Bangaii Cardinals- Breeding New Batch Oct. 2011 Coming Soon. [Archive]

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 28th Jun 2010, 11:34 PM

Hey Everyone. :)

Here are a few shots of our Bangaii Cardinal who is currently holding babies. :) I mentioned this in Justahobby's thread and so I decided to pull out the camera and take some shots.. Here they are for your enjoyment..

Sorry for the blurriness... :what_smile: Need to have my lenses cleaned.

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Mr Cob

Mon, 28th Jun 2010, 11:39 PM

So cool Eve. Nice pics. Will you pull them out when they are released?

Mouth brooders are so fun to watch!

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 28th Jun 2010, 11:39 PM

So want to catch and rear them in the biocube.. but thinking it may be best for all to leave everyone alone and of course let nature take its course.

I think he will be releasing tonight, as you can see in the pics the babies eyes are well developed as well as their little fins as you can see in the 1st pic... The second pic is my favorite as I somewhat captured the moment of parent & sibling eyes.... :)

Mr Cob

Mon, 28th Jun 2010, 11:42 PM

Well, nature taking it's course means food for your reef. : (

I vote to rear them in the BioCube!

All the pics are awesome!

Europhyllia

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 04:48 AM

Very cool! Like Rob I'd feel like at least trying to raise them.
Can they eat baby brine? I still have half a jar of BRD decapsulated hatchable eggs if you want to give it a shot.

justahobby

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 08:28 AM

Baby brine would be an excellent start. If you don't pull the male out, you might also try a fake urchin to give the babes a hiding place.

Pennies2Cents

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 08:42 AM

Ross & I were talking about it last night, and we were wondering what they would eat??? Live Phyto, Baby Brine????

I guess if the male still has them in his mouth when I get home from work. I will see what I can do....... :)

justahobby

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 08:50 AM

Everyone i have read w/ success, starts w/ enriched baby brine. You can work up to cyclopeeze, but that usually takes a few weeks. Feel free to call me this evening.

justahobby

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 05:48 PM

Ok, here's some "light" reading I have bookmarked and found helpful:

Banggai cardinalfish - Pterapogon kauderni - Information - ARKive (http://www.arkive.org/banggai-cardinalfish/pterapogon-kauderni/info.html)
Bangaii Breeding..Here we go, We got Eggs.. - Reef Sanctuary (http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/livestock-breeding/35389-bangaii-breeding-here-we-go-we-got-eggs.html) (This one is very lengthy, but may be the most informative)
9 new Banger additions - Page 2 - Reef Central Online Community (http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1791743&page=2)
Reefs.org: Where Reefkeeping Begins on the Internet - FAQ on Banggai Cardinals (http://www.reefs.org/library/article/f_marini.html)
FAQs about Banggai Cardinalfishes, Family Apogonidae (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/banggaifaqs.htm)
FAQs about Banggai Cardinalfish Reproduction (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/banggairepro.htm)
FAQs about Banggai Cardinalfish Health/Disease (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/banggaidis.htm)

(http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2008/11/breeder#h2)

Pennies2Cents

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 09:20 PM

Thanks Justin for the info. :) And everyone else who has offered to help get these babies going...

I just got home from work, and noticed that the babies are still in dad's mouth. :)

I am wondering if the pump in the BCube is too strong for them??? Or should I get one of those breeder nets???

Back in the FW days when the babies were ready. I would catch the parent and strip the babies from her mouth.. I dont want to risk anything happening to the dad if I did this.. Your thoughts? Or should I just catch dad and put him in the Bcube and let him release there or what?????

Any experts out there~~~~~~

Pennies2Cents

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 09:28 PM

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Europhyllia

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 10:02 PM

Or should I just catch dad and put him in the Bcube and let him release there or what?????

Not an expert but that seems to be the least traumatic approach to me. :)

Pennies2Cents

Tue, 29th Jun 2010, 10:10 PM

Ok so I just skimmed though about 35 pages of posts thanks to Justin... lol... Very informative...And exciting... I hope all goes well..:Timeout:. Keep ya'll posted..

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 02:10 AM

We got babies...

