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phippsj
Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 09:52 PM
At this time a year ago I was hunting Craigslist looking for an aquarium. We ultimately bought this 180G in January. I then spent January through July working on various prep projects, including redoing the stand, getting the tank drilled in the back, to the big rockwork project.

Here is the initial thread.
http://www.maast.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50956&highlight=foam+rock+wall

Six months later I figured it was time to get some updated pics. I have STILL not finished the canopy... but should get that done by the end of the month. We have a clownfish, 2 red (Jazzy and Jeff) and 1 purple firefish, and a hawkfish (B-52...loves to dive. Oh yeah, we used to have 2 but one decided to jump out of the tank). We also have a purple tang (Prince) and an orange spot (Cameleous).

Not much in the way of Coral. A whole bunch of brown polyps that were hitchhikers from the live rock I bought. We also have the green star polyps and a frogspawn. Our favorite is the catus coral, which likes to be active at night. We have to feed it, but well worth it.

The fuge has macro algae as well as 2 dozen mangrove sprouts. It is also the home to our Zoas since Cameleous has a taste for them.

So far the rock wall panel thing has been good to us. The only major problem was that I had not sealed up a gap in the left panel and our purple tang got stuck behind there the first day in the tank. I had to rip apart the left wall to get the tang out. When I reassembled (much harder with water in the tank) I made sure to plug that gap! Unlike most rock walls, I left a gap back there intentionally for water flow, and have powerhead pull the water out.

Most of the rock I used was Marco rock. I thought I was going to have some serious issues becuase I did not cook it. Aside from slightly high phosphates, no real issues to complain of.

On to the foam debate, no complaints from me. I am also a newbie so I may not know what to be complaining about. I have florida marco, fiji marco, agrocrete and foam (covered with expoxy/sand). I have noticed some interesting trends with the coraline regarding the surfaces. The foam is quick to get covered by green coraline. The Florida Marco and the Agrocrete picked up a darker red coraline and little purple. The Fiji, however, seems to pick up the purple the fastest.

In terms of what got covered the fastest, the foam and the Fiji definately covered quickly. The agrocrete and the Florida marco were much more tedious. Perhaps because the foam and Fiji is more porous?

Now, I have noticed the the rock wall itself is a haven for all kinds of critters. Apparently amphipods love the wall. Fish can't get behind, so they go crazy there, almost like roaches. We also have starfish (very small) that look serpantine in nature (very long, skinny arms). Not sure if those are good or bad. They love the foam walls with all those nooks and crannies.

Anyways, here are some pics. I am *trying* not to move too quickly, but that is a challenge. I want to just drop everything in the world in there!

Lighting, by the way, is VHO T5's (Giesman powerchrome x2, one actinic and one true blue for a total of 4) and 3 MH's (2 1200K 250Watt and 1 20K 250W). My 20K bulb got broke (by me!), so when I replace that I will change over to 10K bulbs as well.

Here are some pics of the setup now.

saabtech
Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 10:03 PM
WOW! love the rock work. (sorry didnt look at prior post. is all of that rock man made or just most of it?

anyway that doesnt matter. that rock work is awsome.

Paul28
Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 11:40 PM
That tank is insane nice !!!!

Europhyllia
Sun, 27th Dec 2009, 11:44 PM
Very nice. I like it when the fish have names.
Lovely to see a red chili coral and sponges. Those are some of my favorites.

The picture of teh little clown looks like he's in the ocean!

tzhanks
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 12:10 AM
That is my favorite rock work that i have seen so far the tank looks awsome

Jordan N.
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 12:36 AM
That really is a gorgeous tank, some of the best rock work I have ever seen. Bee sure to keep this updated, I'm sure we all want to watch this develop.

-Jordan N.

Mr Cob
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 12:49 AM
Nice tank! Love the rock work. I'm a huge fan of rock work reaching out of the water....it makes for a very natural look.

phippsj
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 09:08 AM
WOW! love the rock work. (sorry didnt look at prior post. is all of that rock man made or just most of it?

anyway that doesnt matter. that rock work is awsome.

Some of the rock itself is manmade (argocrete), but most of the rock is either Florida or Fiji marco. I built 2'x2' panels and essentially put 9 very large pieces of marco rock on each panel, then foamed bewteen them with the pond foam. It's like mortar on a rock wall, only a bit wider. I then took out the dremmel and sculpted the foam so that it would look like the rock and then covered it with epoxy and argonite sand. Towards the end I figured out how to massage the drying foam so that it looked like Fiji rock which was much faster because I did not have to dremmel (and much less messy).

The concerns were about the foam degrading and falling apart. It is actually harder to break off pieces of the foam than it is to break some of the Fiji rock. The Florida marco, however, is dense/heavy/strong.

I look back and think that I could do so much better now.... but for a first stab at a reef tank I am happy. I guess the challenge now is how to start populating it. I see those tanks everybody else here has and they are just amazing. I have got to start getting coral in this thing!

