NEW PAR METER?

[350gt]

Would any charter member be interested in pitching in to get the LI core 192 meter?

http://www.licor.com/env/products/light/underwater_sensors/?form=0


its supposed to be accurate in reading leds and it can be seen here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1PYQ9buKY



I sent a request for a quote.... so lets see how much it is in the first place...


I am also hoping louis would be cool on storing it in shop for charter use only.....

[EpicWin]

I've found my apogee to be quite accurate as well.

[Big_Pun]

I've found my apogee to be quite accurate as well.

with LEDs it's off by up to 20-30%

[350gt]

Me saltwater said up to 35%

[350gt]

I've found my apogee to be quite accurate as well.


Thats fine, if you have your own... You don't need to help us buy another for group use....


this is for those of us with LEDs that would like accurate readings..

[MadReefer]

with LEDs it's off by up to 20-30%
indeed. i have the origional apogee sensor on my fluke meter. it is Way off on reading the blue end of spectrum. licor makes 10 times the sensor that apogee does. i got a quote of 350 for sensor alone iirc. maybe it was more. actually i put in a good debate against apogee's "accuracy test" they had a few years back. they responded to me about 6 months ago.

Hot debate: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2026822
and another one =): http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/7/review

kerreefer and jameskotara at your debate needs =)

[jrossjr79]

let me know how much it is

[alton]

I think comparing these two meters is like comparing a VW beetle to a ZO6 on race day? Or in fish terms a K4 to a MP10. One cost about 3 times more so of course it is much more accurate. The biggest benefit to having a meter is checking when your PAR levels start to drop so you can adjust your controller or change lamps after a 10% decline. On my Radiums with three lamps I have had them last 12 months, 16 months, and over 20 months. If I would of changed all three lamps out at 12 months, look at the money I would of wasted. It doesn't take long for a meter to pay for itself. Hopefully the pricing on the Licor has come down but several years ago they were over $1K. Most of the claims on PAR meters not measuring LEDs correctly came a couple years ago, todays LEDs do very well on PAR measurement, even though some are turned down to 50%, they are still showing 150-200 on the sand. I can't remember who had the post showing there levels from there LED? (RASCO maybe?)

[MadReefer]

yeah if you can take account % loss at 460nm down to 420nm, you can make a fair approach on how your par is. and of course if i was reading 50 par and growing sps with no big deal, then i could safely say that i could keep that number as reference to when i needed to change bulbs out. i'd Love to test my sensor against a licor on some led's just to see the diference.

[allan]

I desperately want to measure my PAR in the tank.... right now I use SPS and LPS to measure PAR, but that's not a number. Almost like a color chart.

[Big_Pun]

did you request a quote for the meter, sold separately !

[Big_Pun]

found this July 2005

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/7/review


I paid $1,100 for the Li-Cor LI-189 quantum meter, underwater cable (3 meters in length), LI-192SA sensor, and nylon carrying case in 1995.

[jcnkt_ellis]

Okay, so in today's dollars figuring a 1.9% rate of inflation (heard that on the news recently) the cost in present dollars is $1543.58, if I did the math right.

[alton]

Okay, so in today's dollars figuring a 1.9% rate of inflation (heard that on the news recently) the cost in present dollars is $1543.58, if I did the math right.

Or it is made in China today like Fluke Meters and it cost exactly the same?

[rrasco]

It wasn't me who had numbers posted. I've had the PAR meter at my house once when someone was nice enough to bring it over, but that was before I put optics on my LEDs and my numbers were horrible. Like ~50-80 in the sand, but I grow SPS down there now so I know it's more than that now. I was thinking of buying my own meter since I need to use it all the time. You can just buy the apogee sensor and use a decent meter to get the number, I believe you just multiply the reading by 5 to get your PAR. Apogee will tell you the same, their meter is essentially $200.

[350gt]

Would like a accurate reading.....


not something that you have to estimate...

[FireWater]

Math is fun Tony.

Let me know when you get some pricing together. I will chip in as long as it isn't my sons college fund kind of price.

[rrasco]

The apogee you always have to estimate, because of it's inability to read blue wavelengths. Their meter does the same thing as they say to do with your own meter, multiply the reading by 5. All sensors do is take a measurement of something: electric conductivity, photons in the water, etc. Then they do some calculations to arrive at a value. This is true for salinity, temperature, pH, ORP, etc.

[Big_Pun]

The apogee you always have to estimate, because of it's inability to read blue wavelengths. Their meter does the same thing as they say to do with your own meter, multiply the reading by 5. All sensors do is take a measurement of something: electric conductivity, photons in the water, etc. Then they do some calculations to arrive at a value. This is true for salinity, temperature, pH, ORP, etc.
well then you cant use our new toy!!! lol

[350gt]

The apogee you always have to estimate, because of it's inability to read blue wavelengths. Their meter does the same thing as they say to do with your own meter, multiply the reading by 5. All sensors do is take a measurement of something: electric conductivity, photons in the water, etc. Then they do some calculations to arrive at a value. This is true for salinity, temperature, pH, ORP, etc.



