Miracle Mud

[Big_Pun]

lets get back to some reefing! so the 27 cube has hit a funk, parameters fine but just wasn't stabilizing like i want. i added a skimmer to cpr fuge it did ok, still coral looking drab and some cyano and other issues. so today ill start a log on fiji mud. i put 5lb in the cpr hob fuge which gave me a good 1.5-1.75 inch mud bed which is perfect. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/05/amenyme7.jpg

[350gt]

We need tank pics!

[Big_Pun]

so here are some pics of tank today.
first impression is this stuff is dirty! lol
but after putting my hand to move it around to spread it evenly; it doesnt stick to you at all like "mud". water is cloudy so im going to fill it drain it, then fill and let settle for 4-6 hours see how it looks.

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[koa25]

Nice. Following along. I planned on using this stuff in setting up my tank.

[Big_Pun]

and the tank is up and running!
a lil cloudy but i added new water, basically water change.

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[Scutterborn]

I'm still finding that Leng Sy runs it at 1" depth. I've seen others run it slightly deeper.

[Big_Pun]

im right over an inch now that i got paws in and spread it out. now its feng shui

[350gt]

No miracles in this hobby.......... Just sayin ;)

[Big_Pun]

No miracles in this hobby.......... Just sayin ;)

nope but i like new challenges

[Reefnub]

Yea I would like to include this in my 190g build and try it too. From what I have seen and read you will get good colors In fish and coral with less algae and all will be healthier. I will be watching the difference it makes in yo little tank. Can't wait hurry up mud.

[stephaniegarcia06]

Yeah. Hurry up so I can see what miracles it performs and decide if I want it in my tank(s) or not. Will it make my fish walk on water?

:D

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[ramsey]

It's best to use it with a ton of purple up. Add a bunch of zeovit and brightwell products too. You'll wake up the next morning to a tank full of mature SPS colonies and coralline so thick it's on your stand.

Just joking! Obviously.

I am thinking of using some of this in my macro tank, mostly for mangroves. Curious to see if you notice any difference with it.

[Big_Pun]

so my fish died and then came back to life ......... umm not really!

everything looked great before i left to class, ill do do some test tomorrow for a base line. some lps that had been deflated perked up so they liked something that got stirred up. skimmer was put back on, only dosing zeovit nano pack every other day starting today.

[FireWater]

So, you are dosing something new as well as the Fiji mud? How are you going to know what is affecting the best results?

[Scutterborn]

Especially since your depth is greater than 1".

[350gt]

So, you are dosing something new as well as the Fiji mud? How are you going to know what is affecting the best results?


Yup!.... I was told by leroy you dont have to dose when using MIRACLE mud...:shades:

[Big_Pun]

So, you are dosing something new as well as the Fiji mud? How are you going to know what is affecting the best results?

zeo product only feeds the corals. so its not going addressing the other issues in the tank and water parameters. i wont see tank for another week so im sure emily wont dose, especially since she hasnt touched the zeo since i purchased it 3 months ago.

[Big_Pun]

update: everything is looking happy or happier. zoas are perking up and so are all the acans.

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[CoryDude]

I remember gabe pricing a couple of bags for me but it was too expensive. Did the price ever drop?

[Big_Pun]

I remember gabe pricing a couple of bags for me but it was too expensive. Did the price ever drop?

no! its a lil pricey and requires 50% change every year

[350gt]

Some dont even have tanks up that long... Lol

[allan]

no! its a lil pricey and requires 50% change every year

Chris, you can't reef on a budget!

:)


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[Scutterborn]

Chris, you can't reef on a budget!

:)


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He's not, Allan. He's running nearly twice the depth he's supposed to. That costs even more.

:)

[350gt]

He's not, Allan. He's running nearly twice the depth he's supposed to. That costs even more.

:)


Thats mafia official policy.....

[Big_Pun]

He's not, Allan. He's running nearly twice the depth he's supposed to. That costs even more.

:)

you still havent showed me where 1.25 inches will not work, instructions say one inch but nothing about exceeding!

[Scutterborn]

Thats mafia official policy.....

Mafia policy is to overspend? Hmm.

[350gt]

Mafia policy is to overspend? Hmm.



Yup..... And to smile while doing it!...

