lucked out at phenomenal aquatics

[koa25]

So i did my weekly stop by at phenomenal aquatics on my way home from work. See what cool stuff they got it. They recieved a pretty awesome order this week. One fish which they got in which was labeled an assorted tang took some digging in books and online searchs to find. It was a lieutenant tang. After a little research found out they normally go for 60 bucks. They got a deal on it and passed it on to the customers. So i snagged that guy in a heart beat. 20 bucks. Great deal. Just have to say thats great customer service. Passing on deals they get on to their customers. 15152

[Zack]

Yeah they are awesome. Two weeks ago I got a Rose Bubble tip Anemone for 20$ from them and a month before that the owners came in on their off time during Easter so I could make a purchase. Very good people and I'll definitely be there again soon.

[SinisterLou]

Lucky you

[reefreak]

wow nice score!

[koa25]

Yeah it was a pretty sweet score. No guilt about it either cause they new what they had and what they were letting it go for. Awesome store and awesome owners. They have me as a repeat customer for a reason. Place is like a gold mine. Great deals. They really do stick to fair mark ups even if the fish is worth way more.

[CoryDude]

Tangs have been and always will be notorious for carrying ich. I've seen some very high end stores that had tangs with the same problem. I did purchase a powder blue tang from Phenom Aquatics and it was and is a very healthy specimen.

[SinisterLou]

+1 on what Cory said

[Big_Pun]

I don't know store that carries fish without ich it happens to everyone. you can't blame a store, you must quarantine before introducing into your tank. another issue is you may have too many tangs and it's getting stressed or picked on. what Cory said is right all tangs some more than others carry ich. last tang I bought was at ER for over a month, so full qt cycle. no ich but it did have internal parasites which I treated.

[SinisterLou]

Another +1 on what Chris said, that is very sound advice.

[Europhyllia]

just as a side note: quarantine is not just to prevent the spread of diseases from a new specimen to established fish but also to give the new dude an opportunity to adjust, settle down and start feeding. Stressed, starved fish are way less likely to be able to fight infections of any kind.
A fish store using copper is not failsafe either. It's a nice touch but some tangs like Atlantic Blue may even react negatively to it.
I bet you could find somebody on this board that has bought a fish that became sick from any of the LFS.
Responsible husbandry is so important. I myself have taken shortcuts and later kicked myself in the rear for causing havoc in my system. You live, you learn. It's cheaper in the long run if you can learn from your mistakes instead of trying to find blame somewhere... ;)

[Europhyllia]

lol... took me so long trying to word this nicely by the time I was done Chris had already said it much better (and shorter lol)

[Big_Pun]

it's just the hard knocks of this hobby, disease and parasites. you either take the chance or do your best to prevent it.

[KING]

iv never had a problem..good store..:thumbs_up:

[Scream311]

WOW, TALK ABOUT OBLIVIOUS TO THE ADVICE BEIN GIVEN, SELFISH AND SENSLESS *SMH*

[allan]

Let's keep it civil folks.

[johnsutter71]

Well. This morning when I woke up my little tang did not make it through the night. Between the ich and the fresh water dip more then it could handle. I did another quick inspection of my clams and found another pyramid snail on the bottom of my deresa. Both clams were fully extended out but I know I'll be waging war on the snails for a while. I read that once you get them it's hard to get rid of them. I pulled an old 10 gallon tank from my garage and cleaned it out for my new quarantine tank. Thanks for the helpful advice. I can't emphasize enough the importance of a quarantine tank. Live and learn.

[Zack]

I remember last summer I purchased a small zoa frag from a non-MAAST sponsor. Two weeks later I was leaving for a week to Florida with my wife and I did a quick check on the tank to make sure everything looked good and I noticed two zoa eating nudi-branchs munching on a large colony I had. I pulled out the colony, did a quick dip and killed the nudibranchs. I didn't have enough time to fully eradicate the problem and when I came back a week later there were 4 more and my colony was destroyed. Since then I've dipped every coral that's entered my tank.

[Zen Reef]

One time I bought a gun and it shot 4 people.. Stupid gun store..

