraq when we successfully put a probe on Titan. It's got a dense atmosphere, and rivers and lakes.

Did u frolic in the meadows?

[allan]

Did u frolic in the meadows?

If I did... I would be Awe-Some!