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 02:24 AM

A few pics:

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Pennies2Cents

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 03:07 AM

19 total... :) What a nite... super excited, yet soooo tired... All well worth it. :)

19 cute babies born @ 2:00am 06-30-10 released in display tank just scooped em right up. They were fairly easy catch as they drifted towards to top of the tank. We had turned off the system right as lights went out and tried to catch dad.. But he was not going to have it. So out they came..

They do not have their yolk bags as you can see in the pics, and are trying to feed on the brine shrimp I managed to suck up with the turkey baster from the main display. Babies were immediately removed from tank to bucket to biocube. All are doing good 1hr into. Actively swimming all in a close knit brood.

I am happy! We will see what the rest of today brings. :)

Good Night all!
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kkiel02

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 04:49 AM

Very cool! I hope that yall are successful with rearing them.

justahobby

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 08:36 AM

Awesome! (http://www.maast.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=770827)

Makes me wish I had gotten adults, instead of being so dang patient.
(http://www.maast.org/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=770827)

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 09:18 AM

Its all good Justin! :) the funny thing is a year ago.. one of the parents was a tiny baby just like yours now.. We got em from Phenominal Aquatics. :) The other we purchased from Great White as a group of 4.. So at one point we had a total of 5. But lost the others. And now only have 2.

justahobby

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 10:18 AM

2

+ 19!! LOL

justahobby

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 10:26 AM

FYI: I had excellent success getting them to eat the gel cyclopeeze from IO, bloodworms (when a little older), and they go monkeys for the live artemia. They never seemed to notice when I enriched the artemia with amino acids. I've been really interested in these, maybe you can give em a shot hehe:

http://www.aquacave.com/ocean-nutrition-instant-brbaby-brine-shrimp-20gr-1788.html

roscozman

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 10:56 AM

Anyone know where we can get some live rotifers or baby brine shrimp today?

justahobby

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 11:23 AM

They take about 12 hrs to make.... i wouldn't stress it. That yolk sack will carry em until you get them hatched

justahobby

Wed, 30th Jun 2010, 11:33 AM

I should mention, in case you haven't read it yet, they are prone to SIDS if scared and prevention seems directly linked to enriching food

Pennies2Cents

Thu, 1st Jul 2010, 09:16 PM

Day 2..

All babies are doing well and have settled in the Biocube nicely. They are eating and eating quite a bit. In the morning we feed

First Bites by Hikari Tropical a supplemental food source for newborn fry. They seem to like it and are eating good. At night we feed small mysis shrimp from our main display tank that we manage to get with a turkey baster and then direct feed. They love this more than the supplemental food. They hunt the shrimp and quickly swim to catch and devour their share... Its tough to feed all but I try. With the continuous supply in the display there is enough to go around for everyone.

Keep you posted as the days pass...

txav8r

Thu, 1st Jul 2010, 09:35 PM

How did the culture kit from the MAAST library work out?

ErikH

Fri, 2nd Jul 2010, 01:35 AM

Soooo can I buy some or trade for coral? :) That would be cool (to me!) to own fish reared by another member. :D Let me know, I miss my old ones.

Europhyllia

Fri, 2nd Jul 2010, 03:53 AM

Wow. Sounds like that turned out much easier than expected! Yay for mouthbrooders! :)

Kristy

Fri, 2nd Jul 2010, 10:16 AM

This week's additions to MAAST: baby boys and baby banggais! Not sure which is cuter... this is awesome! Hope you have a good survival rate. So glad to hear they are eating.

roscozman

Fri, 2nd Jul 2010, 11:37 AM

How did the culture kit from the MAAST library work out?

So far so good.. We first used the San Francisco Bay Shrimpery (little black box) and we are getting baby brine this morning. It took about 30 hrs. We also have the other one hooked up (black base w/2 liter bottle) and should have brine at about 3pm today. The baby bangaii cardinals are going crazy for them and are doing well so far. We do have one casualty and are still at 18 on day 3.

Pennies2Cents

Sat, 3rd Jul 2010, 11:23 AM

Day 4....:bigsmile::applause:

Europhyllia

Sat, 3rd Jul 2010, 11:28 AM

yay! all still there I assume?

Pennies2Cents

Sat, 3rd Jul 2010, 12:17 PM

-1 Casualty on Day 3... :(

Pennies2Cents

Thu, 8th Jul 2010, 10:26 PM

We have reached 1 of many milestones... Day 8 babies are doing very well and eating lots...

