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bjgf15
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 05:37 PM
I thought I'd share the results of a brief preliminary experiment I conducted on the affects of mature sand beds on Phosphate levels within an aquarium.

The experiment was spurred by the fact that I had a persistent algae problem on my sand bed (and some of my rocks close to the sand), despite having a large, efficient skimmer, great flow, carbon reactor, large phosban reactor, UV sterilizer etc... And also the fact that Dr. Ron Schimek preaches sand beds as the MOST important part of any reef tank in one of his books.

Now, the smart money would be on me overstocking/overfeeding my tank. And while the tank is well stocked and fed, water parameters always were ALWAYS great, so hence my experiment...

I had access to a very accurate colorimeter which can measure PO4 to 0.001 ppm! So I decided to put it to good use.

I tested water column water and pore water (from within the sand bed) of 3 mature (2+ yrs) reef tanks. I found very low (0.02 ppm or less) PO4 in the water columns of the systems but found highly elevated PO4 levels in the pore water (0.05ppm+) at the bottom of the sand beds. The more heavily stocked systems had higher PO4 in the sand. High PO4 levels also appear to be correlated with the depth of the sand bed.

What I can conclude from this little experiment is that sand tends to leach PO4 (and presumably other organics) over time as waste is broken down by microbes. Skimmers are designed to remove organics BEFORE they are broken down into small molecules such as PO4 and as a results skimmers don't remove PO4 very effectively. This can trigger blooms of undesirable algae and/or cause you to go through expensive media such as GFO much quicker than need be.

I have since removed the vast majority of sand from one of the tanks (I like the look of sand so I have left 1/4" on the bottom) to see whether this is effective in stopping the elevated PO4 levels in the sand.

Europhyllia
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 05:52 PM
it's so worth it though!

Now that I have observed what jawfish can build in a 6" sandbed I feel bad for all the jawfish having to live with a measely 3".

Plus wouldn't macro algae suck up some of that PO4? Or carbon sources (both solid or otherwise)?

kkiel02
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 06:43 PM
Do you mind sharing the depths of sand you tested? I have always tried to stay under a inch. Although the 180 had a 2-3 inch sandbed(which is supposed to be a no no but I had no ill affects that I could see/test). The sand bed I am now using is 1/4 inch just for looks.

Along with what Karin asked- Do you have a fuge setup in the system? If so, how big?

Europhyllia
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 06:57 PM
Along with what Karin asked- Do you have a fuge setup in the system? If so, how big? Or even better macro in the display for a more natural look. :) (when I had that pesty caulerpa in my tank my levels or N and P always were non detect and that was a DSB tank as well)

and what constitutes mature?

bjgf15
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 07:42 PM
it's so worth it though!

Now that I have observed what jawfish can build in a 6" sandbed I feel bad for all the jawfish having to live with a measely 3".

Plus wouldn't macro algae suck up some of that PO4? Or carbon sources (both solid or otherwise)?

Karin, I think it all depends on what your goal is for your tank/inhabitants.

For you, jawfish are a 'main attraction' in your system. So you need to have deep sand to keep them healthy and happy long term. If over time your sand begins to act as a nutrient seep, like you suggest, growing macro algae may be a way to offset this. I had a 20 gal fuge on my tank (where I removed a hand full of algae per week) and it didn't seem to do much. I have since removed the fuge and saw no increase in algal growth.

I just wanted to share this info with people because as far as I know no one has demonstrated (only speculated) that sand can indeed be a source of PO4 into a reef tank.

Europhyllia
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 07:45 PM
got ya. and it is a very interesting point. thanks for sharing your findings :)

bjgf15
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 07:45 PM
Do you mind sharing the depths of sand you tested? I have always tried to stay under a inch. Although the 180 had a 2-3 inch sandbed(which is supposed to be a no no but I had no ill affects that I could see/test). The sand bed I am now using is 1/4 inch just for looks.

Along with what Karin asked- Do you have a fuge setup in the system? If so, how big?

Sand depths were 2", 4" and 6". Two tanks had a fuge.

bjgf15
Mon, 18th Oct 2010, 07:57 PM
got ya. and it is a very interesting point. thanks for sharing your findings :)

It's a topic that's gotten my interest lately... especially since most environments (especially SPS tanks) people try to recreate in their tanks have very little if any sand in nature. Even patch reefs, on the scale of our tanks, have no sand in the areas we try to recreate. Plus, sand adjacent to reefs is very deep so it's possible that much of the labile (usuable) organics are buried. Natural sand beds also have WAAAY more diversity of microbes and other organisms which stir/recycle/trap nutrients. Any nutrients which do escape are diluted in Billions of gallons of pristine oceanic water.

It is just my opinion, but unless a tank needs deep sand, such as in your case, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to run anything more than a 1/4" if you're not a fan of the BB look.

alton
Tue, 19th Oct 2010, 06:11 AM
Where there rocks in these aquariums sitting on the glass with the sand filled in and around the rocks, or where the rocks sitting on top of the sand?