I like it!

[Europhyllia]

Just wanted to say how wonderful it is to see sponsor stores reply to inquiries with good and honest information even if it means missing out on a sale at times.
Of course it's disappointing to be told 'this is not a good match for your set up' but I think it's so much better to know stuff like that than to hand over a check for a critter that's doomed from the get go.
Gives us a chance to get a different set up or a different critter and enjoy success rather than misery.
:thumbs_up:
Anyway just wanted you to know it's not going unnoticed ;)

[bjgf15]

Gabe brought up a very good point in another thread that's quickly going down the toilet, so I'll post this here:


You know the bad part is that yeah he is dead set on one but .. from the sounds of it and not trying to make another sponsor or non sponsor store look bad but someone is willing to order him one !! That is the problem instead of waiting and trying to get a good one from Brad (GCR) another store is willing to get whatever one is on a list that fits into the budget..One of many things wrong with this hobby!!

Thanks Gabe, for bringing up a very good point… that is actually one of the reasons I became involved with GC Reef in the first place. Personally I could care less about selling someone an octopus (or any other delicate fish/invert for that matter)… I would rather see someone be successful because it means they’ll enjoy this great hobby and more importantly, successful hobbyists will have a greater appreciation for our oceans (and all that lives in it) while having a lower impact on natural reefs!

The problem is, that some sponsors/other stores don’t care about any of that, and if they can make a buck then they will! This actually ends up turning into a lose-lose situation because if a customer buys things that end up disappointing them, they’ll either lose interest entirely or stop shopping at that store (never mind the moral and ecological implications of the wild caught animals). So, in reality it pays to be both an informative retailer and an informed/open minded customer. The only way to invoke this type of change falls entirely into the lap of the consumer. Consumers dictate how stores operate… NOT the other way around!

[Kristy]

Great dialogue! There are so many difficult ethical issues in this hobby. The deeper in I get, the more complex it gets.

[chunkymonkey]

agreed. That is how I met Gabe before he opened his own place. Everytime I buy something or have an interest, he quickly runs down my list of occupants to make sure I won't have compatibility issues or size restrictions. I love Responsible sellers.

[Third Coast Tropical]

Hats of to both GCReef (Brad) and Gabe's Fish (Gabe) for promoting responsible reef-keeping/hobbyist. It is unfortunate some people won't listen, especially for the livestock involved.

[TEXASFIST210]

LOL

[Neptune@gabesfish]

I really dont understand what is funny bud.. You ask for help and people offer it and now you wont take any advice that is offered cause its not what you want to hear..And now you know everything you would ever need to know cause you researched it for a week .. Now thats funny!!

[Europhyllia]

LOL
Not quite as hilarious for the livestock (or the wallet) I am sure. :wink_smile:

On a positive note I guess in smaller tanks it's easier to afford to just replace the livestock frequently. In bigger tanks that type of stocking plan is a little more cost prohibitive... :bigsmile:

[TEXASFIST210]

lol

[TEXASFIST210]

chill. its just fish. fighting over it is funny.
like i said i know ya r giving me info
but u dont have to fight over fish

ps it has not been a week i just posted this
i was just saying that lol

I dont have time to fight over fish
there is better stuff to do then that.

[syncere]

He is probably going to spend the money on it anyway. How about just leave him be and help out those who really do want to care for living things. The more he is discouraged is just adding more fuel to the fire and will thrive off of everyone being so bothered by it. just my 2 cents

[Neptune@gabesfish]

See thats the problem its not just fish.. Thats like saying its just a dog I can leave it in the car.. Or how about its just a kid..IMHO you are in the wrong hobby.

[RayAllen]

lol

Building quite a reputation for yourself. No need to fuel this any further. There was no need for you to reply to this thread when you asked for the other to be closed.

Just let it be and go on with your plans. I wish you the best of luck.

[Third Coast Tropical]

. its just fish.


actually, it is a cephalopod....obviously you learned a lot in your 1 week of research.

You obviously don't have respect for the lives of animals, nor much respect for the hobby. That is sad. Not funny.

[TEXASFIST210]

chill. its just fish. fighting over it is funny.
like i said i know ya r giving me info
but u dont have to fight over fish

ps it has not been a week i just posted this
i was just saying that lol

I dont have time to fight over fish
there is better stuff to do then that.

[hobogato]

sorry, i have to disagree with you here.

we are the stewards of the things we keep. it is our responsibility to do the very best job we can to give these living things the best life possible. with the attitude "it is just fish," it just doesnt seem like you are taking that responsibility very seriously.

just because we can doesnt always mean we should.


chill. its just fish. fighting over it is funny.
like i said i know ya r giving me info
but u dont have to fight over fish

[TEXASFIST210]

well can u stop this forum its just causing
more drama.

[Europhyllia]

syncere,
I really started this thread on purpose completely apart from any other posts to let the stores that run their business responsibly and with consideration for all things living know that their way of doing business is NOTICED AND APPRECIATED.
Not just in any particular incident but in general.
Since this type of transaction isn't what some people are interested in I was kind of surprised to see those types of customers on *my* thread.
I did not intent for two threads to get intermingled.

But yeah we are a fish board! lol Of course we take fish (and cephalopods ;) ) serious!

[TEXASFIST210]

what i ment by that is u dont have to fight about fish i never said i dont care.

[TEXASFIST210]

well iim sorry for that. i wouldnt have gotten on it but i saw my name in this forum

[bjgf15]

Sorry Karin,

I was intending to post some informative info for others related to what you posted...

I didn't intend for this either!

[hobogato]

good point karin. can we please keep this thread on topic.

[hobogato]

i too very much appreciate responsible selling as well as responsible buying :)

[bjgf15]

well iim sorry for that. i wouldnt have gotten on it but i saw my name in this forum

FYI, no one mentioned your name before you posted

[Third Coast Tropical]

well iim sorry for that. i wouldnt have gotten on it but i saw my name in this forum

Really???...none of the post prior to your first post in this thread even mention your username...

[hobogato]

please :D


good point karin. can we please keep this thread on topic.

[Third Coast Tropical]

Again....Gabe and Brad...your concern/passion for what you do will (and probably already has) pay dividends for you and your businesses...Thank you.

[TEXASFIST210]

lol

[Europhyllia]

lol
I can remove the mention of your user name from my previous post if it will stop you from posting on my thread :wink_smile:

[FireWater]

Karin, sorry that your thread went the way it did. Hopefully all posters from now on will stay to the topic that you started out with.

I know I agree with the ethics and professionalism of both vendors mentioned. I also like the fact that we are blessed with several good vendors in our area. Thanks!

[syncere]

syncere,
I really started this thread on purpose completely apart from any other posts to let the stores that run their business responsibly and with consideration for all things living know that their way of doing business is NOTICED AND APPRECIATED.
Not just in any particular incident but in general.
Since this type of transaction isn't what some people are interested in I was kind of surprised to see those types of customers on *my* thread.
I did not intent for two threads to get intermingled.

But yeah we are a fish board! lol Of course we take fish (and cephalopods ;) ) serious!

I understand. I've been out to a couple of the sponsors stores and felt very welcome into the hobby and know that any info I can get is well appreciated. Just trying to learn as much as I can before diving in.

[Big_Pun]

it's great when a lfs tells you it's a bad idea/plan and helps you come up with another strategy, also when our great members post constructive critism. I know I wouldn't be as successful in this hobby if it wasn't for the help, I'm glad I found this forum as soon as I got my tank. one year down in feb and still love this hobby