We still have 13. Feeding live brine shrimp 2 times a day.

pics up soon.

roscozman

Mon, 12th Jul 2010, 04:11 PM

Update:

Day 13 and still have 13 babies. We are still feeding live brine shrimp and they are growing quick. Pics will be up soon.

Europhyllia

Mon, 12th Jul 2010, 04:13 PM

I just saw your post about the January visit to GCReef and how much you liked the cardnial babies. And here you go! lol

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 12th Jul 2010, 08:42 PM

I just saw your post about the January visit to GCReef and how much you liked the cardnial babies. And here you go! lol
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lol.. Yea I know.. :) Couldnt be happier. :)

roscozman

Wed, 14th Jul 2010, 11:39 AM

Day 15 and still have 13 young-ins... Will update pics tonight...

kkiel02

Sat, 17th Jul 2010, 06:22 PM

Pics? I bet they are growing fairly fast. Yall didnt lose very many at all it sounds like.

roscozman

Mon, 19th Jul 2010, 09:31 AM

Well... we lost one over the weekend. Day 20 and have 12 young-ins left.

Eve took some pics but we had a busy weekend and will post soon.

ErikH

Mon, 19th Jul 2010, 11:02 PM

upd8?

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 12:41 AM

Here we go.. Pics.. Finally. :)

Babies are now: 6 weeks old and we only have 8 babies left of the 19.. Starvation was not the issue as all were eating good. It has been a sibling rivalry since the beginning in which now only the bigger ones have managed to stay alive this long. They love their "Live Brine Shirmp" its a very dedicated process to raise these babies. :ph34r:

Two weeks after these babies were born the male was holding again. He did fairly well with getting them to hatch and such:ph34r:, but, during the time I noticed that the new babies were coming (hatched) just not sure of the date we had to go out of town, low and behold he released the 2nd batch he was holding. Most got eaten but 3 managed to survive the gauntlet:ph34r:... We came home to find them hiding in little crevices in 3 different areas of the tank. We caught them and they are now safe in the BC with the others and are holding their own.. So total we have a total of 11 babies.

Here are a few pictures for you to enjoy.. Taken 2 days ago..

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 12:42 AM

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Pennies2Cents

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 12:43 AM

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Third Coast Tropical

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 01:33 AM

pretty cool. congrats.

kkiel02

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 05:59 AM

Wow so two batches for far! How big would you say they are at this point?

roscozman

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 09:33 AM

Size - I would say they are about 1/4 inch.

We did try and "release" them into our BioCube but they were struggling in the flow from the return. We were able to catch them all again but lost a couple due to the stress. We'll try again once they have gotten bigger in size.

Europhyllia

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 09:53 AM

They're fantastic! Congrats :)

Mr Cob

Wed, 11th Aug 2010, 09:57 AM

Awesome!

Pennies2Cents

Fri, 13th Aug 2010, 12:52 PM

Batch #3 Coming Soon... Yesterday we saw the pair spawning again and he had lots of eggs even ones on the outside of his mouth.. Pics up tonight.. :)

Its only been a week since he previously released. We are in the process of finding another adult male cardinal to add to the tank so this one can take a break. Its just too difficult to catch him in the 240....

jennabee

Sun, 15th Aug 2010, 05:43 PM

THATS SOOO CUTE EVE AND ROSS, CANT WAIT TO GO BY YOUR HOUSE AND SEE THEM.
JEN AND ADAM

Richard

Mon, 16th Aug 2010, 01:05 AM

Great Job! I always wanted to try breeding Bangai's since they are now CITES listed and the cb ones do so much better than the wc. Brine shrimp direct has some good growout feeds that might work as a good replacement for the bbs if you plan on continuing to raise them.

http://www.brineshrimpdirect.com/c1/GP-Diets-Active-Spheres-c11.html

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 16th Aug 2010, 01:21 AM

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 16th Aug 2010, 01:26 AM

THATS SOOO CUTE EVE AND ROSS, CANT WAIT TO GO BY YOUR HOUSE AND SEE THEM.
JEN AND ADAM

Thanks Jennabee, It was good to see you & Adam. :) Its been a while.. Let us know if you need anything else to help get your tank going again. :)

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 16th Aug 2010, 01:31 AM

Pic as Promised! :)

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justahobby

Mon, 16th Aug 2010, 09:40 AM

Very cool! Keep up the good work guys!!

