Fish List , are these okay together in a 75 Gallon

[TwistedMind]

2 x False Percula Clownfish
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Blue Hippo Tang
1 x 6 line wrasse
1 x Flame Angelfish
2 x Luzon Anthias

Inverts

2 x cleaner Shrimp
2 x Emerald Crab
2 x nassarius snail
?? x Turbo Snail


Im really concerned about the tangs ~ From what im reading my tank isn't large enough to keep them when they are adults, anyone care to elaborate for me? The yellow would probably be okay but websites are saying the hippo is going to need 150 - 180 gallons. Can anyone clarify for me?

[Pennies2Cents]

What size are your tangs? All tangs need lots of swimming space to thrive. If they are itty bitty babies then a small tank will do, but eventually they will have to be moved to something bigger, otherwise, everyone else is definately okay. :)

[jvene1]

I wouldn't do the blue hippo if you're looking down the road. The yellow will be ok I think, but for him to be happy it needs to be a longer tank. Like he said, tangs need lots of swimming room and a longer tank gives them that. Personally I would replace the hippo with a larger sand sifting goby, and then add a couple of clown gobies:p good luck though!

[koa25]

If it is a small hippo i say go for it. Once it gets bigger you can sell it off to someone else with a larger tank or back to a store for credit. No harm in enjoying a beautiful fish while you can. Just make sure to do the responsible thing when it does get too big and remove it from the tank.

[OrionN]

The blue tang can get big. I agree with the sentiment that 75 g is too small for a blue tang. Reconsider the anthias also. Consider three Royal Gramma instead.

[jrnannery]

I like the setup, but I don't like the sixline. They can get aggressive, and are nearly impossible to catch, as are all of our fish, really. The tangs are fine. Make sure they are smallish, and sell them off when they hit a couple two or three inches. Watch out for the tang police.

[tebstan]

I'm one of those that gets a tiny tang and watches it grow, then get it a new home before it gets big... but I won't do two tangs in a tank that size. Even if they're okay together, when it's time for them to go to a new home, it can change their attitude toward others and you don't know what the new home will be like. Give the fish a fair chance.

Flame angels are questionable if you want corals, and they can be mean as snot. But, so can the six line.

You've got to get some kind of blenny in there! They've got so much personality, you'll learn to love their ugly little faces.

[KING]

If it is a small hippo i say go for it. Once it gets bigger you can sell it off to someone else with a larger tank or back to a store for credit. No harm in enjoying a beautiful fish while you can. Just make sure to do the responsible thing when it does get too big and remove it from the tank.
Im with this....

[BBQHILLBILLY]

no tangs they will get stressed and may get ich
flame angel is aggressive swimmer and may eat your coral if stressed
for sure dont put 2 angels in there eventually only 1 will be left
pajamas, dart fish, gobies, anthias, clowns, firefish, blennies all good
shrimp, arrow crab, emeralds, snails, hermits and a lot of coral:bigsmile:

[jrnannery]

Your best bet, really is just bare rock, no livestock whatsoever, and, come to think of it, no water. You can't grow algae with no water in the tank.

[Sherita]

The clownfish shouldn't be a problem, as long as you are aware that they can be destructive. They can also get quite mean as they get older, and will bite. The yellow tang will do fine, a good all around tang choice. The blue is going to get WAY too big. And personally, I'm not a fan of keeping two tangs in a 75g tank. Too small. Six line wrasses can, and do, get really mean. They can also be really bad bullies. If you get one, it should be the last fish to go in the tank. They are, however, fantastic predators and will eat a lot of things that you don't want in your tank. Like flatworms. The flame angel will be hit or miss if you have corals. I have had dismal luck keeping them in my reef. They ate my corals. Others have kept them with no issues. The Anthias require specialized care and a strict, frequent feeding schedule. It can be a real pain, and can pollute your tank with the multiple times a day feeding. the inverts on your list look fine, just be aware that sometimes emerald crabs will go rogue and eat your other inhabitants, or your coral. And cleaner shrimp are a major pita if you have coral you want to feed. They will steal from your coral, and can damage it in their quest for a free meal.