I sorta get what you mean.... but like I said. i just want something that works and I can just read and leave all the calculating to you..... lol

[350gt]

OKAy so I got a Price quote......

and IMO this might be too expensive for maast peeps...lol

the 192 sensor $700
the cable $360-950 depending on length
LI 250a meter $695

$1755 before any taxes or shipping and with the shortest length cable...

[Big_Pun]

:what_smile:

[allan]

...yeaaaaaaahhhhhh.... math is sounding better now, huh? :)

[350gt]

Yes sir...


I guess like everything else in life, you get what you pay for...


guess it costs to be accurate..

[rrasco]

The cable is $360-950? Hahaha....it can't be THAT special. We could all buy our own Apogee for that price.

[350gt]

The cable is $360-950? Hahaha....it can't be THAT special. We could all buy our own Apogee for that price.


let me guess, you can build one?

[rrasco]

Well...people have built a 'good enough PAR meter' based on the atmega328, and I believe it was around $30-40 to build. Not sure I am going to go that route, but it would be cool to build one and have a side by side comparison of the numbers from an apogee, or even a higher end one.

Also, like I said though, you can get the apogee sensor, ~$150, and hook it up to a $20 volt meter and get the same PAR numbers the apogee meter would show, their meter just takes the reading * 5 and displays it. You would take the displayed value and multiply by 5 to get your value. They would both be off by the estimated 20% because of the blues. This is information apogee will tell you if you call them.

[Big_Pun]

Well...people have built a 'good enough PAR meter' based on the atmega328, and I believe it was around $30-40 to build. Not sure I am going to go that route, but it would be cool to build one and have a side by side comparison of the numbers from an apogee, or even a higher end one.

Also, like I said though, you can get the apogee sensor, ~$150, and hook it up to a $20 volt meter and get the same PAR numbers the apogee meter would show, their meter just takes the reading * 5 and displays it. You would take the displayed value and multiply by 5 to get your value. They would both be off by the estimated 20% because of the blues. This is information apogee will tell you if you call them.


:zzz:

[350gt]

:innocent2:

[rrasco]

:zzz:

Or I'll just keep all my knowledge to myself and let everyone figure it out on their own. At one point, someone had to do the legwork to design all that fancy gear you use. It doesn't create itself. I can't help you if you are not willing to learn.

[Big_Pun]

Or I'll just keep all my knowledge to myself and let everyone figure it out on their own. At one point, someone had to do the legwork to design all that fancy gear you use. It doesn't create itself. I can't help you if you are not willing to learn.
just a joke, but this thread was started to see interest in purchasing it not a debate. but we do like debating !

[BBQHILLBILLY]

rrasco thats good info. they want the taco but they dont want to make it.:bigsmile:

[FireWater]

Chris, you try to spread your knowledge everywhere. If Robert knows what he's talking about then wouldn't it be a viable option to listen and not pay $1800 for a meter? We may be able to figure out a cost effective accurate solution for all involved,

[350gt]

just a joke, but this thread was started to see interest in purchasing it not a debate. but we do like debating !



No kidding this thread got jacked by debates instead of just posting if your willing to pitch in...


if you didn't want to pitch in, should of kept your trap shut...

[FireWater]

Not sure about not wanting to make the taco but, if there's a ready made taco that doesn't involve me cooking all day then I'm going to eat it.

I am however interested in learning why things work.

[350gt]

rrasco thats good info. they want the taco but they dont want to make it.:bigsmile:


Believe me if I want it, I will get it.........

[350gt]

Not sure about not wanting to make the taco but, if there's a ready made taco that doesn't involve me cooking all day then I'm going to eat it.

I am however interested in learning why things work.



Yes but your talking to 2 who prefer to save a few pennies on DIY that looks like ***....

[Big_Pun]

Chris, you try to spread your knowledge everywhere. If Robert knows what he's talking about then wouldn't it be a viable option to listen and not pay $1800 for a meter? We may be able to figure out a cost effective accurate solution for all involved,
umm comparing a diy meter or less accurate one is not the point or option we(tony) wanted. we wanted a lab grade meter that is certified with no guess work to get accurate numbers on our fixtures. sorry if spending money on quality equipment offends people

[350gt]

It don't offend them....


its just absurd that we can throw money away on quality equipment..

[FireWater]

Understood. To each their own.

Have you found any other options for other meters Tony? Or is this one it?
I'm still interested, just not sure about swinging that cost.

[350gt]

I will continue to look but I doubt it.

[Big_Pun]

mmm someone say tacos! im hungry i need a snickers before i get all diva

[350gt]

I do have a few G's left over from my bike....... Hmmm...

