Vitamin c

[excal]

I like using kent vitamin c but I have heard of ppl using other vitamin c supplements . Was wondering if anyone uses Vitamin C sodium ascorbate crystal powder. I just got some from the vitamin shop I was wondering if anybody uses it. Input would be greatly appreciated. http://m.vitaminshoppe.com/mobile/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SR-5432&sourceType=sc&source=FG&adGroup=40-60&keyword=SR-5432&cm_mmc=Google+Shopping-_-Product+Listing+Ads-_-40-60-_-SR-5432&gclid=CLHOm9-l47wCFSXl7AodEzsAWA&gclsrc=aw.ds

[JVI90GREEF]

I use it everyday! MAKE SURE the kind you have is buffered, that's the key! How big is your tank?

[Dean]

I've been using it for a few weeks on my biocube. Already noticing some nice coloring up of zoanthids and palythoas.

I'm dosing half of the recommended dosage from an informative thread on R2R.

[JVI90GREEF]

Big things to take into consideration: must have a protein skimmer, must be buffered, dose before lights come on and after the lights go out (light speeds up the life cycle), and try and keep it away from your mechanical filtration as long as possible (if you can)

[JVI90GREEF]

I've been using for almost 5-6 months now...I swear by it!

[excal]

It's is buffered. My tank is 70 gallons of water.. I thinking 5ppm should be good. 5ppm X 70 X 3.785=1324.75 trying to see how much to dose

[excal]

1/2 teaspoon is 2.4g and 1/4 is 1.2g I'm needing 1.3 so I think 1/4 is okay so do I dose 1/4 before lights go on and 1/4 when light go off??

[Southern Flame]

is this vit C like we take and can buy at walmart? I would love for my candy apple reds to color up better and my candy apple pinks also

[JVI90GREEF]

Yes, whatever your dosage is, you'll want to dose it at least 30 min before the lights come on and anytime after the lights go out. Keep in mind Vit C has an 8 hour life cycle per dose, so make sure not to overlap. It's not the worst thing in the world if you miss a dose, just try to be as consistent as possible.

[Dean]

Sodium Ascorbate contains buffered Vitamin C. There is a thread on R2R that explains doses and others trials in its use. I will look for the thread and post a link. It definitely brings out color in zoas etc..

[JVI90GREEF]

is this vit C like we take and can buy at walmart? I would love for my candy apple reds to color up better and my candy apple pinks also

I wouldn't get it from walmart...I've gotten mine from iHerb or nutribiotic.

[Southern Flame]

how do you determine dose im horrible in math ha, I have 500mg tablets and a 90gal tank and 30gal sump

[JVI90GREEF]

Don't use the tablets! Lol You want the crystalline powder.

[Southern Flame]

Sodium Ascorbate contains buffered Vitamin C. There is a thread on R2R that explains doses and others trials in its use. I will look for the thread and post a link. It definitely brings out color in zoas etc..

awesome, thanks

[Southern Flame]

Don't use the tablets! Lol You want the crystalline powder.
ok, l'll have to look for it or does kent or another fish company make it?

[JVI90GREEF]

Go to one of the websites I listed and type in the search bar "sodium ascorbate vitamin c"...it will take you right to it. It should be 16oz for like $18 or so (shipped). This is going to be WAY more concentrated than anything you could find from a reef specific brand/company.

[excal]

Okay so 1/4 teaspoon at 1.2mg 30 mins before lights go on and when lights go off.. Will take pics and post them to see if color changes and growth.. Thanks for the help.. How long before you saw changes.

[Southern Flame]

Go to one of the websites I listed and type in the search bar "sodium ascorbate vitamin c"...it will take you right to it. It should be 16oz for like $18 or so (shipped). This is going to be WAY more concentrated than anything you could find from a reef specific brand/company.

Ok will do ty for your help :) I've never dosed before that why I have asked all the silly questions


90 gal reef <3 250 build<3

[Dean]

Here is the link. Very informative.

http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8931

[JVI90GREEF]

Do before pics tonight or tomorrow...dose for a month or until your first bottle is done, and then take the after pics...you'll be amazed! I'm still seeing positive results, currently...results really depend on how bad of shape your corals/tank are in (the worse shape they are in the more immediate the results). If you're doing it for tank maintenance and better coral growth and color, I would say 2 weeks or so. Also keep in mind that if you decide to bump up your dose, make sure you have been using your current dose for more than 5 days (at least).