[Gseclipse02]

Well. This morning when I woke up my little tang did not make it through the night. Between the ich and the fresh water dip more then it could handle. I did another quick inspection of my clams and found another pyramid snail on the bottom of my deresa. Both clams were fully extended out but I know I'll be waging war on the snails for a while. I read that once you get them it's hard to get rid of them. I pulled an old 10 gallon tank from my garage and cleaned it out for my new quarantine tank. Thanks for the helpful advice. I can't emphasize enough the importance of a quarantine tank. Live and learn.


What more did u expect ? You put the fish in freshwater for ten mins.

[Gseclipse02]

One time I bought a gun and it shot 4 people.. Stupid gun store..

Lol

[CoryDude]

Definitely live and learn on the qt thing. Before I tore down and re-started my tank with dry rock, I was battling aefw, red bugs, bryopsis, red slime bubble algae, and just about everything else.

When I first re-started my 120g, I clipped and dipped every coral that went into my tank, except for 1 little piece of superman monti. That transferred cladothoropsis into my tank which is one of the worst turf algaes you can imigine.

I re-started the tank again, and now EVERYTHING is inspected, clipped from it's base rock, and dipped in betadine before entering the tank. Been over a year, and no problems so far.

[BBQHILLBILLY]

Only in TEXAS:bigsmile:. Put dem guns in dem holsters.

So copper dip is good and betadine for coral. good info

[KING]

why did u fresh water deep..? i have always heard that was the worse thing too do>? just asking ..have uv done this b4 or did some one tell u too do this>?
i had that problem with a powder blue..i qt it an it worked out..then i picked up an other fish..an it started to show..350gt told me to lev it an let it chill..so i did an a few days later it was all good an never saw it again..

[Europhyllia]

So copper dip is good
I would do some more research if I was you before following this statement. It basically poisons the parasite more than it poisons the fish. Some fish will not do well with copper at all.

[koa25]

Wow. This took off ha ha. But john. Did you at least get a good deal on the tang? 15 bucks right? It is a discount fish store. They tend to move a lot of livestock. So having new fish plopped in the tanks all the time. Nets in there to remove fish. Its no suprise they have ich. It us a natural parasite a lot of fish carry. But its kept in check by enzymes their bodies produce. Its when they sre stressed that it gets a foot hold. I try to quarantine my fish and livestock. I normally dont have because of my job. But as long as the fish are happy and feed. They shouldn't have issues. UV sterilizers can help with this as well. They eliminate free floating parasites in the water. I'm sorry your tang didn't make it. Mine has gotten darker and his blue spot has brightened up nicely. So he's a happy camper. I'm not saying i haven't had my issues with PA fish or corals with ich or algae. But they have great prices and its worht the extra effort of qt and dips to clean them up to score an awesone fish for cheap. Maybe you should get there on wednesdays when the fish first get in so they are fresh in the tanks. Not too horribly stressed and you can snag them and take them home to qt them now that you have setup a qt tank. And any fish store you run the chance of problems like that. I have had issues at every fish store. Except elegant. I've only ever bought a maxi mini fromthem so i can't honestly toss them in that lot fairly.

[350gt]

I also have had ick from almost every shop, except elegant..

Its a part of the game like Chris said. I bought a baby blue hippo from a non maast vendor and it was covered when thrown in my frag tank.... After a few days, with good feedings of greens its all better.... He doenst look great yet but hE will.... He's a fighter and will go into my display soon...

[350gt]

If not I'll hope that my 15$ purchase didn't affect the severalhundred dollars’ worth of other fishes in my tank.


Several hundred in fish and your buying fish without quarantining them???...

If your willing to spend that much in fish, you should know your stuff by now...

So you can't blame a store in that case....

[koa25]

Several hundred in fish and your buying fish without quarantining them???...

If your willing to spend that much in fish, you should know your stuff by now...

So you can't blame a store in that case....
And boom goes the dynamite. +1

[350gt]

Just saying....

I have only a few fish in my tank, 4 of which are tangs... And I am very afraid of throwing the new addition in there just yet. I have learned my lesson early and even though my fish are no where near several hundred dollars, I would hate to lose any one of them....

[koa25]

I'm right there with you. I have maybe 150 in fish in my tank. The most expensive of which i just bought. That koran angel. Which still only set me back 30 bucks. Thank you again phenomenal aquatics. The rest are clowns. A flame angel. Two tangs. A trigger and a goby and blenny. So it would suck to loose thise. But not nearly that much money.