What it really boils down to is what you want, and what you can have within your limits. I would say the blue hippo really should be off the table, because of size if nothing else. The rest, well, you have to take the good with the bad. If you get a bad fish or invert, then you will have to remove it from the tank, or put up with whatever problem it is causing. And sometimes the most "reef safe" fish in the world turns out to not be safe for YOUR reef. Kinda like my coral eating kole tang, or Ace's coral eating tangs. You just really don't know until you try that particular individual fish.


2 x False Percula Clownfish
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Blue Hippo Tang
1 x 6 line wrasse
1 x Flame Angelfish
2 x Luzon Anthias

Inverts

2 x cleaner Shrimp
2 x Emerald Crab
2 x nassarius snail
?? x Turbo Snail


Im really concerned about the tangs ~ From what im reading my tank isn't large enough to keep them when they are adults, anyone care to elaborate for me? The yellow would probably be okay but websites are saying the hippo is going to need 150 - 180 gallons. Can anyone clarify for me?

[TwistedMind]

okay, so general consensus is YMMV.

Not even going to be adding fish for another month at least, just trying to get my diligence out of the way.

Ill scratch the Anthias, and the blue hippo, I like the 6 line but maybe ill find something else I like, the wife hates the flame angelfish .

So current fish list ~ Clowns, yellow tang.

I was looking at Goby's but the only ones that were appealing to me were way out of my price range.

[dsachs09]

If you like tangs, consider a Kole. I love mine in my 75. No problems with a six line, tailspot blenny, gold stripe maroon pair (it's HER tank) and pajama cardinal. That's about my limit in a 75.

[OrionN]

How could anyone hate a bright red fish???.

You should consider Royal Gramma, three of them. Three should forma Harem and will breed in your tank. Make you get all small if you can or only one large and two small. The dominant one turn male and the others stay as females and will breed in your tank (with a lot of LR). They are very easy to care for but can loose color if not feed a variety diet.

If no Flame angle and no sixline wrasse, then consider a Mandarin Dragonette. That is a unique fish, only if you have enough live rock and reef tank. Not recommend for a FOWLR. If you have any fish that hunt the rock then no Dragonette.

Pictures is a male MD from the web
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt207/moy1moy1/MandarinFish.jpg

[Kristy]

Minh, that is so funny, I was thinking the exact same thing... how could anyone hate a flame angel? :D (...until they have eaten your clams and corals up, I mean...)

[OrionN]

BTW, are you going to have sand? How much light?
Most small and beautiful goby (shrimp gobies) tend to need species tank)
Consider A. percula instead of A. ocellaris. IMO, mature Percula is much better looking fish than a mature Ocellaris.

[allan]

That is a very nice picture. I started out with a spotted manderin because they can be taught to eat prepared food. Never did. After a year and a half and still hanging in there I decided that if I ever got rid of that one I would go with the green physcadelic manderin. I love that fish although he doesn't make an appearance as often as one may expect. I've got him in there with a melenarus, six line, and a cleaner with no issues yet. Out of all the fish that I have, the dragonette, the vlaminigi, and the marine betta are by far my favorite fish.

I kept a blue hippo in my 75 gallon frag tank, but had to get rid of him quickly as he started to grow larger. I believe that he was about the same size of the yellow tang when we took him out.

If you're only going to get one tang I'd go with a purple or a yellow eye kole. The blue hippo, powder blue, powder brown, yellow rim, scopas... they're all over played in my opinion. Everyone has them. They're great fish, but you only get one in a tank that small... although I did have the yellow and blue hippo in mine for quite some time.