[FireWater]

Eat a couple. We know how how you are when you get Diva.

[350gt]

mmm someone say tacos! im hungry i need a snickers before i get all diva



No snickers fool, your on a mission!!!


But yes why they have to being up tacos? Make all us messicans hungry....

[350gt]

Some might say bringing up tacos was a racist jab though....


i know BBQ isn't getting racist on me.....

[Big_Pun]

No snickers fool, your on a mission!!!


But yes why they have to being up tacos? Make all us messicans hungry....
umm nutragrain bar ok ? lol

[rrasco]

I'm not debating anything, I'm telling you how stuff works, and if you are not interested in knowing the details then I will save my breathe. I took the time to explain something because I thought people would like to know the finer details and options for PAR meters, but when you reply with a single emoticon with 'ZZZ', you are calling my statement boring which illustrates to me you are not interested in thinking about stuff or learning.

You know, not all DIY stuff has to look like it was DIY. You can put as much or as little as you want into it, that's the beauty of doing something yourself. If you refuse to put any effort into it, then it will may very well look like crap. When Tuan saw my LED fixtures he asked of they were the Ecoray 60D.

Buy whatever you want, it doesn't affect me, but there are plenty of people who are interested in saving money or just building stuff for customization. Y'all are not the only people on this board.

[350gt]

:zzz:

[350gt]

Lighten up dude.... It's a forum

[Big_Pun]

Buy whatever you want, it doesn't affect me, but there are plenty of people who are interested in saving money or just building stuff for customization. Y'all are not the only people on this board.
we are the most fun though, you cant deny that! but seriously i forget your not in out lil group of "smart butts" and may take our comments to heart. it was just a lil smiley face, wasn't debunking your knowledge.

[rrasco]

If you actually knew me, you would know I am one of the most laid back care free people you will meet, but when I try to help and am met with resentment it's pretty annoying. Especially when time and time again it's the same people telling me DIY look like crap and that we are just being cheap by wanting to build stuff. I DIY everything because I enjoy the experience and I get satisfaction out of it.

Just FYI, there is also a reason most forums don't allow single smiley posts, because they contribute no substance and are hard to interpret without context.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

I have to admit I am guilty of buying tacos too:bigsmile:Knowing is better than not knowing. You can buy bad tacos too.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. quoted from the matrix:bigsmile:most folk dont know what current is, and thats fine, thats ok.
But when someone shares info, that you have not heard, dont close the door. In fact embrace the knowledge.

[350gt]

Maybe I should post on how to keep clean sand beds.....

[BBQHILLBILLY]

I want a par meter too. I have T5s over the dsa65 and the LEDs over the 240. for sure need to get my hands on a par meter.

[350gt]

there is also a reason most forums don't allow single smiley posts, because they contribute no substance and are hard to interpret without context.


YOur only a mod, not a dictator....

[FireWater]

Actually he is not a mod. He's a Board Member.

[Zack]

Let's get this back on track guys.

[Big_Pun]

Actually he is not a mod. He's a Board Member.

same smell

[350gt]

Let's get this back on track guys.


Its all good... I don't take the forum personal, afterall it's a forum... The world is filled with opinions and we come here for others. Not to get upset..... Especially over a icon.

It's all good though. I am still not "annoyed" or upset....


Lol I didn't even take offense to Shane's taco reference..... I really like tacos!

[Zack]

Yes, but for those that are interested in maybe pitching in for this, it is a distraction.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

:bigsmile:

[Big_Pun]

im still interested in getting one.....

[350gt]

I would throw in as well...

[alton]

Three pages of garbage and no answers on how to get one?

1. Have a MAAST Breakfast Taco sale
2. MAAST Carwash with the guys wearing MAAST Sponsored Speedos
3. Never mind I was out of my mind, scratch number 2 and Insert BBQ plates

[rrasco]

Only if the tacos are quality and $150 each.

[Big_Pun]

Only if the tacos are quality and $150 each.
i can make a 150 dollar taco cheaper, im down for speedo carwash

[350gt]

Three pages of garbage and no answers on how to get one?

1. Have a MAAST Breakfast Taco sale
2. MAAST Carwash with the guys wearing MAAST Sponsored Speedos
3. Never mind I was out of my mind, scratch number 2 and Insert BBQ plates


#2 was awesome IMO....

[350gt]

i can make a 150 dollar taco cheaper, im down for speedo carwash


you got wheels...... Get more tips that way

[350gt]

Only if the tacos are quality and $150 each.




All we know is quality ::no icon::

[FireWater]

And yet another page of garbage.

Are you going to keep a record of who all wants to chip in? And how are we going to split it up because I don't want to go looking for it if I need it?

[350gt]

John I honestly doubt it's going to happen....

too expensive.... I would be willing to chip in $100 but I doubt anyone else would.

