elegant 105 ;)

[Big_Pun]

so im back to the medium tank section on build 9 or 10(whos counting) . so after moving cable modem, the tank sits in its new home. stop by autozone picked up some 2.5% tint and applied it. came out nice will see how it looks in day light, hopefully i wont have to start over lol.

tank will have all my gear from previous tank, sump, return pumps, skimmer, reactors, bio pellets, and reef keeper elite. will be using vertex illumina fixture which is a 4 foot so fits this tank perfect. im hoping with the tank home with me i can get all my coral back to tip top shape and thriving again.
plan on getting a vertex skimmer and the color modules for led fixture, i may go to a Apex (still very happy with reef keep elite).

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[new2dis]

Nice. Seen this at elegant for a while glad someone finally bought it. I almost did twice!!!

[Big_Pun]

Nice. Seen this at elegant for a while glad someone finally bought it. I almost did twice!!!

he always has one in stock im sure another will be there to tempt more people.



Still not sure if i should do 2 mp-40 on side walls or two 10's on back wall.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

mp40s you would be maxing out your 10s on that rimless
after thinking about it 2 mp10s on back wall may work too lol

[Big_Pun]

mp40s you would be maxing out your 10s on that rimless
after thinking about it 2 mp10s on back wall may work too lol

my thinking is on the back wall they would be pushing water in a 24 x 24 x 21 area so really not a big area for them, same thing if placed on the sides.

[Big_Pun]

well that answers my question22678

[new2dis]

I have 1 mp40. Moves alot of water but also moves sand in under tow, accumulates under powerhead. Also have hydor on opposite side on back wall to supplement flow. Thinking about getting Jeb WP40 instead.

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[joelozano]

2 MP40s definately way to go

[Reefnub]

Yes 2 mp 40s, I have 2 on my 65 with a lot of sps even if their dead and I have it on reef crest at 100%


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[Justin]

I was a big fan of your last tank. Looking forward to this build!

[Big_Pun]

I was a big fan of your last tank. Looking forward to this build!

Thank you appreciate the comment. the goal is to organize all the electrical this time mount things high out of the way.

[350gt]

6 wp40s bro!!!.....

[Big_Pun]

6 wp40s bro!!!.....

please keep this thread on track ......lmao


in month ill have one wp working !!!

[Big_Pun]

22695


asleep..............

22696

[reefreak]

Looking good! I really like that led fixture.

[Big_Pun]

well smelled like death this morn in my house. im sure ill loose a few things but thats how it goes. just a few sps are looking really bad, all fish look fine, havent seen the yellow or radiant wrasse yet but i expected that. ahh i will be back and better!!


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[Reefnub]

You said you wanted more room for new sps lol.


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[Big_Pun]

You said you wanted more room for new sps lol.


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thats exactly how im looking at it. garf, oregon look fine so im good. im a lil bummed but hey thats why i love this hobby!

[Big_Pun]

well i get to start over!!!

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[Reefnub]

Wow I didn't think you would lose that much. Holy s$$$


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[Reefnub]

Got new pics of rock layout and new sps now that tanks clear.


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[clowndude]

Hang in there man. Use this time to build the tank the exact way you want it bro.

[Reefnub]

Crazy

[slm222]

How were you able to add water and move everything in so fast? Without the long drawn out process of cycling?

[FireWater]

How were you able to add water and move everything in so fast? Without the long drawn out process of cycling?

By going from an established tank to another it can be done. But, like Chris posted, he had major issues leading to a total crash. Anything can happen.

[The_wolfeman]

O I got it all planed out just need the cash to get started. All I have right now is the tank lol. Only thing with taking your time is if you buy anything and wait to use it they already have something better out. Part of the game I guess. Are there things you still want to do different?


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I think he was talking to big pun. The one who started this thread...


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[Big_Pun]

so everyone can learn from my mistake, heres what happen. i got a lil to confident having done many moves of my own for friends and for elegant reef. i didnt come up with a back up plan incase things went bad. usually rock isnt out of water too long, but this ended up being a 8-10 hour move. after a few set backs with plumbing and other lil things, water temps dropping and lots of die off from rocks i crashed my tank. ammonia spiked killed a few fish and stressing the heck out of others. i did a quick 30g change and added 5x dose of prime, then proceeded to mix 30g of tap water(primed used again). tank has settled and clearing up, but i have no sps left after this crash. i feel bad and should have moved coral to friends tanks and then tore down and re set up, a holding tank for the fish should of been used rock stored in brute with pumps,i then could of take time setting up tank.

so im not getting out, i love this hobby too much. i have a bunch of my stuff banked in a few friends tanks and ill will be able to start over and be back better this go round.