Mr Cob
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 10:19 AM
I look back and think that I could do so much better now.... but for a first stab at a reef tank I am happy. I guess the challenge now is how to start populating it. I see those tanks everybody else here has and they are just amazing. I have got to start getting coral in this thing!


You'll have plenty of time and room to stock this thing! It really does look great and is going to be awesome when it's full of coral!

jesserettele
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 12:47 PM
Yes it looks like you'll have so many options and room to propigate because of how you aquascapped. I like the character! If I were a tang I would love racing around in that natural environment.

I am just starting out again and am re-thinking about how fast my 75 should be set up. I like the look of the foam with the rock.

You said that there are so many things that you would have done different, what would you do? I can't hardly imagine that you would want to change much. I really like the ravine as well as the columns. Were you able to hide your power heads behind the columns?

phippsj
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 12:54 PM
Yes it looks like you'll have so many options and room to propigate because of how you aquascapped. I like the character! If I were a tang I would love racing around in that natural environment.

I am just starting out again and am re-thinking about how fast my 75 should be set up. I like the look of the foam with the rock.

You said that there are so many things that you would have done different, what would you do? I can't hardly imagine that you would want to change much. I really like the ravine as well as the columns. Were you able to hide your power heads behind the columns?

I wanted to have all powerheads hidden, but the way I built I was not able to hide three of them. Yes, I would do things differently.

1) I would have cooked the marco rock. Newbie mistake. I also used charcoal initially in my sump... to make matters worse, it was not bagged. Very bad newbie mistake.

2) I like the pillar on the right, and I would rather have more like that. Small jutting shelfs off of the pillars allow for other rocks to be placed across... gives some flexibility to aquascape and change things around a bit (a plus when adding tangs!). I did some of that, I wish I had done more.

3) I would like to have made a large overhang. I did not do it because I was worried about water flow, etc. However, I think the shade would have been a nice bonus, and I think I could have desgined the edges (where the rock would have gone through the water) with foam so that it could have redirected the water around it.

4) I would have made the ravine wider. I actually have it backlight, so at night it glows a subtle blue. I was trying to make it glow in the day. I wish I could have fixed that... I wanted the blue to be vivid in the day, not glowing at night.

5) I think the biggest thing is I wish I had designed to have a wavebox from the beginning. That wavebox would have been integrated into my rockwork on the right side front... meaning I would have another panel for the side.

Thanks for all the compliments. Hopefully if someone else does this they can learn from my mistakes.

txav8r
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 02:13 PM
Rockwork looks great!

Mr.Schertz
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 02:49 PM
Thats tight!

joelb
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 03:18 PM
you are truly an artist!! do you dose anything for calcium? if you had been dosing with fiji gold for the last 6 months that tank would be covered in purple, power heads and all. very good job.

Goofball310
Mon, 28th Dec 2009, 09:57 PM
Your tank is coming along great and I really like the foam rockscaping.

ShAgMaN
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 01:40 AM
The fuge has macro algae as well as 2 dozen mangrove sprouts. It is also the home to our Zoas since Cameleous has a taste for them.


Your Orange Spot loved zoa's to huh.. I ended up having to part with mine after he tore the crap outa some of my zoa's in a couple days.

Wonder how many others have had probs with these guys?

phippsj
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 11:23 AM
you are truly an artist!! do you dose anything for calcium? if you had been dosing with fiji gold for the last 6 months that tank would be covered in purple, power heads and all. very good job.

No, I don't dose anything. I do water changes until my parameters are where they should be. I tried dosing for coraline one time and it threw everything out of whack. For now I will just stick with water changes.

jesserettele
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 11:25 AM
What type of dremel attachments did you use to create the porous look in the foam. Great work! I am thinking about doing the same, thanks for the great pics and all the status updates! Keep them coming.

phippsj
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 12:23 PM
What type of dremel attachments did you use to create the porous look in the foam. Great work! I am thinking about doing the same, thanks for the great pics and all the status updates! Keep them coming.

I used a series of the smaller domed grinding stones. I found out later, however, that as soom as the foam had created a skin I could press it down in various manners with a wood dowel. This would force the skin to collapse on itself, and it created a look which really mimicked the Fiji.

The benefit of dremmeling is that you can create tons of little holes. I have a bunch of bugs and criters that really like those. The drawback, however, is that applying the epoxy resign over the drilled portions of foam is VERY tedious. I think it was worth it because I was able to blend and smooth the foam so that it flowed from rock to rock. Now that it is getting covered in coraline I am having a hard time telling where foam ends and rock begins in some places. Other people have actually picked rock when I asked them to find the foam... I think a year or so from when there is coral all over it will really be seemless. *fingers crossed!*

hobogato
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 12:40 PM
very nice! like others have said, the rock going all the way to the surface of the water is interesting and makes the tank look very natural. looking forward to see the tank mature

samurhai
Tue, 29th Dec 2009, 05:13 PM
wow just simply amazing. maybe you could've created pockets to put the powerheads in? that would be pretty cool having the powerhead part of the rocks.