okay i just woke up and i have 2 probems

[tystxne1]

oh my god so i woke up and my reef tank, witch i checked yesterday at almost perfect lvls. had a misshap
my frogspawn as knocked loose and was laying on my plate coral in a puddle of lime green slime from the frogspawn.
so i picked it up and there were like 4 heads on the frog spawn only one was badly ****ed off so i replaced it were it was and glued it down. so my frogspawn is not happy at all and there was just green slime all in my plate coral whitch i sucked off with a turkey baster and blew off as well it doesnt look to ****ed but still. any way my question is should i do a water change or will my skimmer pick up any waste like that and do u think the frog spawn will make it. id post pictures but i have trouble doing so on this site.


and then im making coffee and trying to calm down so i went to turn on my 120 gal puffer tank and my blue puffer was kinda white and i couldnt find my small spiney puffer anywere then i spot him sucked up to the intake and dead. i guess they swam by and knocked the protective cover off. i was guessing my eel proably could have done that so again should i do an emergency water change on the puffer tank after one was stuck dead on the intake like all night.

wow just when i thought i had a grasp on everything hhhhmmmm i could just cry right now i lost a great fish and knowing that he didnt go peacfully just kills me

[Mike]

For your 1st question, coral warfare shouldn't be too hard on the tank. Hopefully the 2 corals will survive. Doing a water change never hurts, but I would think tank would be fine without.


2nd question- what kind of puffer was it that died? Puffer or some kind of box fish? Some of them emit a toxin when stressed or die, so a water change and carbon might be a good idea. Hope your other guy will be okay.

[tystxne1]

it was a spiney box puffer that passed and im worried about the toxin that may have been released

[Mr Cob]

run some carbon to be safe as well...lust a little bit

[tystxne1]

thanks for the help guys.

[tystxne1]

My blue spotted puffer is not looking good. He does seem to have his blue color back but there is like a white film on his body and his eyes are very cloudy and heavily rimmed with white. (1256412565refer to the picture) Immediately after the spiney box fish puffer died, the blue spotted puffer started getting white and started eating less and less. So I did a 60 gallon water change and changed the carbon out. This did not seem to help the puffer so I removed him and turned a Tupperware container into a net and placed him in the top of the reef tank, where I know the water quality is good. I have tested the water in the 120g and taken it to the LFS and found all of my levels were good. But the puffer seemed very stressed in the reef tank, so just to be safe I did another 50 gallon water change and added a polyfilter to the 120g and after about 12 hours added the blue puffer back into the 120g in hopes to relieve some of his stress. But he is not recovering he has been in the 120g since Tuesday morning. For what it is worth the only other thing in the tank with him is an eel and he is doing good and eating well. Please help I have tried to do some research to figure out if he has a disease or it's just stress, but can't figure anything out for sure and don't want to treat him without knowing for sure.

[Regric25]

I hope he will be okay. Just keep him eating and keep with carbon and water changes. try not to move him too much because sometimes it will stress the fish out even more. If he is still eating and swimming he has a good chance. I know its a skinfish but its not ICK is it?

[tystxne1]

He is not eating so that is why I am getting so worried, but he is swimming even if it is slow. I don't think it is ICK, I was wondering if it was some kind of fungus or just stress. I hate to treat him for something if it is just stress.

[justahobby]

Go easy on water changes if unless you are sure all the parameters are spot on. Changing the temp and ph could add insult to injury.

Do a search for velvet disease. And pay close attention to treatments since puffers are scaleless and medications may be more harmful than with scaled fish. Good luck and keep posting any questions you have.

[Kristy]

Please don't treat him for anything. It sounds like more than likely it is stress and catching him / moving him / putting him in a Tupperware holding spot / and treating him for something he may or may not need will just increase the stress. Most treatments end up being unsuccessful. But good water quality, good nutritious foods offered frequently in small quantities, removing whatever new condition may be stressing him, and not introducing more changes will often be enough for a formerly healthy fish to recover.

Good luck to you. We have all been there at some time. Really hope he bounces back for you!

[Regric25]

I found an artice on wet web media about puffers. It might help if you decide to medicate. Like Kristy said moving the fish can do more harm than good. Just keep trying to get him to eat.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i3/puffers/puffers.htm

[tystxne1]

thanks guys for all ur help ... i luv maast

[tystxne1]

okay so he is not bouncing back, i called the l.f.s and asked them about it and told me to do a fresh water dip for about a min a day until he starts to come around.... whatcha think about that? im so worried about him he is loosing skin on his top fin and his eyes look bad, but almost as if the white in his eye is starting to peel off kinda but still so bad i belive he is blind. also he just wont eat so im think about the fresh water dip asap

[Kristy]

Sorry it does not sound so good for your guy. Just so you know, the cloudy eyes are common for fish in this family when they are stressed and sick. It's sort of a secondary symptom and not your big issue here.


The freshwater dip is a tough call. Maybe there is someone who has used this technique successfully that can offer input. I have tried it a couple times but not since I was a newbie because it just seemed to increase the stress and hasten the fish's demise. In one case I scooped up a stressed and sick fish and did a short FW dip and the poor thing thrashed around as if in agony and was dead in less than the one minute. It was pretty terrible and (not coincidentally) the last time I ever resorted to this technique.

[justahobby]

The FW dip has limited success on relatively healthy fish, which your fish is not. It also doesn't stop new cysts from attaching once it is placed back in the tank.

Like Kristy said, the eye is more of a symptom, not another problem, and can heal if you are able to rid it of parasites.

Study the sticky in the emergency forum. It has a lot of good info on ich.

[Mike]

Puffers are very prone to ich... The fact he is not eating is not a good sign. Maybe try soaking his favorite food in some garlic and vitamins before feeding. Maybe try some live feeder shrimp to elicite a feeding response. Fingers crossed for the little guy.

[tystxne1]

well im sorry i haven't posted in awhile ive been very busy at work. well i regret to say that the puffer is gone. ......
and every fish in my reef tank also passed away.:mad: i assume because we put the puffer in the reef tanks water trying to help so i have a 120 gal tank with an eel. and a 70 gal reef tank with no fish... but i got some big helthy shrimp that made it. well im gonna give my tanks a good month with nothing new in them and with heavy water changes to see if maybe the parasites will go away.

wow i feel ive learnt some very expensive lessons here...........lol thatks for all u guys help aswell and im never gonna give up my quest for awesome saltwater tanks