[KING]

Maybe all that candy yall eat slowed yall down a lil..lol
But really..Sorry to hear..

[Reefnub]

Sorry Cris, didn't know it was to that extent. That sucks! And yes I know I responded thinking bigpun said take it slow setting up the tank and realized this after posting and hopes everyone looked past it but guess not thanks for pointing it out lol


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[BBQHILLBILLY]

sorry for the sps loss Chris

[jrossjr79]

Wow, just now reading this, sorry for all the SPS loss, but I am sure you will bounce right back with no problems.

[Big_Pun]

any body need calcium for there reactors lol!!!

[Justin]

My condolences on your tank man. You had some truly beautiful SPS colonies. But as you said, it's part of the territory in this crazy hobby of ours. I lost a bunch of my favorites corals, including a truly epic digi I got from you because of a faulty wire/driver or something on a DIY LED fixture that dropped in PAR and eventually bleached my corals out. The sad thing was that I didn't know the PAR was low until I borrowed a meter. Anyway, I feel your pain but I know this tank will be epic like the last one.

[Big_Pun]

My condolences on your tank man. You had some truly beautiful SPS colonies. But as you said, it's part of the territory in this crazy hobby of ours. I lost a bunch of my favorites corals, including a truly epic digi I got from you because of a faulty wire/driver or something on a DIY LED fixture that dropped in PAR and eventually bleached my corals out. The sad thing was that I didn't know the PAR was low until I borrowed a meter. Anyway, I feel your pain but I know this tank will be epic like the last one.

thank you. what digi, i have stuff banked in a few friends tanks, maybe i can track it down

[CoryDude]

When you're back up I've got a frag of the blue tort, skittles stylo, and your blue Millie.

[lt1z28]

It sucks when you dedicate so much time to grow sps and then end up losing them. I lost about a dozen colonies to aefw. My remaining acros are in quarantine and have responded very well to weekly dips in bayer. They are already showing signs of growth! You are welcome to frags of what I have left when you are ready to add sps.

[Big_Pun]

thanks for the offer im going to wait 2 months atleast before sps. i appreciate it. fish death has stopped few wrasses out hunting in rocks, clowns are being jerks picked tail off radiant wrasse while it was laying in corner.

im enjoying my fowlr ;)

[350gt]

DO A FOWLR TANK ROOKIE


:bigsmile:

[Joe31]

I have some tx trash palys, teal palys, and ORA aptasia for you when your ready. Just let me know...haha

[CoryDude]

Dude, it's reset time. I used my crash from the aefw treatment as an excuse to dry out and bleach the rock. I took whatever frags I had left and remounted them and used qt and dips to start the tank clean of unwanted pests.

[Big_Pun]

Dude, it's reset time. I used my crash from the aefw treatment as an excuse to dry out and bleach the rock. I took whatever frags I had left and remounted them and used qt and dips to start the tank clean of unwanted pests.

i keep looking at the tank as a blank
canvas. i have seven frags from jason fox in a friends tank that will be ready in a few months, and some others on my list of sps, and a few cool zoas.

update fish are more active eating a lil, anemone split but looks to ok now.

[Scutterborn]

That's good to hear, Chris. I've started to get turned around on SPS and should have some frags when you're ready as well. I am, however about to swap tanks and I am worried this will occur with my move as well.


-Ben-

[Big_Pun]

That's good to hear, Chris. I've started to get turned around on SPS and should have some frags when you're ready as well. I am, however about to swap tanks and I am worried this will occur with my move as well.


-Ben-

i know what i did wrong and should have took the chance, also your just resetting in same house its a whole diff story, if you need any of my gear let me know.

[Big_Pun]

well looks like the worst is done!

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[Scuba Sam]

Sorry to hear that bro! Let me know if you need any zoas. I have a few colonies we could frag up.

[Big_Pun]

im going through a full blown cycle now. oh its been so many years since ive had to cycle a tank.

plan is to nix all my old rock and buy dry rock. i want to start all over.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

if you wanna borrow some magic sand lmk

[350gt]

Hahahaha....

[Big_Pun]

if you wanna borrow some magic sand lmk

i make my own magic ;) lol

[350gt]

Yup he made everything disappear in hours.......