[OrionN]

Consider add two yellow tail blue damsels. They are not too aggressive but should go in last. Nothing add a brighter livelier blue to the tank for such a cheap price. Two will also breed in your tank. I tend to try to add breeding unit to my tank if possible so I can observer the interaction between them. In your tank the smaller fishes are the one which will act most natural. This is the only damsel species I would add into my tank.

http://saltwater.tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Damselfish/ChrysipteraParasema2.jpg

[OrionN]

Six line wrasse (or any wrasse), small angels will starve a Mandarin Dragonette unless you have a large tank. I got a 450 g tank with a pair of Mandarin and a pair Sixline. The Sixline attack and blinded my female Mandarin. Just peck her eyes out and she starved. I was lucky and got those bad boys (or boy and girl) out before they kill my male Mandarin also. The MD just starve in a bout a month. I euthanized her in the freezer when she lost a lot of weight not able to eat.
My 65 g tank with a thriving Mandarin Dragonette until I added a Flame Angel. The Mandarin just get thinner and thinner until I move him to another tank.

[Sherita]

okay, so general consensus is YMMV.

That pretty much sums it up. You have time to research, and I'm betting that you will find the right fish for you, and your tank.

In my 72g peaceful reef, the current class clowns are my longnose hawkfish and Candy Hogfish. Both are quite sociable, always at the front of the tank watching what I am doing. Both will handfeed. If you abandon the sixline, you might take a look at the yellow coris wrasse. I have one, he's quite peaceful, always hunting pods and such but bothers no one.

What is it that you wife dislikes about the flame angel? There are only a few angelfish that are truly reef safe (disclaimer here, no guarantee that anything is truly reef safe). Bellus angels are lovely, but may be out of your price range. Swallowtail angels and Watanabe are the two other reef safe angels that come to mind.

I'm about to add three Agile Chromis to my peaceful reef. They colors are very interesting, and I'm hoping they will school. Since they are chromis, they should be reef safe. Guess I will find out.

[koa25]

Wow Sherita, those Bellus angels are beautiful. I might have to try those guys someday. Very cool suggestion. Like those Agile chromis too.

[doctormario777]

I wouldn't go with the hippo tang. 75gal isn't going to be enough... those guys get to be around 12"!

I'd also add the flame angel last... put him in a separate tank for a day or so until the percs get established in your tank.

[OrionN]

Other fish to consider are Orchid dottyback, Bangai cardinals. Pairs of these will be nice in a 75 g tank

[BBQHILLBILLY]

Those are mean. lol

dottybacks and Bangais. The dottybacks put wrasses and damsels to shame and bangais will pick on pajamas like they are a small little cousin pinchin your rib.:bigsmile:

[OrionN]

I strongly disagree with BBQHILLBILLY. I am not sure from what he said if he ever keep Orchid Dottyback. Mor liekly just heard from the mean reputation of Dottyback in general.
Orchid Dottyback are very docile, about the only dottyback that are very good community fish, even added first. They are tank bred these day because they are exclusive in the Red Sea in the wild and cost a fortune before they are tank raised. Very beautiful bright small dottyback.
Make sure you get a Pseudochromis fridmani not a Pseudochromis porphyreus which is a little killer

Orchid dottyback, or P. fridmani. Notice the color fins and the black strip through the eyes
http://saltwater.aqua-fish.net/images/orchid-dottyback-1.jpg

Avoid Strawberry dottyback or P. porphyreus. Notice the clear fins and no black strip on the eyes
http://www.createareef.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/t/strawberrydotty.jpeg

My banggai cardinal do not bother any other fish. I never heard of Banggai pick on other fish. Only males fight with each other.

http://saltwater.aqua-fish.net/images1/banggai-cardinal-fish-6.jpg

[reefreak]

those psuedochromis are so mean!

[OrionN]

I would put stock in advices of whoever have keep Orchid Dottyback regarding whether or not Orchid dottyback are suitable for community tanks. Most everybody who keep a dottyback know that they are mean, except those who research and actually keep Orchid dottyback. Their temperament are not the same as usual dottyback. While Jeremy statement "those psuedochromis are so mean!" is actually true regarding usual dottyback, it is not true regarding Orchid dottyback.