Apogee MQ-200 Quantum PAR meter

[dipan]

Alright, I was hoping to wander around town and check out folks tanks while checking PAR on said tanks, but time is limiting me severely. Any extra time I find I'm putting into my family or tank build (serious time sink).

But ... I'd like to make the PAR meter available to charter members to use, especially since I'm not doing anything with it at the moment. When I start assembling my light fixture and start tweeking it, I would likely need to use it pretty heavily. For this reason I'd like to maintain ownership, but if it would be better to simply donate it to MAAST, then I'm willing to. Anyways, for anyone that's interested, PM me and you can come by and pick it up. If the mod's have a better system for sharing equipment amongst charter members, please let me know.

I would also like to see some pics of said tanks and request that anyone that borrows it post a pic here with a detailed description of lighting (fixture, reflector, bulb, ballast, height above water, tank depth) with PAR measurements listed in various locations on the tank. I'm open to other suggestions y'all might have.

txav8r has first dibs as he's been waiting for me to come by and measure his LED lit nano ...

[corruption]

What a generous offer -- I'd like to throw my name in the hat as well, after Steven gets his run.. Would love to test my LED build and my new IceCap hood :)

-Justin

[justahobby]

Sounds great, I posted a while back asking if anyone had a meter. I PM'd you w/ details. And I'd be happy to post the stats on her.

BTW, I think you meant txg8gxp

[Big_Pun]

if you can you can swing by and check mine ive always been curious,

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/stangchris/211.jpg

[dipan]

Justin, sorry didn't see your earlier post. I would have offered otherwise. You're right, I did mean txg8gxp. I sent him a PM and hopefully he'll be the first to get it soon. You, corruption, and Chris can have it next ...

[Big_Pun]

thank you, very generous of you, might also have time to get me one the new elos bulbs

[Paul28]

If you want to come check my tank out your welcom anytime and yeh i would love to youse the par meter i run alot of light on my tank to :)

[txav8r]

I was thinking to my self, I don't remember building an LED hood for my Bio-cube. My memory must be getting really bad! LOL

That is very generous of you to offer the meter to Charter members that wand to use it. Thank You very much!

[dipan]

Paul, thanks for the offer. Look forward to seeing your measurements!

[hobogato]

i would like to use it, but not until summer time when the sun is at it's brightest. or, i could use it now and then again...

[dipan]

i would like to use it, but not until summer time when the sun is at it's brightest. or, i could use it now and then again...

It would be cool to see the numbers from your solar tubes. The meter is with Justin right now and he's going to pass it along when he's finished. I figure we can just pass it along. If no one else needs it the last person can drop it off with me or a LFS if the owners don't mind.

[corruption]

Justin and I will be meeting up Tuesday -- I should be done by Saturday-Sunday, whoever is up next just let me know and we can arrange something :)

Dipan -- thanks again for the generous offer... I can't wait to see the findings I get, and everyone else! It should be a prerequisite, if you're gonna use the PAR meter, provide some results (preferably charted out on a full tank shot :D) I know I will be :)

-Justin

[kkiel02]

This is awesome. I would like a turn when it becomes available as I have 20k and want to switch to 12k and record the results. Although the 20k are 7 months old...

[justahobby]

This is a great little instrument! I hope everyone will post their results so we can have our own mini Sanjay lighting guide.

My results are posted here:
http://maast.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57070

[corydrysdale]

Great idea, and id love to be in line. Somehow i can almost see my results! Im running a lonely 150 watt x3 using 14000K phoenix bulbs. on my 120 gallons. Certainly bluer then my old 10000k coralifes were.

With this information, how would one put together what corals should be receiving what level of light. Is there a cart, book, culmination of maast members findings? where we can move certain corals to other places in our tanks to take advantage of the par levels.

[justahobby]

I found a chart, but I'm skeptical and think it's very overrated. I burn coral with a lot less par than they claim are needed:

http://samsreef.com/content/view/22/2/

[corydrysdale]

Wow, I think i just found my answer to my question that i just asked. A llittle searching located a great forum conversation between Anthony Calfo and other forum member off the marine depot site. If you care to read...talks about PAR/LUX and that there is no book to guide by due to so many lighting conditions changing for said coral coming from the ocean to our aquarium. Very interesting reading here guys. Helped me understand a lot more inreguards to lighting use.
Here's the link.

http://forum.marinedepot.com/Topic24408-13-2.aspx

[Mr Cob]

I would also like to be in line but don't want it for a couple of weeks. I have a temporary light fixture over my tank running MH 150w x 2 since one of my 250watters blew. So ...waiting on new lights. Might try and test both.

[dipan]

Cool. Looks like we'll be seeing lots of numbers soon ...

Maybe we should just leave it up to the person who has the meter to figure out who gets it next. Should be easy enough to figure out as long as anyone interested posts in this thread.

[txav8r]

I'd like to use it at the same time as Mr Cob.

Thanks, Dipan for making this available! That is very generous of you.

[Big_Pun]

hey rob king of list and all thing organized think you can get a sticky going i could keep track whos next and pm you so you can keep the list current

[Mr Cob]

Yes, very cool of you! Can't believe I've been in this hobby for so long and never even carred to look at what my light was actually doing.