[Fishstix@JewelsOfTheSea]

Fromlessons learned long ago, it doesn't matter if I'm setting up a nano tank or a350g tank, it's best practice for you and the inhabitants to always quarantineany livestock. It doesn’t matter whereyou buy the fish, or how fortunate you have been in the past, if you don’t takeprecautionary measures, you will eventually have issues with pests and/ordiseases. Yes Ich is something that allfish carry, but as mentioned in a previous post, if the fish is happy and notstressed, it will be kept in check. Mostfish will endure stress during bagging and shipping and it doesn’t matter whatstore it goes to. There are some storesthat do treat their fish prior to selling them and that’s good practice, butmany stores forgo this process to save time and to move fish. It’s our job as customers to examine thehealth of the fish and to take all measures necessary to preserve the life ofthe livestock. It doesn’t matter if thestore already treated the fish and quarantined them, you still have to do thesame process when you take them home. The fish will endure additional stress being rebagged and reacclimatedfrom the fish store to your house. =) Just my two cents!

[KING]

Come on..its hard to qt a fish you just got..lol .Even if its the best thing to do..I see that beautiful guy just swimming around an want him so bad in my tank..Then to have to get home an put him off to the side..Even if its is rushing things..We cant wait..lol
Just saying..Im for both..

[randomfish]

what coral dip does everyone use

[350gt]

Come on..its hard to qt a fish you just got..lol .Even if its the best thing to do..I see that beautiful guy just swimming around an want him so bad in my tank..Then to have to get home an put him off to the side..Even if its is rushing things..We cant wait..lol
Just saying..Im for both..


And how much luck have you had???.... Lol

You have only had 1 or 2 tangs....

[SinisterLou]

no problem:bigsmile:

[SinisterLou]

I think that this thread has ran it's course. Can I get a mod to lock it please?

[Big_Pun]

I think that this thread has ran it's course. Can I get a mod to lock it please?

it's up to OP nothing wrong has been said. I know it's a lil personal to you but we all should be biased and just state facts so others can learn. I think some good points have been made, and yes some babble but if you read through this thread there is good info.

[KING]

And how much luck have you had???.... Lol

You have only had 1 or 2 tangs....iv had it on 3..an worked out ..
ya the thread was started with the tang but they are not the only fish that get it.......an iv had five..just so u know an can put it down on my book your writing about king an his tankssss...lol

[SinisterLou]

Not personal at all. I just don't think it's going anywhere positive.

[SinisterLou]

Thanks for your service in the military.:bigsmile:

[koa25]

Im pretty sure if you look at the first post its from me buddy. And there are a few military on here including myself. So please don't bring that to the table. It's not necessary. On top of that there is a good amount of info on here for future individuals. But i think we can leave it at that. I have way more to say but i think it has taken a turn from stating i got a good deal to pointing fingers and tony calling leroy out on his tanks..... again. Ha ha. There was a thread the other day which mentioned respect amongst members. Everyone has been really nice to me on here. Only a couple bad eggs or head cases. So lets not let it ruin a good thing yeah?

[SinisterLou]

Well said Koa25

[hobogato]

:applause: :thumbs_up:

[koa25]

:applause: :thumbs_up:
I tip my hat good sir:shades:

[johnsutter71]

Sorry for the negative tone. I deleted all my previous posts.

[koa25]

No harm no foul. Youbring to light good points and people now have proper techniques to make sure their reefs stay healthy and clean.

[koa25]

And sorry about your tang again. Never fun. Don't let it deter you from good stores like PA. Just take precautionary steps. And monitor the fish before you buy it. Take care.

[tebstan]

. . . I did another quick inspection of my clams and found another pyramid snail on the bottom of my deresa. Both clams were fully extended out but I know I'll be waging war on the snails for a while. I read that once you get them it's hard to get rid of them.

The snails are a problem if you don't try to contain it. If you put any effort into it, you can definitely get rid of them :thumbs_up:

I picked out a nice clam from ORA - supposed to be real nice and clean, right? Pyramid snails all over it. It was fresh from a shipment, all other clams in the tank were ORA too. I'm not slamming ORA - I'm just saying, this kind of thing happens.

I wanted that clam. I picked off every snail I could find, did some research, scrubbed the shell with a dedicated tooth brush, and kept plucking off any critters that appeared. I didn't even have a wrasse at the time. I also had no other clams for them to spread to. After a very short time, no more pyramid snails could be found.