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 30th Aug 2010, 11:47 PM

Update: Male Cardinal dropped all the eggs.. :( No batch this time around.. In the mean time, babies are growing and looking good. Only 5 left... Hoping we dont loose anymore.. We lost 3 the day of the tank tour..

Male and Female were showing signs of spawning again, but we will see.. He is still too thin (mho) to hold another batch.. Keep everyone posted.

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 1st Sep 2010, 09:39 PM

Good news.. :) Ross found 6 more babies in the over flows. 3 on each side. For a total of 10 babies I am guestimating that they are from the 1st batch... :) They are plumpy and look very healthy.. Prob a little bigger than the ones in the bio-cube.. Thinking of just leaving them there and letting them grow. How we are going to get them out I have no idea.. But I will leave that for another day..

On the other hand. Female still showing signs of wanting to spawn the male is showing no interest.. :( Keep ya'll posted.

Europhyllia

Wed, 1st Sep 2010, 09:56 PM

Wow. So the ones that just survived on leftovers from the tank did better than the ones that got baby brine?

Pennies2Cents

Wed, 1st Sep 2010, 11:01 PM

Wow. So the ones that just survived on leftovers from the tank did better than the ones that got baby brine?

I am thinking so... Or possibly the baby brine that Ross throws into the tank every other day.

Pennies2Cents

Sun, 5th Sep 2010, 03:21 PM

Bump... He's holding again! :) One day after my previous post.. He was holding the new batch.. We will see.....

clownfish

Mon, 20th Sep 2010, 06:27 PM

congrats eve and ross... i missed it last time i was there....good luck and i need to learn about the baby brine soon,,, maybe you can school me on raising some for my clown breeding program..... see you guys soon...

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 20th Sep 2010, 10:45 PM

Bump 3 weeks was Sunday the 19th.. Eggs now have bitty eyes and his mouth is quite full. :)

kkiel02

Sun, 26th Sep 2010, 12:00 AM

How big is the first batch now? So 3 batches thus far?

Pennies2Cents

Sun, 26th Sep 2010, 08:41 PM

Yes, this is the 3rd. And babies are coming out tonight.. We have 8 babies mixed from both previous batches. We will see how many we can collect tonight..

The wait is on...10pm....

Pennies2Cents

Mon, 27th Sep 2010, 12:21 AM

Okay, 3rd batch delivered. :)

We have 16 new babies.. Dad, still has a few in his mouth. We chased him around a bit and he actually spit them out in one of the nets we were using to catch him. (How nice of him) :)

Anyway... on to raising batch #3.... This is kinda fun! :)

Pennies2Cents

Thu, 10th Feb 2011, 12:35 PM

Bump New Batch Coming Soon! :) Should deliver by Valentines Day:wub::wub:... Keeping our fingers crossed.. He's got a big brood this time around...:angel:

Regric25

Tue, 1st Mar 2011, 07:48 PM

can't wait! :)

Europhyllia

Tue, 1st Mar 2011, 08:00 PM

Goodness Eve, where do you keep all these babies! lol

(and why are there not more pics?)

Pennies2Cents

Fri, 4th Mar 2011, 12:24 AM

Goodness Eve, where do you keep all these babies! lol

(and why are there not more pics?)

Lol.. Karin.. probably out of 20 babies our success rate so far is a whopping 4 out of 20 make it to adults... And the time period at which they become juveniles takes a while. :( We sold the only 4 we had to fellow maast members. 3 made the transition and lost one in the process..

Regric, I promise I will get your baby out... lol..

That was another experiment we had going on.. Of those that we were not able to catch when we stripped the male of the babies they went into the over flow.. We noted that the babies in the overflow grow twice as fast and eat alot more rather than the those who we have in the fuge chamber. But when transferred to the fuge from the overflow babies were subject to stress which ultimately caused their deaths. The fuge babies also were subject to the stress but eventually got used to my hands in their small tank space, as well as they got used to being fed with a turkey baster. And in the end were stronger & healthier.

Our last bunch.. was due on valentines day, needless to say we missed the due date... :( We thought babies were not ready yet, checked again on Wednesday and he had already released them into the tank. Who knows... maybe we have some in the over flows.

To be continued...