Chris....my fellow MAASTARD...I'm not sure I want to keep track of another list. I'm pretty slammed with checking that Frag program day and night.

I would be happy to sticky something for you....but Jack may have some ideas since he's the go to man for the library.

[Europhyllia]

I'd love to try it out too! :)

[txav8r]

I can sticky this thread. Did you have something else in mind Chris?

I'd be happy to keep up with it but it's really up to the OP/Owner of the meter. He didn't donate it to MAAST, he just offered it to members to use.

[Big_Pun]

just a a clear list so we dont have to look thru this whole thread for the next person in line for the meter also help dipan track who has it

[dipan]

Rob, I have no specific thoughts of organizing this in mind. Any help or advice you can offer would be appreciated. I just thought that whoever has the meter currently could consult this thread and figure it out for himself/herself who needs it next.

[txav8r]

Okay. We will leave it like it is. I will make this a sticky in the Library.

Thanks again, Dipan!

[dipan]

Steven (txg8gxp) PM'd me saying that he now has some time, so if he could get placed in the queue for the meter tour that would be great. Looking forward to see his all LED PAR numbers.

[saabtech]

once the meter gets into the NE side (schertz, UC, LaVernia) i would like to compare the 96w CF i have installed to the retrofit 3w cree led system i made.
i would also be able to compair 40 and 80 degree lenses at various depths. (up to 26 inches) and at varying power levels (up to 1000 ma from each buck puck) i have a fluke 88 digital true rms multi-meter and could get some amp reading to each led.
i also have an inductive pickup amp meter that i could use for power draw readings from various lamps for comparison.

[Pennies2Cents]

dipan,

This is a very nice of you. I hope that when our 240 comes along and we have it setup & cycled that this will still be available. :) Feb 5th expected tank arrival date. :)

Thanks again. :)

[ErikH]

SWEET! Thank you so much for your generosity. You just never know until you know!

[dipan]

dipan,

This is a very nice of you. I hope that when our 240 comes along and we have it setup & cycled that this will still be available. :) Feb 5th expected tank arrival date. :)

Thanks again. :)

I have no plans to expire the offer :)

[Big_Pun]

if its ok with everyone else could Steven (txg8gxp), be put in after justin(curruption) and just bump me, ill use it after steven, i really want to see the LED readings

[corruption]

Stephen was actually before me before, but Justin (justahobby -- not takling in the 3rd person here! :rofl:) said that he believed that Stephen wasn't ready yet... if he is, I'm all for it -- just tell me who to deliver the unit to when I'm done! :D

-Justin

[dipan]

Stephen was actually before me before, but Justin (justahobby -- not takling in the 3rd person here! :rofl:) said that he believed that Stephen wasn't ready yet... if he is, I'm all for it -- just tell me who to deliver the unit to when I'm done! :D

-Justin

Cool ... Let's let Stephen have it next then ...

[corruption]

Sounds good to me -- I'm expecting Justin to call any time now for meeting up.. I should be done by this weekend. Stephen -- PM me your number/location so we can arrange a meetup :)

-Justin

[Gseclipse02]

can we see front to back ratings also ...

[saabtech]

once the meter gets into the NE side (schertz, UC, LaVernia) i would like to compare the 96w CF i have installed to the retrofit 3w cree led system i made.
i would also be able to compair 40 and 80 degree lenses at various depths. (up to 26 inches) and at varying power levels (up to 1000 ma from each buck puck) i have a fluke 88 digital true rms multi-meter and could get some amp readings to each led.
i also have an inductive pickup amp meter that i could use for power draw readings from various lamps for comparison.

this is very generous offer to allow charter members to use this tool and i would think that i could be of value concerning expanding the knowledge of led lighing. (see post in quote)
bump?

[justahobby]

Not even 24 hrs. since it left my possession and I already miss that meter!

[aquasport24]

Thanks for your offer, It would be interesting to check out my Shallow cube 16" w/ 400w halide. I'd like to be in line once it get to the N.E side of town.

[dipan]

this is very generous offer to allow charter members to use this tool and i would think that i could be of value concerning expanding the knowledge of led lighing. (see post in quote)
bump?

Sorry Kevin. I didn't realize there was a question or request in there. Feel free to use the meter when it gets to your side of town ...

[corydrysdale]

Hey guys. Was going over the list of potential borrowers and confused myself. Not knowing everyone by name yet, I came up with a list that may or may not be 100% accurate for myself. If no one minds, I wrote down the names of those who are interested in the order they made a request and this is what I ended up with.

The list is from the first person who received the PAR meter.

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...believed finished this weekend 30th
txq8qxp
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Saabtech
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24


anyone have anything to add feel free.

[Gseclipse02]

can i be added ??? i just switched out 13+ month old t5 bulbs on one side of my tank with new bulbs and would love to see what the difference in par is

[txav8r]

Cory, Thanks for making the list! That should help a bunch.

JT, just copy Cory's list, add your name and repost it. This should keep things fairly organized

[Gseclipse02]

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...believed finished this weekend 30th
txq8qxp
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Saabtech
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02

:)

[dipan]

I'll let Ace (hobogato) decide where he wants to be on the list, because he did post early on that he was interested also ...