Magic!!! Lmao

[Big_Pun]

Yup he made everything disappear in hours.......


Magic!!! Lmao

exactly now hold onto your chones, cause the best part is when they reappear

[KING]

Lmao...

[ramsey]

im going through a full blown cycle now. oh its been so many years since ive had to cycle a tank.

plan is to nix all my old rock and buy dry rock. i want to start all over.

Sorry to hear about this man. I've barely started to see good growth on my SPS and it would suck really bad to lose them. I can't imagine losing a big colony I've had for years!

Starting over is probably a good idea. No need to ditch your old rock though, bleach it real good, dry it out, then give it an acid bath and dry it out. It worked great for me and was like having new rock. Do a search on reefcentral and you'll find threads on how to do it. Good luck and hopefully I'll have some SPS frags to spare once you're ready. I have some German blue digi that I got from Shane and assume he got it from you along with some other nice ones that might be on your list. Just holler at me when you're ready.

[CoryDude]

im going through a full blown cycle now. oh its been so many years since ive had to cycle a tank.

plan is to nix all my old rock and buy dry rock. i want to start all over.

Well, it took you over a week but I'm glad you decided to go this route.

[Big_Pun]

well i was bored today and decided to setup Reef Keeper and organize wires. just need bio pellet reactor and ill be set oh and kalk reactor.


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[Big_Pun]

all back to normal! moved in all the coral from 27g, ill pick what i want and sell the rest. i have big plans for coral on this tank. just need to hook up kalk reactor and let the tank go on cruise control.

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[BBQHILLBILLY]

That rimless looks awesome

[Big_Pun]

So I think I'm done equipment wise added kalk reactor, and shorty reactor for carbon. RKE is programmed to do what I need. Light is dialed in also. All parameters are stable and where they need to be. I'm really enjoying this tank, Sps will be added soon and the fun will begin.


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[Dean]

Very nice tank. What type of sps will you go with?

[Big_Pun]

I have addiction for stix! I have few that I banked from my last tank in friends tanks. also 7 pieces from jason fox that a buddy is holding(we went half). the two I'm looking forward too are my garf bonsai, Oregon tort. I've been testing parameters and the tank is starting to stable out. I'm shooting for January


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[350gt]

I have addiction for stix!


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😝

[Big_Pun]

😝

one day you will be able to keep them "up"


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[350gt]

one day you will be able to keep them "up"


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Said your colonies that went into the trash can....

[Big_Pun]

Said your colonies that went into the trash can....

in a bucket outside


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[Big_Pun]

update for Christmas Eve

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[Big_Pun]

Update

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[slm222]

What's your stocking list for fish?

[Big_Pun]

-pair of clown fish (Ora snow flake, clownfish usa domino Picasso)
-yellow corris wrasse
-melanarus wrasse
-radiant wrasse
-possum wrasse
-green chromis
-yellow watchman
-two spot bristle tooth tang
-harlequin shrimp

[LuckySingh]

Chris hows the leds r coming along

[clone]

Looking good bro. I will catch back up soon. I kinda started to get that bug again.

[Big_Pun]

Looking good bro. I will catch back up soon. I kinda started to get that bug again.

you got my number, need to do lil get together here, drink some beverages maybe I'll make something to eat on new to smoker (thanks john).

[Big_Pun]

Chris hows the leds r coming along

I'm loving them need to save and get multicolor modules, but as is it looks great. you need to swing by check it out, I have massive growth tips on my tester SPS acro in there.


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[alton]

Looking good Chris

[reefreak]

Never thought I'd hear that from Chris haha! Looking good though dude.

[Big_Pun]

Never thought I'd hear that from Chris haha! Looking good though dude.

same here! the reefing world is upside down

[clone]

you got my number, need to do lil get together here, drink some beverages maybe I'll make something to eat on new to smoker (thanks john).

Dude you know I'm always down for beer and bbq

[Big_Pun]

new addition thanks Sergio!

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[Tx Lil Reefer]

Very nice, is this a vertical monti?

[Big_Pun]

Very nice, is this a vertical monti?

digitata


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[Big_Pun]

http://youtu.be/16Sa8Hi_LWYshort video of tank

[Zack]

What are those green zoos on the left side? The large colony?

