Jebo wp-40?

[reefreak]

Anyone heard of these or use these? I think they are a knock off of a mp-40 and they seem to work like an mp40 same wave and everything.
http://www.fish-street.com/jebo_wp-40_13000l_wave_maker

[SABOB]

There's a thread on RC in the Lighting,Filtration section......a lot of posts


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[350gt]

get one and let us know.......

[reefreak]

I wa thinking about getting one for my dads fowlr.

[mtfish]

I have two ordered for my 400 galllon tank which is not operating just yet. Looking forward to playing with them. Should be in withing the next two weeks.

[rrasco]

My two will be here early next week. I linked these pumps in my MP40 thread as I was considering them.

I'm excited because it's a DC controllable pump, unlike the "DC 12 volt" koralias that are actually switching AC, and I can easily generate my own control signal for them. The thing to watch out for on the WP40 is, they're really powerful and can only dial back so much with the stock controller. It does come with a light sensor that dials the pump back at night, it has reports of being finicky, but I think that is due to people using variable power supplies and it is affecting its function. The downsides: they are bigger, there is a cord in the water (I actually prefer this over the cord outside the tank), and the MP40 is said to have a broader flow pattern.

I've actually talked to the manufacturer about a group buy. We can't talk about it on RC, but it's a min of 50 pumps at $40~ each and $500 for shipping. Soo...50 pumps for $2500. Or you could buy one from fish street for $100-110 depending on if you get the pre-order that comes with a 10% discount. You can use coupon code 'fishstreet' (i think that's it) for a 3% discount. Not a bad deal considering they are comparable in function and flow to the MP40.

EDIT: I just realized this thread was from like 2 weeks ago. Oh well, still applicable. Jeremy, did you order one?

[reefreak]

Nope haven't ordered one ended up using the money towards my build.

[Big_Pun]

one thing I've learned in life not just in this hobby is you get what you pay for. jebo is odysea brand re-named due to all the crappy thing they made and bad rep here in U.S. I see it works pretty good but for how long? will it start to leak electricity eventually?

[rrasco]

I can't substantiate this on my own, because I don't know for sure, but I am of the understanding this is not the Jebo that is Odyssea. At least someone made that claim. There are actually a few different Jebo and Jebao companies. I know this isn't the only Jebo though, there is one in San Francisco and one in China.

The 'you get what you pay for' line isn't always true. In most cases, yes, there is typically a reason, but not always.

Only time will tell how durable these pumps are.

[350gt]

I agree, you get what you pay for... lol



PUMPS ARE UGLY AS HELL THOUGH.......


but hey if they work, they work..... I am glad you all are willing to test them out..

[Zack]

If anyone gets these lmk how they work. May try out two of their soon to be released wp25's on my 40

[rrasco]

I have one on my 105. Waiting for my second one to show up so I can build a controller for them. I like the modes it offers with the stock controller but there is no way to dial it back and they are powerful pumps. The only downside to them is their size, they are pretty big, but that doesn't bother me.

I'm not sure when the WP25 is supposed to be out, it should have already been out given the initial reports.

[Zack]

Hmmm, I'll look it up. So it's flow isn't controllable at all? I remember reading somewhere you can lower the strength but not very much. Some people posted of a variable voltage connector?

Does it have similar modes to the vortech? Only modes I've seen so far are the reefcrest random and short pulse, also are two controllable on the same stock controller?

[rrasco]

It has a low, hi, W1, W2, W3, and else modes. Low and high are constant. The W modes are different wave modes, the knob on the controller adjusts the wave length. Else is similar to reefcrest. Each mode has variances in flow, but there is not a function similar to what a Vortech knob does, turn down the max intensity.

I wouldn't use the variable voltage controller, that could be very bad for the motor. The output signal needs to be modified to control the pump. The easiest way would be to add a pot to the VA line which should let you have a max speed, but I have not tested this yet. I am working on methods for this as well. The stock controller only works with one pump. You could use a ReefAngel or Apex to control more pumps, you just need a custom cable. I have details on this as well. RA and Apex have modes for reefcrest and NTM.

[Zack]

Dang..