[corruption]

Heya folks,

Sorry about the delay on my part. Entirely my fault -- I've been absolutely slammed with work this week and basically haven't had any free time yet... and it doesn't appear to be reducing yet. I will be getting in contact with Stephen to deliver tomorrow.

Thanks for the patience, and thanks again for the incredibly generous offer, Dipan!

-Justin

[txg8gxp]

I now have the PAR meter and will try to get all the testing done tonight. I will have the tests done by sunday evening for sure.

[Big_Pun]

take ur time

[saabtech]

now i have it. will get all the testing done on Monday. Ace will need to come over and pic up a frag from me (from the exchange) and will then have control of it for some time.

thanks again dipan this will be a nice valuable reference for many reefers.
(i think it needs a battery (indicator flashing) were can i get a Cr2320 battery locally)

[dipan]

now i have it. will get all the testing done on Monday. Ace will need to come over and pic up a frag from me (from the exchange) and will then have control of it for some time.

thanks again dipan this will be a nice valuable reference for many reefers.
(i think it needs a battery (indicator flashing) were can i get a Cr2320 battery locally)

No problem. Never really used it much to need a battery change, but I suppose any grocery store or Radio Shack should have it if it's one of those flat round lithium batteries. I think most pharmacies (CVS, Walgreens, etc) also sell them ...

[Big_Pun]

so where is it goin next i thought we where going in order??

[hobogato]

yes, chris is ahead of me in line.

[Big_Pun]

thought i was ahead of saab also, hey ace since its there take it next, im ordering the new elos bulb at the end of the week be nice to see diff in my current and new bulb

[hobogato]

ok, i will only need it for a day or two. that will also give me an excuse to meet up with you at gabe's and/or edward's :)

[saabtech]

so where is it goin next i thought we where going in order??
didnt mean to step on any toes. i just used it because stephen is within 4 miles of my house (i got stephen into saltwater) but i hope there is no hard feelings.

[Big_Pun]

no worries

[hobogato]

ok, got it last night. i will need to keep it until saturday so i can get numbers in the middle of the day when the sun is bright.

[corruption]

Woo, this will be interesting to see... also will be interesting to see how widely they vary from dead of winter to peak of summer :)

-Justin

[hobogato]

thanks again for allowing us to use this!

posted my numbers in the other thread and dropped off the meter with eve (pennies2cents) for chris to pick it up.

[clone]

I was wondering if I could get a chance to use this. PLEASE. Just wondering what a 8 bulb t-5 puts out.

[txav8r]

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone

Updated the list for y'all.

[clone]

how quickly is this thing travling?

[Pennies2Cents]

I currently have it to give to StangChris. He doesnt live to far from me. At the same time I will be measuring my par... :)

[Gseclipse02]

Any updates ?

[Big_Pun]

i will be picking it up today, sorry been busy with school, but i will use it sat and have at the meeting sunday if corydrysdale can pick it up then, either way i will be done with it by sunday

[txav8r]

how quickly is this thing travling?


186,000 miles per second... The speed of light!!

[Mr Cob]

how quickly is this thing travling?

Come on man...do your own math.... :D

1 person per every 4 days.

Not too bad. 6 peeps already in just 25 days.

[Big_Pun]

iam done,waitin on reply from cory

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone

[corydrysdale]

picked up from Chris and will be using sunday the 7th. Will probably drop off to KKiel02 if hes in the store on tuesday

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...will be done by Sunday evening (3/7)
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone[/QUOTE]

[corydrysdale]

picked up from Chris and will be using sunday the 7th. Will probably drop off to KKiel02 if hes in the store on tuesday

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...will be done by Sunday evening (3/7)
KKiel02...passed until he gets his new lights
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone[/QUOTE]

[dipan]

Bump.

Where are we on this?

[txav8r]

Looks like Cory still has it.

Let's get this thing moving again!

[Mr Cob]

Cory dropped it off at Reefs2u for me over the weekend. Jack, since we are next in line...you can pick it up any time from Jeremy or I can pick it up on Wednesday evening.

[txav8r]

Sweet! I should be over there tomorrow afternoon. I can pick it up then if everything works out.

[Mr Cob]

K, sounds good....if so, then you can use it first, then I will pick it up from you....if not, I can pick it up Wednesday.

I'll be testing 10k, 14k and 20k bulbs at different ages.

[Mr Cob]

Is there a learning curve to use this thing?