They're not the worst thing that could happen to a clam. Stay on top of them, and you'll be fine.

[koa25]

The snails are a problem if you don't try to contain it. If you put any effort into it, you can definitely get rid of them :thumbs_up:

I picked out a nice clam from ORA - supposed to be real nice and clean, right? Pyramid snails all over it. It was fresh from a shipment, all other clams in the tank were ORA too. I'm not slamming ORA - I'm just saying, this kind of thing happens.

I wanted that clam. I picked off every snail I could find, did some research, scrubbed the shell with a dedicated tooth brush, and kept plucking off any critters that appeared. I didn't even have a wrasse at the time. I also had no other clams for them to spread to. After a very short time, no more pyramid snails could be found.

They're not the worst thing that could happen to a clam. Stay on top of them, and you'll be fine.

See. More good knowledge. You've been learned.

[johnsutter71]

The snails are a problem if you don't try to contain it. If you put any effort into it, you can definitely get rid of them :thumbs_up:

I picked out a nice clam from ORA - supposed to be real nice and clean, right? Pyramid snails all over it. It was fresh from a shipment, all other clams in the tank were ORA too. I'm not slamming ORA - I'm just saying, this kind of thing happens.

I wanted that clam. I picked off every snail I could find, did some research, scrubbed the shell with a dedicated tooth brush, and kept plucking off any critters that appeared. I didn't even have a wrasse at the time. I also had no other clams for them to spread to. After a very short time, no more pyramid snails could be found.

They're not the worst thing that could happen to a clam. Stay on top of them, and you'll be fine.

yesterday I scrubbed both the clams with a toothbrush and did another check last night. I saw what may have been eggs but I can't remove them without hurting the clam. I added a fairy wrasse yesterday to help with the cleanup. The clams aren't showing any signs of distress so far. I am looking at this article for some advice.
http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/clams/57886-pyramid-snail-removal-tips.html

[tebstan]

That's a great article. I never broke off scutes - I thought it would hurt them! haha...

This bit was interesting:
"Another thing that I do is place a Tupperware container under the clam with a little bit of sand in it. Every time I clean the clam I throw away the sand in the container and replace it with new sand. The snails will burrow down into the sand to hide during the day."

Sometimes something so simple can make such a Huge difference.

Good luck with the snail problem, it's not as dire as it sounds if you put a lit elbow grease into it. Another excuse to get in the tank, right? :)

[KING]

lol na his just writing a book about me an the hobby..nice to see u r following as well..lol :rofl:

[koa25]

lol na his just writing a book about me an the hobby..nice to see u r following as well..lol :rofl:
Ha ha. Yeah. I'm catching a lot of them ha ha

[KING]

na..we cool..his my ( bff ) we go back an forth on every thing..lol u should see our late nite...an i mean late..texzz..lol
like here..all in good fun.

[koa25]

I don't think i want to hear about your late night text chats. I think thats crossing a line.

[350gt]

Only if you all knew......


You all would understand......

[350gt]

Asfar as late night texts, it's usually me telling him he's a complete idiot and what is he thinking.... It will never work.... Yada yada yada..........




Short cuts will never work in this hobby....

[KING]

tony..is like an old lady..an dont like to try new things..2 out of 10 things are right..not saying his wrong but there are other way..bla bla bla
his the guy thats never wrong.. hahahahaha..


there not all short cuts ..there just not ur way

[350gt]

Lmao

This guy went to replicate the red sea and made the dead sea, literally...... In his words "brown is a color"....

[koa25]

Lmao. You guys are like an old married couple ha ha. Brown is a color. Just not a nice color. Ha ha.

[350gt]

Lmao. You guys are like an old married couple ha ha. Brown is a color. Just not a nice color. Ha ha.


He's been dropped on his head as a child......

[randomfish]

funny note to jump on the pick on king wagon the only guy ive known to use duct tape and electrical tape to seal tank plumbing lol j/k thx for the cube

[KING]

a few things have brown..but i dont think im the only 1..lol an brown is a color but when that was said it was in a joke..
i see a lot of ppl asking questions an never see u answer..for a charter member an know so much y not help out others..we know ur on cus the 2nd i post u well quote.

[350gt]

He says I dont try new things...