I looked up the wp25's and no official release date, only thing I could find was, "mid april"

[rrasco]

Yeah, we've been waiting for them. They are supposed to be fairly low in flow though, have you seen the specs on them?

[Zack]

No, not yet. I'm hoping to get two of them if they are compareable to the mp10

[rrasco]

Check out how much flow difference there is.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m277/ganjero/wp40wp25_zps68e9c5b1.jpg

[Zack]

Hmm, vortech mp10 pushes a max of 750 – 6,000+ Liters which means even two of these 100% would equal one mp10.. I'd need four to replicate two mp10s.. at that point I may as well buy a second mp10

[rrasco]

Or you could get one and dial it back. Do you have a controller? WP40 might be too big for your liking if it's going in a small tank though.

[Zack]

I have a 40 breeder with an RKL.

[rrasco]

Not sure if the RKL has custom dimming options/pins. I know the Apex can and the RA work with these pumps.

[rrasco]

Details on the WP25 are coming out. It should be $30~ USD and available later this month. Impressive for such a small pump.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk250/sac9665/WP-40ampWP-25_zps8554dd28.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYc1hZy5iV0

[Zack]

Can you link me those posts please?

[rrasco]

These came from an email, but a thread on RC has been started for the WP25.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21392486

[koa25]

Wow, that thing is a lean mean little machine. Impressive.

[rrasco]

And I already know how to control it. Win.

[Big_Pun]

gotta love knock off products keeps the industry on its toes so know one settles.... cant wait till ecotech improves on their pumps

[350gt]

C'mon Chris.....

even though we don't care for it.... If this product works and proves to be reliable..... It's a good thing for the consumer.. Not so much the big companies.

i love my 40s and wouldn't part with them for this pump.... But this could be a good pump, especially for the price... Look at the other pumps in the same price range...

I'm not excited about this pump but I can see why some are.... But would like to see how reliable it proves to be..

[Big_Pun]

i see that it works and for the price it does what it needs to do. i would like to see more features and user control without DIY it and voiding the warranty

[350gt]

For 30~ I wouldn't even worry about warranty... LoL I would just buy 2 more as back up..

[Big_Pun]

For 30~ I wouldn't even worry about warranty... LoL I would just buy 2 more as back up..
lol true i spend more on gfo a month

[rrasco]

More features for a sub $100 pump? And with the WP25 being $30, really? I got chastised for saying the MP40 should have more features for a $500 pump and you don't think this is adequate? These pumps work well on their own controller, the only thing they lack is wireless syncing and the ability to dial them back. All of which I can fix. I was even considering producing a means so people don't have to DIY themselves. Don't be scared to mod something. Have you ever changed the pump on a skimmer or modified a hob? Why would this be any different?

I guess I won't hate on the MP40s, at least the resell market is good....anybody want to buy a slightly-used MP40?

[350gt]

lol true i spend more on gfo a month



Thats what I mean.... You can't even get half a tank of gas with $30...


If this little pump can do what it claims, is reliable and doesn't cause excessive heat... That would be sick.


but still $30 scares me more than it makes me smile........ What are they skimping on....

[Big_Pun]

not at the 30 dollar price they could mark it up to 100 bucks and add some more features and its still be way cheaper than a mp-10. cutting and gluing some plastic on a ac-70 is not the same as messing with electronics of a product i wont catch anything on fire if i dont glue it straight or short a circuit.

[FireWater]

I would like to how well they hold up over time. Like Tony said though, at that price you're not losing anything by trying.

Consumers and people in general always want more out of something. I want more out of my vortech for the price, that is agreed. However, it is the cream of the crop as far as circulating pumps go. I have ran most of them too. Tunze is a close second in my book.

Maybe we can grab some of these and see what all kinds of mods can be done to I prove or affect performance?

So, how much do want for the used MP40? Lol

[rrasco]

not at the 30 dollar price they could mark it up to 100 bucks and add some more features and its still be way cheaper than a mp-10. cutting and gluing some plastic on a ac-70 is not the same as messing with electronics of a product i wont catch anything on fire if i dont glue it straight or short a circuit.