[justahobby]

Make sure your arm is not casting a shadow or you could attach acrylic using the attached screw. Other than that, its very sensitive so if you aren't pointing the sensor at the exact same degree in every new spot your readings may not graph very well

[corydrysdale]

picked up from Chris and will be using sunday the 7th. Will probably drop off to KKiel02 if hes in the store on tuesday

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...done
KKiel02...passed until he gets new lights
Mr Cob...Either Rob or Jack have it now
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone[/QUOTE]

[dipan]

Got an email from Apogee today:

Dear customers, if you are receiving this email, you purchased an Apogee Par Meter from us between the dates below. We have just been informed of a recall by Apogee on these meters and the information for getting your meter fixed is below. Please contact Apogee directly about these meters. Their phone number is (435) 792-4700 and their email address for the recall is techsupport@apogee-inst.com.
Thanks you,

Kell Humber

From Apogee:
*
Apogee Instruments is committed to helping you make accurate measurements.* We recently determined that an op-amp in our radiation meters manufactured between December 1, 2008 and December 1, 2009 had an insufficient settling time. This caused our quantum, pyranometer, and UV meters to read high in high light levels. The meters are accurate from zero to 300 ìmol m-2 s-1, but are 5% high at 750 and 9% high at 2100 ìmol m-2 s-1. The affected serial numbers for your quantum meters, MQ-200, are 1001 to 1254.
*
To insure that your meters are as accurate as possible under all light intensities, please return it to us for a firmware update and recalibration. We will cover all shipping costs both ways. We expect to be able to return your meters to you within a few days after arrival. Please email techsupport@apogee-inst.com to coordinate the return. We apologize for this inconvenience and look forward to continuing to work with you to make the most cost-effective measurements possible.
*
Sincerely,

Bruce Bugbee
President, Apogee Instruments
*




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[Big_Pun]

does this mean we have to start over

[Europhyllia]

I don't think so. How many had values over 2100 anyway?
I am sure it just means he has to send the instrument in.

[dipan]

Yeah, the details are in the email. You could theoretically adjust measured values by the percentages given to get a more accurate measurement. I would like to send it in for repairs, but if anyone wants to measure their tanks first, speak up. It's OK with me ...

[txav8r]

I can wait if you want to send it in now.

Thanks again for making this available to the members.

[dipan]

Ok ... who's got it now? If you're done, please PM me to figure out a meet ...

[txav8r]

I'm not sure but I believe Mr Cob has it.

[Mr Cob]

I just picked it up lastnight. Plan to use it this weekend and Jack lives right down the street from me....so perhaps after Jack it could go home for servicing....?

[txav8r]

I'd be glad to deliver it after I'm done or I can ship it direct to the company for servicing it that would be easier.

[dipan]

I'd be glad to deliver it after I'm done or I can ship it direct to the company for servicing it that would be easier.

I'm glad you offered :)

I hate shipping stuff.

I just sent the following second email to Apogee. I'll let you know where the meter needs to be sent ...

"I emailed tech support as requested the day that I got your email and I have not heard from you about returning the meter for repair ...

Please reply so that this can be corrected ASAP. I am currently sharing the meter with MAAST, a marine enthusiast group in south Texas, and we would all appreciate an accurate instrument.

Thank you ... Dipan"

[txav8r]

I'll be waiting for a shipping address.
Glad to do it.

[dipan]

Meter came back yesterday from Apogee, recalibrated. Whoever is next can contact to pick it up or arrange a meet!

[txav8r]

I'd like it back. I'll call in a bit.

[hobogato]

i would like to get in line again please so i can get summertime readings since the sun is REALLLLY bright coming in now.

[dipan]

Jack may have gotten busy. If the next person would like it, PM me and we can figure out a meet. Otherwise Ace could borrow it next. Someone let me know ...

[txav8r]

I've been swamped at work. I'll just try to get it later on down the road.

[Europhyllia]

I will pass on my turn. I am getting ready to tear this set up down and start new so no need to measure right now. :)

[Europhyllia]

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...done
KKiel02...passed until he gets new lights
Mr Cob...
Txav8r ... gets it next
Euromom passed due to tear down
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone

[Pennies2Cents]

That would be me! :) When where could it be arranged for picked up?

[dipan]

That would be me! :) When where could it be arranged for picked up?

It's at my place right now. If you live near Shavano Park you could pick it up, or we could meet at a LFS. I'm working today but should be back by evening.

[ramsey]

I'd like to get in line to borrow the PAR meter.

[roscozman]

dipan,

We (Pennies2Cents and I ) are going to have to pass for now. Next in line can go ahead...

Thanks!!

[aquasport24]

I am next in line, and i'd like to pass too. Thanks for an awesome offer.

[hobogato]

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...done
KKiel02...passed until he gets new lights
Mr Cob...
Txav8r ... gets it next
Euromom passed due to tear down
Pennies2Cents passed
aquasport24 passed
Gseclipse02
Clone

[hobogato]

i would also like to use it again to get some summer sun numbers - thanks again dipan!

[ErikH]

I would like to test the numbers on the 200, let me know!

[dipan]

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...done
KKiel02...passed until he gets new lights
Mr Cob...
Txav8r ... gets it next
Euromom passed due to tear down
Pennies2Cents passed
aquasport24 passed
Gseclipse02 has it now will pass to Clone when done
Clone
Hobogato
ErikH

[BIGBIRD123]

I would like to be put in line, so I can test the Tropics that are housed under my canopy...

[BIGBIRD123]

We haven't been getting people's results posted. I would like to know their readings, where in the tank and what their array of lighting is...this would help for newbies and people on their options to form an opinion on what type of lighting they need. This is one of the hardest decisions of the tank...lighting.

[ramsey]

Dipan, I don't think I was added to the list. :( I think I should be in between clone and Hobogato.