[alton]

I am going to throw out a dumb question but what would you be willing to pay for a service call and a 1/2 an hour max of testing? $75? Or a service contract of $100 a year and this includes two trips.

[MadReefer]

It wasn't me who had numbers posted. I've had the PAR meter at my house once when someone was nice enough to bring it over, but that was before I put optics on my LEDs and my numbers were horrible. Like ~50-80 in the sand, but I grow SPS down there now so I know it's more than that now. I was thinking of buying my own meter since I need to use it all the time. You can just buy the apogee sensor and use a decent meter to get the number, I believe you just multiply the reading by 5 to get your PAR. Apogee will tell you the same, their meter is essentially $200.

1mvDC = 5 par

- btw about 6 months ago apogee said they improved the diodes to acurately measure the lower range. the only way to know is look at the chart they have and watch the falloff on the diode's range in nm

[MadReefer]

let me guess, you can build one?

i could.

[The_wolfeman]

So..... Tacos it is!!!!!! :bigsmile: Who's in?

[The_wolfeman]

Wait...that was the debate right?? :confused:

[350gt]

Wait...that was the debate right?? :confused:


started out as a simple yes or no type deal, but turned into a mess....lol


Its all good, thing is to pricey anyway.....

maybe Madreefer can build us a alternative but then how will we know its accurate......? guess maybe thats why the LI CORE price is so high.... With Quality components some of the steep price is due to the research and development...

[The_wolfeman]

started out as a simple yes or no type deal, but turned into a mess....lol


Its all good, thing is to pricey anyway.....

maybe Madreefer can build us a alternative but then how will we know its accurate......? guess maybe thats why the LI CORE price is so high.... With Quality components some of the steep price is due to the research and development...

some people get into hobbies they can't afford which is why the DIY stuff! Sad day, these are our pets and should be treated in that manor. I'm should you wouldn't DIY a cast for your dogs broken leg so why cheap out on your fish?? If it was your kids I'm sure they wouldn't DIY clothes and shoes because they "enjoy" it.

[Big_Pun]

started out as a simple yes or no type deal, but turned into a mess....lol


Its all good, thing is to pricey anyway.....

maybe Madreefer can build us a alternative but then how will we know its accurate......? guess maybe thats why the LI CORE price is so high.... With Quality components some of the steep price is due to the research and development...

you pay for the guarantee that the product will work correctly or you get your money back or replaced. look at ph probes the scientific grade ones cost more and ive used both the better one hardly needs to be adjusted.

[350gt]

::no icon::

[The_wolfeman]

you pay for the guarantee that the product will work correctly or you get your money back or replaced. look at ph probes the scientific grade ones cost more and ive used both the better one hardly needs to be adjusted.

Finally something worth reading!!!! Glad I'm not the only who feels that way.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

If you can build your own house, build it. If you can drop an engine in a car, do it. If you can build an LED fixture, do it. If you can build a par meter, do it.
The sharing of knowledge is to bring us all together for a common goal and not to separate. On other note, if you can buy everything straight up, do it.:bigsmile:

[Big_Pun]

If you can build your own house, build it. If you can drop an engine in a car, do it. If you can build an LED fixture, do it. If you can build a par meter, do it.
The sharing of knowledge is to bring us all together for a common goal and not to separate. On other note, if you can buy everything straight up, do it.:bigsmile:

as long as its exactly the same the one i can buy or i can build it better,that works. but i dont think anyone here has the capability of build a scientific grade PAR meter is what we are saying

[The_wolfeman]

Don't you think it's best left to professionals?

i mean honestly how many times have you started a DIY project and messed up and started again or had to buy more materials and end up paying equal if not more then buying it out right, on top of not having a warranty. There's a reason companies pay people millions of dollars to build things and sell them to the consumer. If your all about DIY go Amish.

[The_wolfeman]

as long as its exactly the same the one i can buy or i can build it better,that works. but i dont think anyone here has the capability of build a scientific grade PAR meter is what we are saying

+1 if they could they would've already

[rrasco]

some people get into hobbies they can't afford which is why the DIY stuff! Sad day, these are our pets and should be treated in that manor. I'm should you wouldn't DIY a cast for your dogs broken leg so why cheap out on your fish?? If it was your kids I'm sure they wouldn't DIY clothes and shoes because they "enjoy" it.

That's a big assumption. If you are capable, why not? Don't insult people because they choose to do something different than the way you would. I work on my house and vehicles because I am capable. Does that mean I can't afford to have someone else do it? Of course not. It's an option available to me that I chose because it suits me and my situation best.


as long as its exactly the same the one i can buy or i can build it better,that works. but i dont think anyone here has the capability of build a scientific grade PAR meter is what we are saying

If you had the parts and knowledge available, you most certainly can. Am I saying I want to? No, just noting that it is possible. However, in some situations, it does just make more sense to buy stuff because of the R&D, not to mention manufacturers can save cost by purchasing materials in bulk or having custom housings, probes, etc manufactured. And sometimes those parts are not available either.