You're far too afraid of a little wiring. Ever installed a car stereo? That's more dangerous.

What features would you expect to see? Would if there was a cable you just plugged into the stock pump and controller connector and it allowed you to dial it back? There is already a Jebao cable for the ReefAngel and interfaces with the pumps connector, and they have Vortech-style modes.

[Big_Pun]

im going to get one to mix water in my brute, the natural wave action mixes water better like real sea water :lightbulb:

[FireWater]

not at the 30 dollar price they could mark it up to 100 bucks and add some more features and its still be way cheaper than a mp-10. cutting and gluing some plastic on a ac-70 is not the same as messing with electronics of a product i wont catch anything on fire if i dont glue it straight or short a circuit.

As an investigator I always look at this when I buy a product. What all nationally and internationally recognized testing labs has it passed certification on. If you feel comfortable with doing the mod why sweat it?

[rrasco]

I would like to how well they hold up over time. Like Tony said though, at that price you're not losing anything by trying.

Consumers and people in general always want more out of something. I want more out of my vortech for the price, that is agreed. However, it is the cream of the crop as far as circulating pumps go. I have ran most of them too. Tunze is a close second in my book.

Maybe we can grab some of these and see what all kinds of mods can be done to I prove or affect performance?

So, how much do want for the used MP40? Lol

I already have 2 WP40s and I'm working on different control methods. Personally, I'm trashing their controller so I can run my own. The Vortechs are considered top of the line by many, and don't get me wrong, I do like them, but I won't be rushing out to buy one for all of my tanks. I do like their low profile, and their controller looks cool, but outside of that, what do they really offer other pumps don't? I need random flow, Vortechs and Jebao both provide that. The WP25 are really exciting because they are much smaller. The WP40 I can deal with, but I won't lie, as Chris would say, "It's a Russian submarine."

Re MP40: Probably around $400, maybe a little less, depending on how generous I am feeling...and maybe who's buying it. LOL. I need to finish all my control stuff for these first though.

[350gt]

Group buy??? Lol

[Big_Pun]

what do they really offer other pumps don't?

yes you can compare this jebo to an MP and Tunze, but thats the only pumps in the same ball park, no other pumps compare. i said a the koralia magnums are a russian sub, when you talked about buy koralia dc pumps.

[rrasco]

Group buy??? Lol

I already contacted Jebao about the WP40s. Min of 50 at ~$40/ea and ~$500 for shipping. So 50 units for $2500, which comes out to ~$50/ea. I can check on the WP25 to see what kind of deal we can get.


yes you can compare this jebo to an MP and Tunze, but thats the only pumps in the same ball park, no other pumps compare. i said a the koralia magnums are a russian sub, when you talked about buy koralia dc pumps.

I know you did. These are the same size, if not slightly bigger, than a Magnum 8. I have one of those too.

[350gt]

I would try one of the 25s if you do...

[Big_Pun]

so i see it works well! but when you look Jebo, Odyssea or what ever company name they changed to at the moment you see mixed reviews and its not about customer service its about the product failing after months of use. just like that teacher that bought that chinese led fixture and caused $$$$$ in damage from a fire, or all the stories of odysea lights catching fire, their products are hit and miss for a reason thats why the cost is so low.
but for 30 bucks i would try it just toss it and not buy another if it failed.

i have a coulple wet sides and other mp-40 parts if you want to buy and mess with, even have old controllers for 40 and 10 maybe you can use them on a jebo

[350gt]

Lol would be awesome to get a vortech controller to work with these lol.... I bet that would really **** ecotech off...

[rrasco]

so i see it works well! but when you look Jebo, Odyssea or what ever company name they changed to at the moment you see mixed reviews and its not about customer service its about the product failing after months of use. just like that teacher that bought that chinese led fixture and caused $$$$$ in damage from a fire, or all the stories of odysea lights catching fire, their products are hit and miss for a reason thats why the cost is so low.
but for 30 bucks i would try it just toss it and not buy another if it failed.

i have a coulple wet sides and other mp-40 parts if you want to buy and mess with, even have old controllers for 40 and 10 maybe you can use them on a jebo

I can't say for sure, because it's just hearsay and I don't know how to validate it, but this is not supposed to be the same company as Odyssea. Maybe some day I'll mess with custom Vortech stuff, but it's so expensive I don't want to.