[Big_Pun]

:bigsmile:

[allan]

In the 82nd we had a saying, "it's not about meeting the standard, paratroopers exceed all standards".

That's why the marines follow the deuce everywhere.


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[Reefnub]

I have seen tests done on you tube with these products and I can't remember which mud was better but the best one had lest algae on glass and sps growth was better and water was clearer. Each tank was same size, same sump, same skimmers, same amount of live rock and same size sps and same sps in each tank and also same light. Pretty cool to see. Guess I need to find it again.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

any measurements to compare before and after, heard all good, lol im not sold yet

[Big_Pun]

I have seen tests done on you tube with these products and I can't remember which mud was better but the best one had lest algae on glass and sps growth was better and water was clearer. Each tank was same size, same sump, same skimmers, same amount of live rock and same size sps and same sps in each tank and also same light. Pretty cool to see. Guess I need to find it again.


lol!

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[Reefnub]

Ok I think maybe that's the stuff lol

[BBQHILLBILLY]

really awesome idea, reviews state maybe replenish 50% every 2 years heres a link
http://www.ecosystemaquarium.com/products/marine/miraclemud/miracle-mud/

[Big_Pun]

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[BBQHILLBILLY]

I have a 45RR cube/40B converted to 3 chamber sump/refug, I may be able to test. Getting some parameters first in; PO4 1ppm NO3 is 3ppm

[Big_Pun]

update: tank has bounced back did a water change two days ago. cyano all gone but i use waste away on this tank also. coral has bounced back and back to almost 100%. its nice seeing all Emily's pretty zoas bounce back. mud still looks great, will add a rooting caulerpa soon. side note sps looking great in the tank again.

[350gt]

Bet the water change helped more than anything...... Ijs

[Big_Pun]

Bet the water change helped more than anything...... Ijs

yea its part of it, im going to test tonight and stop dosing anything see if parameters change.

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[saltyh2o]

Anymore on how the mud is working out for you?

[Big_Pun]

waiting till i get hard numbers, as of now everything looks great, not dosing dr tims waiting a few more days and ill test parameters

[saltyh2o]

Thanks dude. I'm thinking about trying this on the new 40B before the 150.

[Big_Pun]

ok so did a couple tests today, its been about two weeks since a water change. nitrates 0, phosphates .03, alk 7dkh. haven't dosed anything in a month. the fuge is full of critters, lots of shrimp(look at pics closely), i have culerpa and cheato in fuge.

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[OUCH!]

Looks really good every thing looks happy. My have to try some.

[Big_Pun]

those of you interested be sure to use the instructed amount needed and also 1-1.5 inches of depth.

[Scutterborn]

those of you interested be sure to use the instructed amount needed and also 1-1.5 inches of depth.

Yes. 1-1.5". What do the rest of your numbers look like?

[Big_Pun]

Yes. 1-1.5". What do the rest of your numbers look like?

also the correct amount needed for the volume of your tank

[Dean]

I am using MM in my medium CPR HOB refugium for my 30 gallon rectangle. The tank has been up and running for 4 weeks. I do a 10% water change every Sunday and my levels are all spotless. Ammonia 0ppm Nitrate 0ppm Nitrite 0ppm Phosphate 0ppm. I had my LFS test it this past week to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong and he said my tank hadn't cycled yet! LOL I know it has because I have tested since day one. My cycle occurred in the first 3 days. So, that being said, I don't know if it is the MM or not but it certainly doesn't hurt anything. I have some scroll algea in the refugium right now but because of lighting issues it isn't going to make it so I will be putting some chaeto in this weekend.

[Big_Pun]

I am using MM in my medium CPR HOB refugium for my 30 gallon rectangle. The tank has been up and running for 4 weeks. I do a 10% water change every Sunday and my levels are all spotless. Ammonia 0ppm Nitrate 0ppm Nitrite 0ppm Phosphate 0ppm. I had my LFS test it this past week to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong and he said my tank hadn't cycled yet! LOL I know it has because I have tested since day one. My cycle occurred in the first 3 days. So, that being said, I don't know if it is the MM or not but it certainly doesn't hurt anything. I have some scroll algea in the refugium right now but because of lighting issues it isn't going to make it so I will be putting some chaeto in this weekend.

sorry but your lfs is correct, a cycle is more than an ammonia spike and drop, this isnt fresh water. there will be many more spikes and other things happen before your tank is fully "cycled". nothing in this hobby good happens fast. things will change as you add fish and the bio load goes up, so dont toot your horn just yet.
if you need further help on your tank feel free to start a new thread and there are many good fellow salties that can help around here.