[Big_Pun]

What are those green zoos on the left side? The large colony?

they are yellow it's morph of la lakers I've had a while. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/10/ybazyher.jpg

[Big_Pun]

tank has been doing well, weekly water changes and monthly sump cleaning helps. Louis wanted me to empty the sump and dry vac it once a month see how things go. I put all the cheato and rocks in a bucket of water and then process to drain it and dry vac all sediment. I though they may hurt pod population but it hasn't. I'm still just dosing kalk through reactor via ATO. and running dr Tim's waste away and Eco balance. last test had everything a lil high in alk and calcium so I lowered the stir of kalk reactor to twice a day from 6 times a day to lower the saturation of mix.


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[alton]

Chris has the low nitrates hurt your LPS any? I recently ran into an issue where I have undetectable Nitrates and my some of my LPS don't look so hot? SPS looks awesome, Hybred Frogspawn looks fine but my regular Frogspawn and others don't look as good. I turned off my Rhowaphos reactor.

[FireWater]

I had the same issue Alton. Lower the nitrate the worse softies and lps looked. I countered by regular high quality feedings. Then I just let my nitrates creep up a little and kept them in check.

[Big_Pun]

no issues with acans, candy canes, and Duncan's they all look healthy and happy, leathers where doing well, I actually have a frag my devils hand left behind and is growing fast. I do not feed or dose anything extra.

[alton]

Tank looks good Chris

[Big_Pun]

Tank looks good Chris

thank you

[LuckySingh]

Looks nice bro

[Paul28]

Tanks looking good man :)

[Reefnub]

Wow tank looks good man! Are you still running bio pellets?


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[Big_Pun]

Wow tank looks good man! Are you still running bio pellets?


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hey tony yes still running bio pellets. had to take kalk reactor off line, ph and alk is getting too high and I almost lost all my zoas, Sps are fine. I may just put less kalk to keep saturation down and also have pump mix reactor only twice a day. another option I'm thinking is when I get the apex up and programmed to have another pump to dose fresh water during day and then kalk at night.

[Reefnub]

I had taken pellets offline due to them not working anymore and started dosing vinegar which got the nitrates down but I noticed my sponges started to disappear and are basically gone now. I also noticed my hammers are not growing like they were and the skin has receded from the sand up to the heads. I think either the corals are feeding off the pellets or from me being able to feed more so everything was way better off using pellets. That's just what I have noticed. But just what I have noticed. Yea I would just put less kalk to sole that issue man.


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[Reefnub]

Do you dose bacteria for the pellets and if so what kind


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[Big_Pun]

Do you dose bacteria for the pellets and if so what kind


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dr tim waste away and Eco balance, once a month refresh

[Big_Pun]

few shots from this evening

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[Reefnub]

Looks good bro but I see yo missing a lot of sps!


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[Big_Pun]

Looks good bro but I see yo missing a lot of sps!


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there is some in there I have garf and Oregon and blue milli coming back to me soon. just need to get this tank stable, keep getting lil hick ups, hopefully with new controller I'll have a some better insight to what is going on and be able to fine tune my system.

so far it's been an easy adjustment but still fun!
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[Reefnub]

Nice I'm sure it will even out nicely.


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[Big_Pun]

so far the tank is stable ph holding decent with ato through kalk reactor, temp is only swinging 1-2 degrees

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[Reefnub]

Nice man! I can't wait to get mine going too


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[Big_Pun]

well got apex fusion running and so far I like it. but as always the crap hits the fan and a return pump went out, but a trick I learned was to plan ahead. my tank has two returns now most people run one big pump, I run 2 small pumps incase one goes out I still have one running. waiting for sicce to respond to warranty claim

[Justin]

Nice to see you got the Apex up running. I love my Apex system. Just got back from a trip in Ireland, but while I was there I noticed my ph took a dive and asked my house sitter to check out my ATO reservoir. Sure enough, the rigid tubing was stuck against the side and not letting the Kalk into the system. It was really nice to be able to see my tank parameters from the other side of the "pond" and do a spot correction and save my critters. For the money, you can't beat an Apex system. Now if they can only get their email notification system fixed I would all setup.

[Big_Pun]

Nice to see you got the Apex up running. I love my Apex system. Just got back from a trip in Ireland, but while I was there I noticed my ph took a dive and asked my house sitter to check out my ATO reservoir. Sure enough, the rigid tubing was stuck against the side and not letting the Kalk into the system. It was really nice to be able to see my tank parameters from the other side of the "pond" and do a spot correction and save my critters. For the money, you can't beat an Apex system. Now if they can only get their email notification system fixed I would all setup.