[rrasco]

Lol would be awesome to get a vortech controller to work with these lol.... I bet that would really **** ecotech off...

I don't see why it's not possible, ReefAngel has a RF module for the Vortechs.

[Big_Pun]

i have gen 1 controllers im not asking 100 or 50 but both for the low price of $20 just no power supplies actually the 40 controller is a gen 2 which is the first rf one

[FireWater]

I have a feeling your PM box is fixing to or already has exploded with potential buyers.

[Big_Pun]

its the same company they have been swapping there name for years. why would another company pick a name with a bad rep???

[Big_Pun]

hey robert are you just using a variable power supply to adjust flow on the jebo?

[Big_Pun]

not bad bit of best without the ability to fine tune it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyjGzXI7YpU&safety_mode=true&persist_safet y_mode=1&safe=active

[rrasco]

its the same company they have been swapping there name for years. why would another company pick a name with a bad rep???

Well, there is a Jebao, Jebo, and a Chinese Jebao. The manufacturer of this pump is jebao.com. I have no clue why they are listed as Jebo.

http://www.jeboaquarium.com/
http://www.jebao.com/
http://www.jebaopumps.com/


hey robert are you just using a variable power supply to adjust flow on the jebo?

No. I don't recommend doing this. While it works, I don't think people know why it works and it will shorten the life of the motor. I'm going to use one of my microcontrollers or a ReefAngel.

[rrasco]

not bad bit of best without the ability to fine tune it

I'll take a video of mine tonight. It scared me in my DSA 105 though, it gets close to spilling over and that's with the shortest wave.

[rrasco]

Here are some details on the modes it offers.


H: High, constant, non-variable flow (13,000 LPH)

L: Low, constant, non-variable flow at a third of the speed (4,300 LPH)

W1: Short pulses which, when timed correctly will create a back and forth motion and form a gentle standing wave in your tank. Adjust the controller to change the speed of the pulses and vary the size of the wave according to your tank.

W2 & W3: Pump gradually speeds up and slows down incrementally to create a varied flow pattern. Adjustable to form the wave best suited to your tank.

Else: Reef Stream Mode, a mixed, changing pattern that creates a random flow cycle similar to what you would find in a natural reef.

Feed: Press the 'FEED' button once, the blue '10min' light will illuminate indicating that the pump has been stopped for 10 minutes. When the time has elapsed, the light will go off and the pump will be turned back on. Alternatively, press the 'FEED' button again to start the pump.

Lock: To prevent changes from inadvertently occurring by accidentally knocking the adjustable control knob, press and hold the 'FEED' button for 5 seconds. The red 'LOCK' light will illuminate and the control knob will no longer function. Press and hold the 'LOCK' light for a further 5 seconds to disable this feature.

*Night: When the two-pinned sensor is inserted into the two small plugs on the left-hand side of the control box, Night mode will function automatically. The sensor detects when the tank lights go out and slows the pump to half speed. The 'Sensor' light will illuminate when Night mode is in operation. To disable the Night mode function, remove the sensor from the control box.

[MadReefer]

found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIAUSx7t30

this guy really did good reviewing it. this is next for me heh

72 bucks a pop: http://www.fish-street.com/product_details.php?item_id=591&currency_code=AUD

[rrasco]

I made a video of mine last week but I have not uploaded it yet.

[MadReefer]

Oh so you did end up getting one. Sweet.


Sent from Nasa

[rrasco]

Yes. I have 2.

[Zack]

What exactly is a mico controller?

[MadReefer]

Micro controller? Prolly a solidstate adjustable timing relay. Wonder if its pwm or not honestly. Idk but i want one lol. Sure wish i didnt but these 2 koralia evo1500's. so these things are working good for you? If so im posting to sell a few items to get one of these guys


Sent from Nasa

[rrasco]

A microcontroller is a small system (computer, device, whatever really, could just be a PCB) with an integrated circuit (IC), a microchip, which can be programmed to perform various functions. Depending on the application, it may be as simple or as complicated as you wish. In this case, they are using the IC to send a pulse width modulation (PWM), a dimming signal, through a low-pass filter (LPF) which the pump then uses to control it's speed. If you have ever heard of an Arduino, that is a microcontroller with an open platform designed for universal use and easy development. The Raspberry Pi is also a microcontroller.

