Banggai not as easy as the clowns, white eggs? Do I treat?

[krzjaz]

Hi I'm Jill, I'm new to this forum. I breed percula clowns, I like my babies that have an oval instead of a second bar, some have an oval on the top, some in the middle.
I find cleaning the larva tank to be very difficult, I often have more than one run up my siphen hose then I spend the next 10 minutes trying to catch them. I feed them rotifers fed with my nano. oculata culture, after they eat about 2 hours I sieve them out and feed them to the larva. I did my last batch coculture of larva with greenwater and rotifers, they did well but what a pain to clean!
My banggai laid eggs Dec 23, I took them form the male the 28th and they have eyes in the egg tumbler and two hatched. 4 or 5 of the eggs were white, I seperated them out with a "delecate operation" and put them back in the tumbler. They are soooooooooooooooooooooo cute, I hope they make it. I don't know why they turn white, I don't know if it is a fungus I need to medicate or what. I wake up every day hopeful but with 15 alive, of which 2 are hatched today. I think they seem to be hatching too early. ANybody know? They are all egg sac now, but what, when and how to feed them I am researching. Any tips are appreciated. The clowns I do well, 90% success, sadly I'm not doing as well with the banggai .I took the eggs because dad eats them day 5 every time. Is it fungus that makes the eggs white? I seperate them out and put them suspended in my tumbler. Should I treat them? one of 3 that hatched died, 12 more not hatched yet but look great.

[Pennies2Cents]

but what, when and how to feed them I am researching.

When our babies hatch, we feed live brine twice a day. We also culture our own as well. Here is our thread. Good Luck. :) Need any further help please feel free to send me a message.

Jill, attached is our breeding thread;
http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?60824-Bangaii-Cardinals-Breeding-New-Batch-Oct-2011-Coming-Soon

[Europhyllia]

maybe he eats them because he knows something is not developing right?

Not sure about these types of fish but for my seahorse fry the rotifers need to be enriched with more than just nano. Same with the BBS.
There's a member named SOLID that has had good success with Bangaiis I think. You may want to PM him :)

[Regric25]

but what, when and how to feed them I am researching.

When our babies hatch, we feed live brine twice a day. We also culture our own as well. Here is our thread. Good Luck. :) Need any further help please feel free to send me a message.

Eve I am glad you chimed in on here! I was going to tell the OP that you are known around here for sucessfully breeding and rearing these cardinals!

[krzjaz]

:confused::sick::nailbiting::at_wits_end:Thank you, my Banggai eggs, one each day, turn white then die. The eggs that hatched so far, only one is alive, why do they turn white? is it a fungus? What Do I treat with, and what dose, and for how long. Im soooooooooooooooo sad when they don't make it!

[Europhyllia]

a search for white fish eggs produced this:

If the eggs are not fertilized, they will start turning white after approximately 24 hours.

[Regric25]

So you mentioned you have them in a tumbler. How long do you let the eggs stay in the fathers mouth before you strip them? Yu want to make sure there is enough time for the eggs to fertilize.

Also can you please take a pic of your tumbler and tell me how much flow you have running through it? If its too slow you will get stagnant water and the quality will drop and the eggs can die. If its too fast them tumbling motion can damage/kill the eggs.

Also are you putting the tumblers in a different tank from where the parents live? If so the difference in water quality might be the culprit. The tumblers I use allow you to keep them in the same tank they came from.

I used to breed African Cichlids (Mbuna) and had 3 tumblers that I made. If you want I can make you some that will work and be very safe for the eggs development cycle. Just pay for the materials. Materials are VERY cheap. With the tumblers I made I my success rate was about 95% to 100% every time. Check out my youtube videos in the link below and you can see the tumblers and see a video of the fry.

Just noticed you live in NY?? If thats the case and you want the tumblers you will have to pay for the shipping lol. OR I can send you a detailed email on how to make them. LMK :)

[Pennies2Cents]

Eve I am glad you chimed in on here! I was going to tell the OP that you are known around here for sucessfully breeding and rearing these cardinals!

Thanks Rick. :)


OP (original poster) I have attached the link to our breeding thread in my 1st post. :) Enjoy. Need anything post here or message me, Im always willing to help. :)

[krzjaz]

:applause:Thank you everybody. I treated the eggs in a nice big heavy vase with a wide opening going down to a very narrow center, I filled it with their tank water, took them out of the tumbler, and treated the 1 quart vase with 3 drops of meth blue, I put an air stone up top and it is creating just enough flow for the eggs to slightly lift and swirl slowly and a little gentle jump every so often. The fungus is now gone and the bay is still alive, the other live ones were too far gone by the time I found out about the meth blue. The live baby is soooooooooo cute, he takes a little jumping swim here and there, and likes to look aroung, its funny he looks right back at me! The five eggs look really good and healthy. I carefully seperated the cluster so the live baby did't keep getting stuck in the the web of the egg mass. The circulation of the eggs and movement is better with out them stuck together, now its more like the cichlids I used to raise.

Thank you to everybod for all your help. Hopefully they continue to thrive and grow up healthy. I have rotifers from my clown larva, I gut load them with nanno. oculata and may enrich their newly hatched brine shrimp with selecon when their yolk sacks go lower.

When should I start feeding them?
The yolk sac is still very big.