[MadReefer]

actually i have the money to buy but i have the brains to design, build, what ever. its choice. choice brings no validity for debate. i smell RC all over again. great work guys.

[Zack]

actually i have the money to buy but i have the brains to design, build, what ever. its choice. choice brings no validity for debate. i smell RC all over again. great work guys.

+1.

This is how I feel every time a thread gets de-railed by a "reef mafia" argument

20119

[The_wolfeman]

That's a big assumption. If you are capable, why not? Don't insult people because they choose to do something different than the way you would. I work on my house and vehicles because I am capable. Does that mean I can't afford to have someone else do it? Of course not. It's an option available to me that I chose because it suits me and my situation best.


No assumptions, first hand knowledge. I deal with people all the time telling me how they want to DIY because they can't afford to buy retail. Now if your implying I was rendering to you directly that's a mistake. Sounds more of a guilty conscience to me. It was a general address and you took it personally.

[The_wolfeman]

+1.

This is how I feel every time a thread gets de-railed by a "reef mafia" argument

20119

Where is the argument? As soon as I post my opinion after everyone else has and they take offense to it automatically turns it into an argument? Pretty immature if you ask me. I thought that's what a forum was, people collectively submitting opinions about subjects for others to read and take from as they choose. But then again the is MAAST. There's a reason you don't like RC. Look at all the build threads everyone who does DIY gets high praise but the minute someone posts a setup that was completely store bought its a ghost town. See anything wrong with that picture?

[BBQHILLBILLY]

It thinks its great that somebody would want to take the time to build something, for whatever reason. Once wisdom has been learned, you realized you saved a grand for the same thing. Now go to the beach and do some fishing with that moola.:bigsmile:and bring some pics back.

[Zack]

Maybe not an argument, but junk posts like these that de-rail a potential great opportunity for MAAST:


:zzz:


:innocent2:


It don't offend them....


its just absurd that we can throw money away on quality equipment..


Maybe I should post on how to keep clean sand beds.....


YOur only a mod, not a dictator....


same smell

[Big_Pun]

Maybe not an argument, but junk posts like these that de-rail a potential great opportunity for MAAST:
really and his post that had nothing to do with buying the product, which was the intent of the thread where not junk???

[Big_Pun]

actually i have the money to buy but i have the brains to design, build, what ever. its choice. choice brings no validity for debate. i smell RC all over again. great work guys.
no one is getting banned you can keep your opinions coming, and i know tony wont ask for everyones post to be delted as some people like to do. i would like to see someone build this then ........... build and prove it works and ill buy one!

[350gt]

+1.

This is how I feel every time a thread gets de-railed by a "reef mafia" argument

20119


i was going to stay out of this.....


but this was my thread and it wasn't derailed by any of us....

[MadReefer]

It thinks its great that somebody would want to take the time to build something, for whatever reason. Once wisdom has been learned, you realized you saved a grand for the same thing. Now go to the beach and do some fishing with that moola.:bigsmile:and bring some pics back.

with the money i saved by switching to DiY, i bought a nice little 308 =D

[Zack]

I'd say no, because they were about alternatives to dropping over a grand on a PAR meter. The purpose of the maast par meter that you have asked people to consider pitching in to, should have opinions from both the side of lab grade, and DIY meters, especially if more than one person is putting in on it.

These posts were related to other options, and comparing results. Sure the "taco and car wash posts" were distracting but they served a purpose to lighten the conversation.

The posts had actual content, instead of emoticons and shots at other members.

[350gt]

Maybe not an argument, but junk posts like these that de-rail a potential great opportunity for MAAST:


Like I said, MY THREAD.... Don't like, don't look...

[MadReefer]

i was going to stay out of this.....


but this was my thread and it wasn't derailed by any of us....

what was this thread about again?

[350gt]

@nanoreefer

I have posted many other threads that never get a post....


Why here???..... Hmmmm... Must like to run ur little mouth when u can..

[Big_Pun]

+1.

This is how I feel every time a thread gets de-railed by a "reef mafia" argument

20119

i believe we where trying to buy something nice for charters to use as Tony stated but people start posting and firing up a debate. yup i could of not replied but im tired of it, everytime we post up something "nice" we get the i can build it. starts to seem like he is the one ridiculing us for spending money after a while. he may fell picked on but hey he put himself out there as i do also, so i know someone will have something retort with. but i wont say im being picked on i bring it on myself.

[The_wolfeman]

Maybe not an argument, but junk posts like these that de-rail a potential great opportunity for MAAST:

The whole point of this thread was to get people to pitch in for a more accurate meter. Not to have someone post about how DIY is cheaper. So tell me who exactly derailed this thread

[Big_Pun]

Would any charter member be interested in pitching in to get the LI core 192 meter?

http://www.licor.com/env/products/light/underwater_sensors/?form=0


its supposed to be accurate in reading leds and it can be seen here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob1PYQ9buKY



I sent a request for a quote.... so lets see how much it is in the first place...