[dipan]

Dipan, I don't think I was added to the list. :( I think I should be in between clone and Hobogato.

So sorry. Just missed it.

justahobby...finished using it
curruption...Done
txq8qxp...Done
Saabtech...Done
Hobogato...Done and passing on to stangchris via P2C
stangchris-finished
corydrysdale...done
KKiel02...passed until he gets new lights
Mr Cob...
Txav8r ... gets it next
Euromom passed due to tear down
Pennies2Cents passed
aquasport24 passed
Gseclipse02 has it now will pass to Clone when done
Clone
Ramsey
Hobogato
ErikH

[txav8r]

I've already had it. I sent it in for calibration.

[aquasport24]

We haven't been getting people's results posted. I would like to know their readings, where in the tank and what their array of lighting is...this would help for newbies and people on their options to form an opinion on what type of lighting they need. This is one of the hardest decisions of the tank...lighting.
I did mine right in front of MAAST............remember?...........lol.

[ErikH]

Update? I recently got a bunch of new coral and I really need the readings. Some corals are frying some are not. I posted a pic of my 75 with the readings, and the bulb and ballast combos. I will post another one once I get new readings. :)

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x315/erikharrison/Fish/FTS-PAR.jpg

I would be glad to help any o you scrubs do the like with a picture as long as you can send me a pic, and one that you did in mspaint with the readings on it. I'll make your mess purdy. :)

LET ME KNOWS!

[dipan]

So it's been a good month since I dropped it off with gseclipse ... Update??? Where are we now? Haven't seen any numbers posted for months!

[Big_Pun]

just got a new bulb and just found old readings from old bulb so I could compare. can I be thrown in line

[kkiel02]

So it's been a good month since I dropped it off with gseclipse ... Update??? Where are we now? Haven't seen any numbers posted for months!

Im thinking either gseclipse or clone? I am working hard to get these new lumenbrights up. I also want to see the difference between my old coralvue ballast and the new one I bought. It will still be another week though. :(

[txmike]

would like to be put in line for this

[dipan]

Well, I guess Gseclipse02 is done with it and waiting for Clone to get it. If Clone doesn't mind, and if he doesn't have time, maybe we can skip him for now and get it to Ramsey. Any objections? Clone?

[ramsey]

I'm ready whenever!

[dipan]

Clone PM'd me to let me know it's ok to skip him. Ramsey can arrange to get it next and txmike can go to the end of the list.

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[ramsey]

Cool, I'll get with Gseclipse02 and find out when we can meet up.

[txg8gxp]

I'm waiting to see what these numbers are....
I would like to be added to the list agian please, It would be cool to see the difference between the white and super blue led modules.

Cool, I'll get with Gseclipse02 and find out when we can meet up.

[hobogato]

go ahead and drop me from the list for now, i will use it next summer when the sun is at its brightest

[roscozman]

I would like to get in on the list. Since JT posted about his T5's, we would like to know how ours are doing...

[ramsey]

I picked up the PAR meter from JT today.

[ramsey]

Got my PAR results. I'm really happy with the numbers. My lights are about 6"-7" above the water line. The first pic is with white at 75% and blue at 100%. This is what I keep it on. Second pic is with both at 100%. My tank is 175G, 72" wide X 30" deep.

http://ramseypawlik.com/par-b100-w75.JPG
http://ramseypawlik.com/par-b100-w100.JPG


:bigsmile::applause:

[ErikH]

I am ready!

[Big_Pun]

can we get a list update since a couple people requested to be added including me

[ErikH]

justahobby
curruption
txq8qxp
Saabtech
Hobogato
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone
Ramsey
ErikH *current user*
BigBird
StangChris
KKeil
txmike
txg8gxp
roscozman
neogenix

[txg8gxp]

Not bad at all.....

Got my PAR results. I'm really happy with the numbers. My lights are about 6"-7" above the water line. The first pic is with white at 75% and blue at 100%. This is what I keep it on. Second pic is with both at 100%. My tank is 175G, 72" wide X 30" deep.

http://ramseypawlik.com/par-b100-w75.JPG
http://ramseypawlik.com/par-b100-w100.JPG


:bigsmile::applause:

[ErikH]

what kind of LED rig is that?

[ramsey]

It's 4 Aqua Illumination modules (the white not the new blue),

[neogenix]

Hey Guys,

Can you put me in the list too please :)

[ErikH]

added!

[neogenix]

Thanks!!

[Big_Pun]

bump where is it at, just trying to keep ball rolling

[ErikH]

I have it and will be done with it this weekend

[z28pwr]

justahobby
curruption
txq8qxp
Saabtech
Hobogato
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone
Ramsey
ErikH *current user*
BigBird
StangChris
KKeil
txmike
txg8gxp
roscozman
neogenix
z28pwr

Added myself to the list.

[roscozman]

Last posted reading on this was about a month ago. Any way we can get this moving faster?

[Big_Pun]

ill get it this week and get it right to you ross, i apologize for the delay

[roscozman]

It looks like BigBird was the last one to receive the Par Meter.