And yes, I did read every single post in the Vit C thread on R2R (30+ pages worth)!

[excal]

Don't use tablets

[Southern Flame]

http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8931
thanks :)

[JVI90GREEF]

Ok will do ty for your help :) I've never dosed before that why I have asked all the silly questions


90 gal reef <3 250 build<3

You're welcome, glad I could help!Never a silly question, I don't mind at all...I'm the same way, I have to make EXTRA sure!

Be sure and take before and after pics!!!

[excal]

I got mine for 23 at vitamin shoppe http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t541/Excal85/91CE8217-5297-448A-8633-E11D526C78C3_zpskxdfnyp2.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/Excal85/media/91CE8217-5297-448A-8633-E11D526C78C3_zpskxdfnyp2.jpg.html)

[JVI90GREEF]

Here's the exact bottle you want...OH, be sure to refrigerate it once you open it!!!

23733

[excal]

I read as well just wanted to make sure I confirmed with someone on here who has had good results.. So question does moonlights have to be off as well.

[JVI90GREEF]

That exact bottle is $14 and change on iHerb...google their coupon code for first time buyers

[JVI90GREEF]

Moonlights are fine

[JVI90GREEF]

I read as well just wanted to make sure I confirmed with someone on here who has had good results.. So question does moonlights have to be off as well.

I posted B/A pics in the thread, so you probably saw them, in passing.

[Southern Flame]

Awesome will def be looking for it online :)

[Zephyr Aquatics]

Thanks for answering all the questions and giving us this info Joe!

[Southern Flame]

Besides price is there a difference bottle size ingredients ect?

[JVI90GREEF]

Thanks for answering all the questions and giving us this info Joe!

Of course bro! No sense in keeping knowledge to yourself...SPREAD IT!


Besides price is there a difference bottle size ingredients ect?

Nope, just more $ for more quantity...that's it

[Southern Flame]

Of course bro! No sense in keeping knowledge to yourself...SPREAD IT!



Nope, just more $ for more quantity...that's it
Ok and iherb don't take PayPal lol the vitamin shoppe does haha

[JVI90GREEF]

Wherever you get it, just make sure the description is the exact same

[Southern Flame]

Wherever you get it, just make sure the description is the exact same
I'm getting the bottle u posted a pic of I looked at both sites only one takes PayPal

[JVI90GREEF]

There you go! Be sure to take before pics!!!!

[Southern Flame]

There you go! Be sure to take before pics!!!!
I sure will, I love taking pics of my tank :)

[World Class Aquatics & Exotics]

Now you share your secret joe ;) lol

[Southern Flame]

Now you share your secret ;) lol

Who's secret raven?


90 gal reef <3 250 build<3

[excal]

Thanks joe for answering all I had asked.. I appreciate it

[JVI90GREEF]

Now you share your secret joe ;) lol

I pick my spots! 😎


Thanks joe for answering all I had asked.. I appreciate it

Anytime! I'm glad I knew enough about the subject to share. Be sure and post pics too!

[jcnkt_ellis]

Ok, so I just spent the last hour reading through various threads, including most of the linked one above, and it seems that vitamin c dosing is another form of carbon dosing (i.e. vodka dosing) with possibly some health benefits to our tank inhabitants. Am I missing anything?

[FireWater]

Not from what I read. That's the super short version.

[jcnkt_ellis]

Not from what I read. That's the super short version.

Can an you post the links? I'm interested, but I have a fish less nano tank so my bio load is too small to dose if vitamin c only acts as another source of carbon.

Side effects I've found so far:
- increased skimmate production
- increased cyano / red slime blooms
- clogged reactors from over production of bacteria

All of that is inline with the introduction of a new carbon source...

[FireWater]

I just googled and then started reading. I found articles from back to 2010.
I looked into vitC dosing when I was trying to figure out if I wanted to run bio-pellets or look for another source. I had settled on a vinegar dosing set up before the decision to break down my tank came up.