I am also hoping louis would be cool on storing it in shop for charter use only.....


what was this thread about again?
this

[MadReefer]

what do i get if i answer correctly? i like tacos as well

[MadReefer]

oh thats a nice little unit. way better than the apogee. lab grade. worth the bucks if you got it. :thumbs_up::thumbs_up:

[350gt]

The whole point of this thread was to get people to pitch in for a more accurate meter. Not to have someone post about how DIY is cheaper. So tell me who exactly derailed this thread


exactly!!... And I never cried about it..


Not in my nature....


they know how we are going to react, yet they do it.... For being so smart, it's kind of stupid.

[350gt]

oh thats a nice little unit. way better than the apogee. lab grade. worth the bucks if you got it. :thumbs_up::thumbs_up:


Well pitch in!!... Lol I have $100 on it..

[Big_Pun]

I'd say no, because they were about alternatives to dropping over a grand on a PAR meter. The purpose of the maast par meter that you have asked people to consider pitching in to, should have opinions from both the side of lab grade, and DIY meters, especially if more than one person is putting in on it.

These posts were related to other options, and comparing results. Sure the "taco and car wash posts" were distracting but they served a purpose to lighten the conversation.

The posts had actual content, instead of emoticons and shots at other members.
Start a Diy thread then with all your info on it......... but lets say you do start one, and i come in say why not just buy the licor, you think he will take lightly to that?

[Big_Pun]

what do i get if i answer correctly? i like tacos as well
what tacos do you want !

[MadReefer]

how bout best of both worlds? take the LI-190SL and solder the leads up for mvdc on a reg. meter

[350gt]

Start a Diy thread then with all your info on it......... but lets say you do start one, and i come in say why not just buy the licor, you think he will take lightly to that?


Nope it will be the reef mafia being mean again.... **** babies..

[grouch]

Someone give me a call when this thread is closed I'm tired of reading all the arguments here.

[Big_Pun]

how bout best of both worlds? take the LI-190SL and solder the leads up for mvdc on a reg. meter
good option but will they warranty it if anything happens? lots of people will use it so the possibility of it breaking is greater even if its the manufacturers fault

[BBQHILLBILLY]

bacon and egg with cheese. Im gonna get some tacos. brb

[350gt]

Someone give me a call when this thread is closed I'm tired of reading all the arguments here.



All I was trying to do was get a new accurate meter for the club to use...

[MadReefer]

http://www.maast.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20120&d=1366306291

just do EET

[Big_Pun]

Someone give me a call when this thread is closed I'm tired of reading all the arguments here.
i can add you to the text group message if you have a iphone :lightbulb:

[MadReefer]

warranty is a good question. its that little grey area where moreless Anything can be voided tbh. any claims department can pick apart a warranty and void it. seen it happen. happened to me not long ago. but... how much is that sensor? idk yet.

http://www.johnmorris.com.au/LI-190-Quantum-sensor-millivolt-adapter.aspx?pd=16685 sells it, but no price.

[350gt]

Madreefer i do apologize this is not Maast usually.... Every once and awhile it happens but not daily.. Lol

reefmafia is for fun.... We all talk reef 24/7 through text and when in person....

sorta better on text, cause no one takes it out of context like on here..... We all understand our sense of humor.....

maast for the most part is pretty cool, good peeps but without the mafia, would be a little boring... ::no icon::

[Zack]

The whole point of this thread was to get people to pitch in for a more accurate meter. Not to have someone post about how DIY is cheaper. So tell me who exactly derailed this thread

But what if someone could make a DIY meter that is just as accurate?

Not saying it's possible because I have no knowledge of building par meters but at such a cost, all options should be explored.

[MadReefer]

arguing is mellowed down Grouch. its like walking in late to the bar hurr

[MadReefer]

But what if someone could make a DIY meter that is just as accurate?

Not saying it's possible because I have no knowledge of building par meters but at such a cost, all options should be explored.

honestly bc there will always be a hint of doubt even for the person that made it. the route i posted above is moreless a no brainer. unless you just simply cant solder. like BP said though "warranty". i say email them and find out.

[Zack]

Start a Diy thread then with all your info on it......... but lets say you do start one, and i come in say why not just buy the licor, you think he will take lightly to that?

I can't speak to that, but I know on my build I have posted my equipment and others have suggested better more reliable stuff but I stayed with my gut feeling. Maybe this PAR meter is the best thing since sliced bread, and it probably is, but why settle? There are people who claim macs are the best computers and there are those that build there own computers that are 10x better than macs for 1/10th the cost.