I'm running fusion and it's great, still in beta but works pretty well. setting up contact info is better it will email or text with alarms now. very easy to set up

[Dean]

I need to visit one of you guys that are running these automated systems to get some down low.

[Big_Pun]

I need to visit one of you guys that are running these automated systems to get some down low.

just gotta ask and catch me home lol

[clone]

Any updates chris?

[Big_Pun]

Any updates chris?

I don't want to talk about it

[350gt]

Newb

[Big_Pun]

Newb

nope advanced aquarist

[Zack]

Hope all is well Chris!

[Big_Pun]

battling hair algae, I took my tank back to square one after many problems. I'm running red seas no-po-x ona dosing pump and so far it's doing great. po-no lowered and hair algae turning brown

tony newbs give up and sell tanks I kept going and won't quit!

[Flyride95]

If you do not mind. Why did you go with the no-po-x instead of dosing vodka or vinegar? I am too battling gha and am about to start dosing vodka.


180gal + 30gal sump with an awesome wave.

[Big_Pun]

cause I like to try new things, honestly that's why. I did bio pellets when no one would, new lights and skimmers I get bored.

4days skim after doubling to full dose
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[Flyride95]

Wow that is insane. I went on the Red Sea site and it says it is a carbon source that bacteria thrive on.


180gal + 30gal sump with an awesome wave.

[Big_Pun]

Wow that is insane. I went on the Red Sea site and it says it is a carbon source that bacteria thrive on.


180gal + 30gal sump with an awesome wave.

it has methanol as main ingredient

[Big_Pun]

and it's gone http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/10/ygypudug.jpg

[Reefnub]

Do over or what?


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[Big_Pun]

nuvo 16 for a while

[Scutterborn]

tony newbs give up and sell tanks I kept going and won't quit!


Newb. 😜

- Ben -

[Big_Pun]

Newb. 😜

- Ben -

bryopsis is a newb thing

[Scutterborn]

bryopsis is a newb thing

That's below the belt, cowboy. Low blow. 😣


- Ben -

[Big_Pun]

That's below the belt, cowboy. Low blow. 😣


- Ben -

I've hAd it twice

[Justin]

Sorry to hear about the Hair algae, Chris. I've been battling some Bryopsis that I failed to notice when I transferred some zoa frags I got for someone into my DT. Now the stuff is crazy annoying to see flowing on my rocks near my "sticks." The good news is I am upgrading to a 100 gallon tank soon and I can dip my rock in H2O2 to kill the stuff properly once and for all.

I had a question for you. When you eventually moved your stuff over to your new tank, did you:

Dump the old sand and replace it with new stuff
Did you have to recycle your tank or just transferring the rock and stuff was enough to protect the bacteria
Did you wait awhile before transferring your SPS and/or nem's?

[Justin]

Sorry for the long post but I'm trying to be super cautious about moving stuff over, esp. my SPS and nem, to the upgraded tank.

[Big_Pun]

always start with new sand, my mistake was I didn't store rock in water and it died off, when I set up tank it caused a crash(in 105). look up my 150 thread, that was a successful tank transfer, I moved all the rock and coral from 75g tank straight into 150, used 50g old water and new sand. after 1-2 weeks I moved all the Sps from my 70g into the 150. I didn't loose a thing in that transfer.

as for bryopsis if it's on a few rocks you can toss out then toss them out. peroxide doesn't kill it completely and I noticed pop back up. tech m work great but get a good test kit and stay on top of it, some of your coral will not like the increase in mag and stress or die.

[Justin]

Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about storing my new stuff in with some old water, and some pods I grow for my mandarin. Its a shame to hear that h2o2 does not really do anything to kill the bryopsis. As the nuance is on a price rock formation that I want in the new setup, I will just have to dunk the rock in a H202 bath for a couple of hours, rinse and then store it in a tub with tank water and a bunch of Tech M to hopefully eradicate the problem completely.

[Big_Pun]

takes a few weeks for tech m to work

[Justin]

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I really like the idea of having two return pumps. Do you mind taking a pic and posting of how you plumbed the pumps?

[Big_Pun]

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I really like the idea of having two return pumps. Do you mind taking a pic and posting of how you plumbed the pumps?

tank is long gone and sold. the over flow had two drains and two returns. so one pump to each return, I also like using vinyl tube on my returns and drains, easier to remover if anything happens

[Big_Pun]

sold

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