James, the pump has a 5V VA line that can be used to control the speed of the pump, it takes an analog signal, but the controller actually generates a PWM signal and converts it to analog through a LPF. Personally, I am going to be using a ReefAngel to interface with these pumps, I'm not using the Jebao controller.

[Zack]

How much am I looking for one to control two WP25's? I'm looking as simple / cheap/ easy to build as possible

[rrasco]

What is your intent behind controlling them? The Jebao controller works well, so long as you don't need to dial back or sync the pumps.

You can pick up an Arduino Uno for around $30-35 depending on where you get it and you can build a LPF for around a dollar, it's just a resistor and a capacitor, then you would connect the wires and program the controller to send the dimming signal. This of course, is barebones. You could add the right connectors and a housing to your build and it would add to the cost. As I said, as simple or complicated as you want. If you really wanted to, you could design your own microcontroller for around $20 and have a boardhouse print the PCB for you as well, but if you only need one, it doesn't really save you money. That only makes sense if you design the board and have multiple projects in mind.

[Zack]

Well I'm looking at adding two to make a second "mp10", but want the ability to dim them and run them each about 75%.

[rrasco]

The part that will start adding costs is when you start to try and make it look nice and make things easier for you by customizing it. I am using connectors that will fit the pumps without having to modify anything. I also put my controllers in a project box since the Arduino is simply a PCB with no housing. This is my preferred method, not necessarily because it's cheaper, but because it's custom to what I need it to do.

The code for the controller already exists, but it was written for the ReefAngel (which runs on the same IC as the Arduino BTW), so you will need to alter it to fit your needs. Specifically, the RA generates a 10V signal and the WP pumps accept a 5V signal. This can also be achieved through implementing a voltage-divider in addition to the LPF. I think someone already posted something for the Arduino though, so that may not even be necessary if that is the route you take. I need to double check.

Is this for your 40? I would probably go with only one WP25 if you are going to use the MP10 as well. We'll have to see how powerful they are when they come out though, the only thing we have to go by right now is that one video. I'll tell you the WP40 moves some water though. It only takes one with the Jebao controller to make my 105 spill. I have avoided that for obvious reasons though, that's why I need to dial mine back.

Next time you are in town if you want to swing by I can help explain some of this, it might make it easier than trying to detail this online.

[Zack]

Yeah dude.. all that reading between sw mixing made my head hurt..

[MadReefer]

Lol. I can read that stuff all day. My mind expands beyond space and time.... Whats today again?


Sent from Nasa

[Big_Pun]

hmmm.........I'm still reading and using google to translate

[rrasco]

LOL

Maybe sometime soon I can draw something up to explain this a little better. It really is pretty simple stuff once you get into it and have a basic understanding.

[Big_Pun]

LOL

Maybe sometime soon I can draw something up to explain this a little better. It really is pretty simple stuff once you get into it and have a basic understanding.

video!!

[rrasco]

I could do that when mine is done.

[MadReefer]

Hrmmm solid state adjustable flasher relay off what ever voltage req. by the pump. Ive done this and created a 1" standing wave in my 180 with 4 500ghp junk pumps. Unfortunately the flasher i had was mechanical and reached its mechanical demise in 7 days. Hrmm stupid brain wont shut off


Sent from Nasa

[rrasco]

That would work, but you would be isolated to wave mode. If you want modes similar to Vortech's ReefCrest, Nutrient Transport Mode, or custom wave patterns you would need software to control it.

[MadReefer]

gah i hate software!

[rrasco]

The WP40 in W1 mode with dial all the way to the left, the dial alters the wave length. I believe left on the dial is the longest possible. I didn't want to spill my tank. The MP40 was dialed all the way back in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_htJAgADX4

[rrasco]

New information about the Jebao WP25. They are supposed to have the ability to dial back as well, unlike the current WP40. So if they are too strong, you can turn them down.