[MadReefer]

Madreefer i do apologize this is not Maast usually.... Every once and awhile it happens but not daily.. Lol

reefmafia is for fun.... We all talk reef 24/7 through text and when in person....

sorta better on text, cause no one takes it out of context like on here..... We all understand our sense of humor.....

maast for the most part is pretty cool, good peeps but without the mafia, would be a little boring... ::no icon::

your :no icon: disspreezes me!

[350gt]

But what if someone could make a DIY meter that is just as accurate?

Not saying it's possible because I have no knowledge of building par meters but at such a cost, all options should be explored.



That wasn't what this thread was about!!.... If I would have posted for opinions on par meters then I was open to options... But I am set on this meter.....


Again, who derailed...

[MadReefer]

I can't speak to that, but I know on my build I have posted my equipment and others have suggested better more reliable stuff but I stayed with my gut feeling. Maybe this PAR meter is the best thing since sliced bread, and it probably is, but why settle? There are people who claim macs are the best computers and there are those that build there own computers that are 10x better than macs for 1/10th the cost.


bc honestly nano, that sensor is the best you can get tbh. and if you want to really test, you need to remove all possible variables like in a lab. thats just the nature of science on that part. gotta be realistic and put aside the diy/not diy. but in the case i proposed, its not diy. i mean hey your compressor is dead on your ac and i replace it. is that diy? idk lol

[350gt]

your :no icon: disspreezes me!



Sorry bro.... Posting smiley faces offends some too....

[MadReefer]

i think that MadReefer guy this time. i cant keep track. but hey im going to buy that sensor right now if you all dont get your arses in gear. and no i Dont share!

[MadReefer]

one day when you all get to meet me in person. ask me for my contract in my wallet. then you all will understand why im so edgy on this debate crap.

[Zack]

That wasn't what this thread was about!!.... If I would have posted for opinions on par meters then I was open to options... But I am set on this meter.....


Again, who derailed...

Very well Tony.

[KING]

Lmao....i love this s*****t..... Yes make a diy of this metter so i can have an other way of shocking myself in my tank...

[Louis-210]

I want these tacos ......
http://tacostogo.com/

[350gt]

Lmao....i love this s*****t..... Yes make a diy of this metter so i can have an other way of shocking myself in my tank...


::facepalm::

[Big_Pun]

one day when you all get to meet me in person. ask me for my contract in my wallet. then you all will understand why im so edgy on this debate crap.
now im curious! :confused:

[grouch]

No thanks Chris I don't do text its a phone call someone !

i can add you to the text group message if you have a iphone :lightbulb:

[MadReefer]

Lmao....i love this s*****t..... Yes make a diy of this metter so i can have an other way of shocking myself in my tank...

dude... Titanium Ground probe (12 bucks)

ok guys i talked to Tony at licor. he is sending me litterature etc.
Sensor: 700
Cable (wtf triple dip gold plated on planet mars, air shipped to Your reef tank) 360
mv adapter 45

[FireWater]

Ok. Did everyone get it out of their system?

My post will not create another page of useless banter.

What folks have to realize is that Tony started a thread, his thread to do as he wants. Unfortunately it took a turn for worse as he was just looking for interest in a particular meter. Others like to DIY and that is understood and their choice.

Does everyone see that this kind of action gets us all no where at the end of the day? Everyone has an opinion and wants to be heard but, we all have to adults. Some are just a little more mature about it in certain situations. Then you have the problem of emotion and little nuances being lost in typed words. Please keep a level head when posting and discussing. I for one will do my best to never stop a valid discussion. Valid being the key point. As long as we continue down the path to mature discussion on this idea this thread will stay. If not I will ask the moderation team to deal with it appropriately.



Now, back to the original post idea.

I am still interested in the possibility of chipping in for the meter.

[MadReefer]

who is this President and does he have phat lewts?! ehh wait gaming mode was on... hey chief its calm. waiting to see what BP thinks about my "lesser expensive" idea. his is identical price Less the meter. i mean most people have one and if not mvDC meter is like 25 bucks for a Fieldpiece

[Big_Pun]

who is this President and does he have phat lewts?! ehh wait gaming mode was on... hey chief its calm. waiting to see what BP thinks about my "lesser expensive" idea. his is identical price Less the meter. i mean most people have one and if not mvDC meter is like 25 bucks for a Fieldpiece
sounds good i a nice fluke, rather have their meter, you buy the sensor and tony and the rest of us will get the meter lol

[Big_Pun]

i know we come off as jerks but we are always there when people need help on this site. i have no problem giving a reefer in need anything i can spare to help them out.
sometimes we just get a kick out of debating ..........

[FireWater]

Sometimes a debate is the start of a war when the wrong words are spoken.

Mad reefer what is a lewt and what prices are we looking at?

[MadReefer]

nm on the "lewt"

just got the email from these guys. who wants a forward?