Any carbon source runs the risk of causing the issues you stated.

[jcnkt_ellis]

Any carbon source runs the risk of causing the issues you stated.

But that's my concern John, it is a carbon source and the benefits and cons described are the same as dosing vinegar/vodka/etc. I haven't been able to find one definitive health benefit that differentiates Vitamin C dosing from other carbon dosing. My tank is sumpless, skimmerless, and fishless, I don't need to dose carbon, but if it makes my SPS grow faster, I'm game.

[JVI90GREEF]

But that's my concern John, it is a carbon source and the benefits and cons described are the same as dosing vinegar/vodka/etc. I haven't been able to find one definitive health benefit that differentiates Vitamin C dosing from other carbon dosing. My tank is sumpless, skimmerless, and fishless, I don't need to dose carbon, but if it makes my SPS grow faster, I'm game.

Skimmer is a MUST! I wouldn't run Vit C without one.

[Dean]

With so little bioload in your tank I would not think you would have any issues dosing Sodium Ascorbate. I took the advice from one of the many threads I read and started with half of the recommended dose in a 29 gallon biocube. No additional sump, nano skimmer and 6 fish. The tank was clean when I started and remains clean. All I have as far as corals in this one is softies so I can only atest that it has made a very noticeable difference in color brightness and color definition in zoas and palys. I have not dosed my 65 yet because it is not yet running clean enough. I am extremely curious as to what it may do for my lps and sps housed in that one though. Just my two cents and experience so far.

[JVI90GREEF]

With so little bioload in your tank I would not think you would not have any issues dosing Sodium Ascorbate. I took the advice from one of the many threads I read and started with half of the recommended dose in a 29 gallon biocube. No additional sump, nano skimmer and 6 fish. The tank was clean when I started and remains clean. All I have as far as corals in this one is softies so I can only atest that it has made a very noticeable difference in color brightness and color definition in zoas and palys. I have not dosed my 65 yet because out is not yet running clean enough. Just my two cents and experience so far.

The difference is you have a skimmer...that's the bare minimum requirement from all the reading I've done. I would hate to see someone use it without a skimmer and turn their whole system upside down.

[FireWater]

I'm in a class and supposed to be paying attention so I didn't go all the way through this. Talks about skimmer less and dosing VitC, lps and softies being bacteria consumers, ph crash, and I didn't see anything about sps I'm the quick glance.

http://www.carolinafishtalk.com/forum/reef-coral-discussion/34324-dosing-vitamin-c-round-two-skimmerless-tank.html

[jcnkt_ellis]

Thank you John, the article was a good read and points to being able to carbon dose in moderation in a skimmerless setup. Also, from their discussion, it seems like the benefit of Vitamin C, or any carbon source, is the increased bacterial population that soft corals may be feeding on to spur growth. Considering the age of the article, I wonder if any additional research has been done. I appreciate everyone's responses and will have to do more reading to see if there is any benefit to SPS outside of general nitrate reduction in the tank.

[FireWater]

That was just the first one I found on a quick search. I will have to try to go back in on my iPad and see if I saved any of the ones when I was researching different carbon sources.

[excal]

If I use vitamin c do I have to stop using fuel by seachem

[Dean]

If I use vitamin c do I have to stop using fuel by seachem

Good question! I just bought some Fuel from Terry a couple of weeks ago. I was waiting to see if there were any negative nutrient effects from dosing the Vitamin C before I started using Fuel. So far so good and am planning on introducing it to my tank on Sunday after my water change.

[FireWater]

Fuel is a trace element supplement. Vitamin C is a carbon source. Different things. Just remember that the more stuff you put in tank the more you have to take out or worry about.

[excal]

Well I have 70 gallons of water and my skimmer is rated for 300 gallons.. I do weekly water changes with ro water. All my pentameter are good and I test my water every two weeks.. Only reason I asked about seachem fuel is because it has Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C) 5.0mg ingredients: chlorella, Ascorbic Acid, niacin, calcium, pantothenate, riboflavin, thiamine, choline, chloride, inositol, vitamin b12, potassium iodide, manganese sulfate, sodium molybdate, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, zinc sulfate, cobalt sulfate, stannous chloride.