[Dean]

The tank I spoke of is my new one. I have a second that is nearly a year old so I am fully aware of cycles. I was not trying to "toot any horns" I was just chiming in with my experience so far with Miracle Mud. As far as help, my old tank is doing great, my new tank is doing great so I don't currently need any but thanks.

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[Flyride95]

Not everyone does this but I toss a shrimp (heb seafood market) into the aquarium. I leave it in there until ammonia goes extremely high then remove. Then you will go through a big long cycle but there are fewer smaller cycles after. Big pun is right. When you first set up and you get a little bit of an ammonia spike and it is all over 3 days later you will have many of those small cycles.

[Big_Pun]

The tank I spoke of is my new one. I have a second that is nearly a year old so I am fully aware of cycles. I was not trying to "toot any horns" I was just chiming in with my experience so far with Miracle Mud. As far as help, my old tank is doing great, my new tank is doing great so I don't currently need any but thanks.

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a rooting type of algae works better as the roots will stir up the mud and also hold it down, culerpa prolifera seems to work best, the small pieces i put have hit the water surface all ready. im sure someone here has some, also a good light helps on the fuge.

[Dean]

a rooting type of algae works better as the roots will stir up the mud and also hold it down, culerpa prolifera seems to work best, the small pieces i put have hit the water surface all ready. im sure someone here has some, also a good light helps on the fuge.Ya I tried to save money on the fuge light and the cheapo burnt out after the first two weeks. I order the light that actually goes with the cpr which is a very nice light but was too late for the scroll. It is pretty stuff but not working out so I am looking for something different. The fuge is loaded with pods and tiny feather dusters already. Very cool to watch.

[Dean]

Not everyone does this but I toss a shrimp (heb seafood market) into the aquarium. I leave it in there until ammonia goes extremely high then remove. Then you will go through a big long cycle but there are fewer smaller cycles after. Big pun is right. When you first set up and you get a little bit of an ammonia spike and it is all over 3 days later you will have many of those small cycles.I cycled mine with a fish, some hermits, fish food of course and the sponge from my established tank. I also used the retail denitrifying bacteria to seed the tank and rock work.

I learned the hard way with my older tank. lol This one is going quite smoothly. Thanks

[Reefnub]

How has everything been on the little tank? Good growth in fuge or any better color in corals,fish or growth? Is it too early to tell? Less algae on glass? Phos drop?


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[Big_Pun]

How has everything been on the little tank? Good growth in fuge or any better color in corals,fish or growth? Is it too early to tell? Less algae on glass? Phos drop?


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bryopsis popped back up, but coral is looking good. zoas where almost out the door, and now they look great. macro growing well and lots of life in fuge, mostly lil shrimp. no algae, phosphates creeped up so went back to the brightwell phos cubes, but i think all tanks need help renoving phos. nitrates are holding at zero, so that may be due to mud.

[Reefnub]

Sounds like its coming along nice, I'm watching your little tank. I may use this on my 190 just want to see how it plays out. I'm prolly still going to use BP but less than what is recommended.


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[FireWater]

I think you have a great plan in the fact you plan on using several things to accomplish the goal, ie pellets with mud and so on.

Chris, do you think the issues that came up have to do with changes in water quality? Such as the mud was pulling something out of the water that was always there and that led to the bryopsis coming back.

[Big_Pun]

I think you have a great plan in the fact you plan on using several things to accomplish the goal, ie pellets with mud and so on.

Chris, do you think the issues that came up have to do with changes in water quality? Such as the mud was pulling something out of the water that was always there and that led to the bryopsis coming back.

its been there, before mm i had battled it with tech m and it had gone away. looks like it may be hair algae its on one rock so i may just peroxide it. always something to deal with but to me thats the fun part

[Reefnub]

How's the tank doing with the mud any changes better or worse?


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[Big_Pun]

How's the tank doing with the mud any changes better or worse?


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its going steady hair algae slowly going away thanks to lettuce nudi. but its doing well still