I have been in contact with stangchris who contacted BB and he agreed to drop it off at Gabe's Fish (with Gabe's approval). However Chris has not heard from him for some time.

Does anyone personally know Bird and can contact him regarding this piece of equipment? From what I understand, the Par Meter does not belong to MAAST, but to an individual who graciously lent this out to members.

[dipan]

It looks like BigBird was the last one to receive the Par Meter.

I have been in contact with stangchris who contacted BB and he agreed to drop it off at Gabe's Fish (with Gabe's approval). However Chris has not heard from him for some time.

Does anyone personally know Bird and can contact him regarding this piece of equipment? From what I understand, the Par Meter does not belong to MAAST, but to an individual who graciously lent this out to members.

The meter is mine. I was hoping this would proceed a little more quickly than it has from person to person without rules or anything like that, but perhaps it would be a good idea to limit usage to a week. That should be enough time to get what readings you want. You could also push yourself down the list if something comes up and you can't use it in a reasonable period of time.

Also, I haven't seen much in the way of readings. One of the requests I made before loaning this out, was that if you used the meter, you post up some numbers so other MAASTards can learn or at least get a good idea what light setup puts out what par on a certain tank. I hope folks can make some progress with this. I think Erik even offered to help with this part.

Let's keep this going please ...

[ErikH]

I would have posted my readings but I learned almost instantaneously that it was pretty much impossible for me to get an accurate reading because I have a canopy that is hinged in the back. All of my lights are mounted to it, so when I lift the canopy, the halides go up as well. :( It wasn't that way on my 75. I may hinge the front, that would solve my problem!

[SirReal63]

I would be interested in getting a par reading on my tank. It won't take long, easy access to all areas of tank. Put me in line. :-)

[roscozman]

dipan - Do you know Bird or Mrs. Bird? They currently have the par meter and are not responding to requests/questions about your equipment. Maybe you would have better luck?

[dipan]

dipan - Do you know Bird or Mrs. Bird? They currently have the par meter and are not responding to requests/questions about your equipment. Maybe you would have better luck?

I have heard from them, and I have met Steve. No need to be confrontational in this thread. They are trying as best as they can to get it to the next person.

[dipan]

I would have posted my readings but I learned almost instantaneously that it was pretty much impossible for me to get an accurate reading because I have a canopy that is hinged in the back. All of my lights are mounted to it, so when I lift the canopy, the halides go up as well. :( It wasn't that way on my 75. I may hinge the front, that would solve my problem!

If you mount he sensor to something like a piece of acrylic rod with a flat piece of acrylic on the end, maybe hinged, you could probably just set it in there and set the canopy down. The cable should be long enough ...

A bit more tedious, but you could get some measurements.

[Big_Pun]

I have heard from them, and I have met Steve. No need to be confrontational in this thread. They are trying as best as they can to get it to the next person.

thanks dipan, I had arranged for it to be dropped off at Gabes at his earliest convenience. is that still going to work for them ?

[jc]

So who has the meter right now? I'm almost done with a frag tank that is running par38 led bulbs and I wanted to check the light levels. I would really like to get on the list for the meter.

[roscozman]

Friendly Bump. Does anyone have an update?

[dipan]

Well I have exchanged a few PMs with mrsbigbird, but have been unsuccessful in getting this thing going. I cannot reach bigbird directly because he has PMs turned off. Last I heard from mrsbigbird 2-3 weeks ago, she was going to try to get him to bring it to Aquarium Designs. If bigbird is reading this, please contact me via PM so that I can arrange to get the meter back. I want it back personally now. If anyone else has a suggestion, please feel free to chime in.

[dipan]

The PAR meter is at Gabe's Fish and Exotic Pets. Whoever is next up can go pick it up. Please try to keep it for a week or two weekends at most. I think that would be fair to the other Charter Members that are waiting for it ... Dipan

[hobogato]

AWESOME!! glad it is back :D

[FireWater]

Glad it is still available for loan out. Hopefully we can start to see some numbers and results along with timely use.

[Big_Pun]

thanks you very much dipan! I'll swing by gabes and get it

[dipan]

Gabe has accepted my request to be official Keeper of the Meter. When the person who has it is done, please return it to Gabes. That way we don't have time coordination issues.

Also, though I didn't feel the need to spell it out before, if you don't think that you can be done with the meter in 1-2 weeks AND get the meter back to Gabes in 2 weeks, please pass on your turn. It is not fair to everyone else waiting to use it.

Please also remember that this was started so that we can all learn more about lighting setups and SHARE with the community. Post up your readings when you're done. Erik has already offered to help people with the digital stuff involved in regards to getting numbers written on a JPG.

Now I just need to get off my lazy *** and build the LED cannons that I have been planning for over a year ... :)

[neogenix]

I'm itching to get it so that I can test my T5's and set my AI's properly... but fortunately my controller for my aqua illuminations is playing doa, so I'm waiting for a replacement for that before I *need* to test that stuff ;)

[Mr Cob]

You are very generous Dipan.

[justahobby]

That is great news! Thanks again for your superb generosity. If you ever need help holding a wrench or someone to gawk at your progress just shoot me a PM.

[ShAgMaN]

Is there an offical list, or is it first come, first use? I would love to borrow this for a day or two.