Why fix what isn't broke? My DT has been up and running going on 2 years with no issues (knock on wood)..... I listened to what was taught by Ruben(jrsatx) and never went away from it....

Sure I want to dose and all that but with out the know how or the will to test my water, it would be foolish of me...

[350gt]

funny note to jump on the pick on king wagon the only guy ive known to use duct tape and electrical tape to seal tank plumbing lol j/k thx for the cube


Lol see what I mean....

[KING]

funny note to jump on the pick on king wagon the only guy ive known to use duct tape and electrical tape to seal tank plumbing lol j/k thx for the cube
ya that short cut worked lol hahahaha

[randomfish]

lmao

[Kristy]

Hey guys, can we get the thread back on track??

This was originally a thread about getting a good deal on a fish at Phenomenal. It evolved into a discussion about selecting healthy fish and quarantining your fish, then tips on dealing with pyramid snails... all REALLY good responsible reefkeeping topics, but they would be better in their own dedicated threads in the appropriate forums. All that other chatter can go in the lounge or the chat room.

So, let's keep future posts limited to the original topic of getting a good deal on a fish. And feel free to start new threads on some of those other topics.

Lastly, thanks to the guys who self-moderated tonight. Don't know what all that was about, but I appreciate the obvious efforts to keep things respectful on MAAST! :)

[350gt]

I apologize to koa, if he feels we derailed his thread....

But this thread was derailed at the bashing of PA.

Asfar as me and king, we are on here toooooo much and love to pick on each other.... But we are friends and do so for our entertainment..... I think it's funny...

I guess ur right and we should start our own thread.... Lol

[koa25]

You guys should start your own sitcom "Two Guys and a Tang" no worries about derailing tony. It's all good. It was derailed a long time ago. Just glad we were able to turn it around from where it was headed. But kristy is right.

[FireWater]

No one has to apologize. It was just a request.
Yes the thread was derailed earlier and a couple of more times after that. Too many turns and everything crashes. I too appreciate the self modding and also appreciate the fact that y'all can agree to disagree with out everyone grabbing their toy and running home so no one can play anymore. There was a lot of good information passed around on some posts In this thread- good clam care when dealing with pests, good quarantine habits, and that a couple of guys like to share late night texts.
Have fun guys. That is what it is all about.

[koa25]

There was a lot of good information passed around on some posts In this thread- good clam care when dealing with pests, good quarantine habits, and that a couple of guys like to share late night texts.
Have fun guys. That is what it is all about.
:rofl: i dont think you guys are getting away from that one easily ha ha. Appreciated john.

[350gt]

Hahaha..:ph34r:

[SinisterLou]

You guys should start your own sitcom "Two Guys and a Tang" no worries about derailing tony. It's all good. It was derailed a long time ago. Just glad we were able to turn it around from where it was headed. But kristy is right.
I would tune in to watch. I freaking love listening to KING and 350GT...they make me laugh and are very good people too

[350gt]

If those 2 annoying guys from tanked can have a show, I don't see why we couldn't....


I mean king watched that show and thought you could throw fish in the first day you set up your SW tank.....

[Big_Pun]

If those 2 annoying guys from tanked can have a show, I don't see why we couldn't....


I mean king watched that show and thought you could throw fish in the first day you set up your SW tank.....

i did in 24 hours.....and tap water also........... so i guess you can lol or am i just lucky

[allan]

I would tune in to watch. I freaking love listening to KING and 350GT...they make me laugh and are very good people too

Ditto

[350gt]

i did in 24 hours.....and tap water also........... so i guess you can lol or am i just lucky


Man Chris, if you really knew king and some of his "visions" you would understand what I'm dealing with......

So would you recommend everyone use tap water and put there fish in the same day? No, because you've been doing this long enough to know what to do or precautions to take...

[Big_Pun]

Man Chris, if you really knew king and some of his "visions" you would understand what I'm dealing with......

So would you recommend everyone use tap water and put there fish in the same day? No, because you've been doing this long enough to know what to do or precautions to take...

**** now I feel like an old salty!! but yea your right I check all levels and temp and other lil things. I've don't enough swaps to know what to look for, I dip my finger and gauge temp then taste a lil of water so I can get salinity and ph and cal levels. then I talk to the fish lol.......ok ok I'm done lying and high jacking