And the maximum flow rate is 8000l/h (2100G/H), not previously said 3000l/h.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DG3cXTm8hMU/UZBFXiNiYQI/AAAAAAAAC48/Mj1LQj4t6uc/w729-h547-no/2013-05-12

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XOjfZeyCShs/UZBFqVmsL0I/AAAAAAAAC5Y/fVzEYqYrmd8/w729-h547-no/2013-05-12

[rrasco]

Two WP40 at ~25% on a mode similar to ReefCrest (random flow).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fijp5rADa0A

[Zack]

Any ideas on MSRP?

[rrasco]

It won't be much cheaper than the WP40, estimated around $100/ea. However, there is a group buy going down on RC right now that you can get them for $48/ea. I have two on order. Delivery is mid-June.

[Zack]

link?

[rrasco]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2292869

[Zack]

Seems a bit odd that a group buy would bring a 50% savings off the price.. I heard these were going for 30 pre-shiping on another forum... decisions decisions...

[Big_Pun]

so any temperature changes with two in tank now?

[rrasco]

The $30 was a price estimate if buying direct from the manufacturer, which is what this is. The only issue with that price was that it was estimated and didn't include shipping. So once the price was actually 38/ea + $10 to ship each (that's how they do it), that's how you end up at $48. The WP40 was quoted to me at $40. They are $75-85 retail, but shipping runs $20-25 retail.

This is my email from Wystan at Jebao from early May:


The WP-25 is about $35 ,and the shipping cost rate is almost same as WP-40,thanks!

Sincerely
Wystan
Jiebao Co. Ltd.
Tongmao Industrial Park Dongsheng Town, Zhongshan City,Guangdong Pro,China
Tel:+86-760-22212304
Website: www.jebao.com (http://www.jebao.com)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:05 PM
Subject: RE: WP-40

Wystan,

What is the bulk rate with shipping for the new WP20 or WP25 you will be offering?

And this was from earlier in this email referring to the WP40:



Hi Robert,

The shipping cost is about USD 500
by express for about 50pcs,thanks!

Sincerely
Wystan

[rrasco]

so any temperature changes with two in tank now?

No. Tank is at 78 right now. It was 80 yesterday, but that's only because my thermostat flipped into holiday mode and ran my house up to 80.

[tarain11]

I am new to the hobby and would love to get in on a group buy for this WP40 if anyone is able to point me in the correct direction I would be greatful if the buy is still open. Thank you. Need for a new 120g build need everything I guess...

[rrasco]

My two WP25 are in the mail from the GB. I'm getting a pair from the 'test batch' that was sent out ahead of the other 200+ units, so I'll be able to be one of the first few in the states to test these things. I'm excited, the pair of WP40 are too much for my 105.

[Big_Pun]

so in order to get some controllability a reef angel is needed?

[rrasco]

Not exactly. They have a controller, with random and wave modes, but it has no speed control, meaning you can't set the max value like you can with the dial on a Vortech. For example, if you run it on 'else' mode, which is a random flow mode, you can't dial back the maximum output.

The ReefAngel, or other capable controller, gives you this plus any other capability you want to program, like syncing them or custom wave patterns. There are other ways to 'dial back' the WPs while retaining their stock controller, but none that I would recommend.

[rrasco]

Here is the first user test video that I am aware of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3CeZQuFhqw

[rrasco]

They're here!

[Big_Pun]

so talking with a few people in industry and jeabo is odysea

[rrasco]

Cool.

[bugj51]

im curios the flow. i have the wp40 in 4ft, its way too much. im on rc group buy

[rrasco]

The 25s are much more suited for a 4ft tank. My WP40s are moving to the 150 gallon because they were too much.

[rrasco]

Here are some videos I took last night. All of the videos I made are in this playlist, more than I embedded below.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFA_7IzaSP5UUaNI7wnKiA8lSPkQCn5pR

Else Mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npVohWKauY

W1 mode with dial 100% left

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gOfiCnjIIU

W1 mode with dial 50%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLL1yVVsEk

W1 mode with dial 100% right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P012zE6Aet4