[dipan]

Is there an offical list, or is it first come, first use? I would love to borrow this for a day or two.

There's a list up the thread somewhere. Add yourself to it ...

[txmike]

justahobby
curruption
txq8qxp
Saabtech
Hobogato
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone
Ramsey
ErikH
BigBird
StangChris *current user*
KKeil
txmike
txg8gxp
roscozman
neogenix
z28pw
shagman

[Big_Pun]

I am finished with the meter and will take it to meeting to give to kkiel. when i post my pic do i post it on this thread?

[dipan]

I am finished with the meter and will take it to meeting to give to kkiel. when i post my pic do i post it on this thread?

http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?57070-Par-Results-are-in

[dipan]

I am not sure if there is a distinction or not, but we should probably make this available for our sponsors as well as charter members. What do guys think?

[Big_Pun]

i dont see a problem with that, then again its your meter so you let us know what you decide. also the meter will be at gabes by 4pm so who ever is next can get it.

[jc]

justahobby
curruption
txq8qxp
Saabtech
Hobogato
stangchris
corydrysdale
KKiel02
Mr Cob
Txav8r
Euromom
Pennies2Cents
aquasport24
Gseclipse02
Clone
Ramsey
ErikH
BigBird
StangChris *current user*
KKeil
txmike
txg8gxp
roscozman
neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc

[z28pwr]

I am finished with the meter and will take it to meeting to give to kkiel. when i post my pic do i post it on this thread?

Chris, is the Meter currently with Kevin?

[txmike]

I will pick this up tonight and pass it off as soon as i am done with it.

[kkiel02]

I actually had to pass as I wont be in town very much with Christmas.

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Meter is ready for pick Stephen(txg8gxp).. Please let me know when you are able to pick up

[alexdmg]

Could I get put on that list to borrow the par meter?

-Alex

[ErikH]

txg8gxp *waiting to be picked up at Gabe's*
roscozman
neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg

[alexdmg]

Thanks!

[txg8gxp]

Go ahead and skip over my turn, I will not be able to stop by to pick it up.

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Ok Ross is up and has been notified.. thanks

[roscozman]

Gabe, I will pick up today on my way home from work.

[jrnannery]

Place me on the list, please. Time to see what these babies can really do!!

[ShAgMaN]

Friendly bump - just wanted to see if roscozman is done and neogenix has it?

Sorry I'm getting kinda antsy, just expecting to get my new lights next weekend and z28pw is right down the road from me (next in line after roscozman). A before and after comparison would be cool.

[neogenix]

ive not got it yet... it wasnt at gabes on thursday.

[roscozman]

I still have it. I will drop off at Gabes tomorrow evening.

[z28pwr]

Patrick, do you have the Par Meter?

[jrnannery]

Sorry, but am I off the list?

[neogenix]

Patrick, do you have the Par Meter?

Nope, not yet, will be picking it up tonight. Unfortunately it only arrived back on wednesday night, and i wasn't able to swing by due to existing plans on thursday. I should hopefully be done with it towards the end of next week!

[hobogato]

looks like this is the current list:

neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery

[ShAgMaN]

Where's the meter at? It's been a while...

[dipan]

Have not seen much in the way of results guys ...

[neogenix]

Where's the meter at? It's been a while...

I have it, it should be back at gabes in the morning as soon as he's open and all :D Sorry, meant to drop it off today, but didn't get that far.


Have not seen much in the way of results guys ...

I have some results from my T5's, and then from my LED's, what'd be the way you'd want to see them shown?

[dipan]

I have it, it should be back at gabes in the morning as soon as he's open and all :D Sorry, meant to drop it off today, but didn't get that far.



I have some results from my T5's, and then from my LED's, what'd be the way you'd want to see them shown?

PAR results thread started by Justahobby (http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?57070-Par-Results-are-in)

[SirReal63]

I would like to add myself to the list. Curious what the 150 is putting out vs. the 250.

neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery
SirReal63

[Neptune@gabesfish]

z28pw meter is at store ready for pick up..

[ShAgMaN]

Thanks Gabe. When your done Jose I can just swing by your place - I'm sure Mizeny will have some coral I must have.

[z28pwr]

z28pw meter is at store ready for pick up..

Thanks Gabe, tried calling but got your fax. Will retry later.


Thanks Gabe. When your done Jose I can just swing by your place - I'm sure Mizeny will have some coral I must have.

Will do LOL..

[ErikH]

neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery
SirReal63
ErikH

Plasma is coming and I will be able to post my results at different intensities and kelvin rating woo hoo!

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Sorry Jose I was waiting on fax anyway swing by anytime or call my cell 845-0976.. Oh and Terry sorry buddy as silly as it sounds I need the meter back after every use. you can pick up here at store sorry..

[z28pwr]

Picked up the meter from Gabe this afternoon and wondering if it's calibrated properly since it was measuring 2,888 at the reflector for a 250 watt 14K Phoenix HQI metal halide on a Blueline 7 ballast but with the light at the surface which is 11" from the reflector I was getting 600 and at 14" below the surface (25" from reflector) I was only getting 200, probably right but sounds a little weak. The 160 WATT VHO's were showing 250 at the bulb :(. Won't be able to test the other lights until this weekend when I build a jig to hold them.