[Big_Pun]

nm on the "lewt"

just got the email from these guys. who wants a forward?

email info sent

[MadReefer]

i need to see whats up with there over-priced "meter" if its a datalogger then i understand the price. seems these things come from australia (go figure where the gbr is at). they get a kick out of there cable price. sort of sickening. then again the cable might come in handy for a tow strap as well so may serve more than one purpose! =D

[MadReefer]

lol the stuff they sent me i read about 2 years ago. same thing dif day. only issue to jack up this whole par meter scheme is: zoox comes in many dna forms and adapts to dif wavelengths of light. so moreless without a ton of info on water depth certain corals are at, what they are adapted to (god only knows), its still a true guessing game, but it does get us another step closer to understanding. =)

[350gt]

I'm all ears, literally!

[Big_Pun]

so james the adapter is to use on a mv meter? also i believe their meter is a data logger also

[MadReefer]

im not going to jack up the origional intent for this post by side-tracking. perhaps a Lighting Discusion (No Drama) thread. We have a Lounge but no "Think Tank" like trt has. i live in those threads tbh. i think so deeply on this stuff i nearly created a wormhole... twice.

[MadReefer]

so james the adapter is to use on a mv meter? also i believe their meter is a data logger also

yup. check my link in here or check out my pics. the way my sensor is set up. i can remove the plugs, plug it to another meter as long as that meter reads millivolts DC, it will operate. datalogging is over-rated really imho for what you guys really want to do.

[350gt]

Wish I could relate... Lol

[MadReefer]

im sensing lots of reading from BP atm heheh. i will check in later. pm me if anyone needs. btw facebook would be SO much easier for my random wandering offs as i carry my phone with me lol.

[Big_Pun]

im sensing lots of reading from BP atm heheh. i will check in later. pm me if anyone needs. btw facebook would be SO much easier for my random wandering offs as i carry my phone with me lol.
tapatalk app if you have a smart phone!!

[MadReefer]

Ooooh 0-o

[Big_Pun]

hey robert if we get it ill make sure you get it so you dont have to wait a year lol...... seriously ill hand deliver it!

[rrasco]

That would be cool. I'd appreciate it.

[350gt]

I feel a group hug coming on???? :bighug:


I know chris and john are down...

[The_wolfeman]

I feel a group hug coming on???? :bighug:


I know chris and john are down...

And just to be fair, it'll be a DIY hug!

[alton]

So we need 20 people at $100 per person? Put my name in. Did Anyone look into the other sensor? It maybe nice to see what reflectance you would have from your substrate or if there is an advantage to getting a reading from a broader area

[350gt]

So we need 20 people at $100 per person? Put my name in. Did Anyone look into the other sensor? It maybe nice to see what reflectance you would have from your substrate or if there is an advantage to getting a reading from a broader area


it doesnt have to be $100 but it helps......

I can probably throw in a little more if needed.... I would rather get the whole package instead of tinkering with anything for warranty issues....

thanks alton...

[350gt]

if we get more willing maybe someone like JOHN can hold all the $$ for us........ Its not like he's busy doing anything.. lol jk


I would be willing to handle it all as well but I think more ppl know and trust John or some other old salty...

[MadReefer]

it doesnt have to be $100 but it helps......

I can probably throw in a little more if needed.... I would rather get the whole package instead of tinkering with anything for warranty issues....

thanks alton...
it most definitlely would make a dif. it sounded to me like both sensors cost the same. but i could be wrong. you could also keep a tab on who invested. then for anyone needing to utilize it that hasnt assisted could have a one time fee of say 50 bucks. plus the people that invest the most would be the ones that i would think would have the worry of Loaning it out to others that have only put in 50 bucks. so say a trip to there house, some testing done, 50 bucks, and it goes back home. i mean there ARE people out there that would take a 2G unit for 50 bucks to "borrow" then flip it on ebay and act null to it.

[FireWater]

if we get more willing maybe someone like JOHN can hold all the $$ for us........ Its not like he's busy doing anything.. lol jk


I would be willing to handle it all as well but I think more ppl know and trust John or some other old salty...

Thats just wrong man. Lol
Actually I may not be the right person to trust counting money right now anyway.

[MadReefer]

im not sure but this is something more in tune with what im looking to get eventually.... i think its what im looking for. moreless something that gives me the spectrum of light my lights are putting out along with intensity
http://www.edmundoptics.com/testing-targets/spectrometers/ccd-based-spectrometers/3414

[alton]

The spherical one is $75 more, and if you are wondering the data logger is $1,750 by itself

[MadReefer]

The spherical one is $75 more, and if you are wondering the data logger is $1,750 by itself

yup. thats top end equip price. totally dont need datalogging. but the spherical sensor would be more a benefit i think over the flat one.

[Madfragger]

Like I said in the thread I started I'm definitely down to pitch in on it. Let me know when its a for sure deal and I'll throw a 100 in too. Just make sure I'm in line to play with the new toy ;)

Thanks,
Josh