[roscozman]

I was wondering the same thing Jose. I was measuring very low reading on my tank - 300 top of water; 150 middle of tank; 50 on sand bed. I ordered and installed new t5 ATI bulbs and ended up with basically the same readings.

[dipan]

Picked up the meter from Gabe this afternoon and wondering if it's calibrated properly since it was measuring 2,888 at the reflector for a 250 watt 14K Phoenix HQI metal halide on a Blueline 7 ballast but with the light at the surface which is 11" from the reflector I was getting 600 and at 14" below the surface (25" from reflector) I was only getting 200, probably right but sounds a little weak. The 160 WATT VHO's were showing 250 at the bulb :(. Won't be able to test the other lights until this weekend when I build a jig to hold them.

I understand your concern. Do you have a basis for comparison, though? That's kinda the purpose of having this go around and for people to share their results. I don't think there is a calibration issue if you are getting high readings in one place and not further away. If photon flux measurement is valid at the bulb/reflector, then I don't know why it wouldn't be valid elsewhere. I mean, you don't have to input a "distance" from light source into the meter or anything. If it's measuring 3000 at the bulb, then I'm not sure why it should measure less than expected some distance away. Get my meaning?

The meter has been to Apogee last year for recalibration and that has been mentioned in this thread. There was basically a "recall" on them with free recalibrations offered. If consensus is that it needs to be recalibrated, I would be happy to send it back. I'm guessing it would take some time, though, like it did last year.


I was wondering the same thing Jose. I was measuring very low reading on my tank - 300 top of water; 150 middle of tank; 50 on sand bed. I ordered and installed new t5 ATI bulbs and ended up with basically the same readings.

That kind of drop in PAR from top to bottom doesn't seem unreasonable, does it? How many T5's are your running?

[txav8r]

I would trust the meter. I sent it in for calibration when I had it. I actually didn't get to use it because I sent it off right when I got it and it was shipped back to Dipan. That's why I never posted any results.

[z28pwr]

Dipan, I was just wondering since I didn't expect 2900 at the reflector (was expecting less) and then seeing it drop off so fast seemed odd but frankly I have no experience in measuring par nor do I have a baseline which is why I was asking. The meter is probably working just fine. I was impressed that the phoenix 14K were putting out more PAR then my 10K bulbs (2,888 vs 2,500). I have different setups to test over the weekend with different ballasts and different reflectors which should make things interesting.


I understand your concern. Do you have a basis for comparison, though? That's kinda the purpose of having this go around and for people to share their results. I don't think there is a calibration issue if you are getting high readings in one place and not further away. If photon flux measurement is valid at the bulb/reflector, then I don't know why it wouldn't be valid elsewhere. I mean, you don't have to input a "distance" from light source into the meter or anything. If it's measuring 3000 at the bulb, then I'm not sure why it should measure less than expected some distance away. Get my meaning?

The meter has been to Apogee last year for recalibration and that has been mentioned in this thread. There was basically a "recall" on them with free recalibrations offered. If consensus is that it needs to be recalibrated, I would be happy to send it back. I'm guessing it would take some time, though, like it did last year.



That kind of drop in PAR from top to bottom doesn't seem unreasonable, does it? How many T5's are your running?





I would trust the meter. I sent it in for calibration when I had it. I actually didn't get to use it because I sent it off right when I got it and it was shipped back to Dipan. That's why I never posted any results.

Good to know Jack.

[z28pwr]

PAR Results posted at: http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?65053-PAR-Results-that-will-surprise-you..

Terry, Gabe said the PAR meter needed to be returned to him before being checked out to another member, therefore I will be dropping it off at Gabes on Tuesday night.

Thanks Dipan.

[ShAgMaN]

PAR Results posted at: http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?65053-PAR-Results-that-will-surprise-you..

Terry, Gabe said the PAR meter needed to be returned to him before being checked out to another member, therefore I will be dropping it off at Gabes on Tuesday night.

Thanks Dipan.

No worries, thanks Jose.

[jc]

Any updates on the par meter?

[Troy Valentine]

I've got the meter, and I am working on the Dipan DIY plasma/led light. I am also going to make a proper acrylic mount for the light sensor, I just need to make it by Plastic Supply to get the pieces I need. I should be finished by next weekend, and I will post my results at that time.

Troy

[ErikH]

Awesome. Can't wait to see it.

[Gseclipse02]

neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery
SirReal63
ErikH
Gseclipse02

i hope this is right

[ShAgMaN]

neogenix
z28pw
shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery
SirReal63
ErikH
Gseclipse02

i hope this is right


Nope, neo & Jose have used it already - its:

shagman
jc
alexdmg
jrnannery
SirReal63
ErikH
Gseclipse02

I'm next!

[Troy Valentine]

All finished:) Gabe now has the par meter.
I still need to make the acrylic mount, so when I get the pieces I will track down the meter and attach it.

Thanks again Dipan

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Terry (shagman) has been notified ..

[jc]

Any update on the par meter?

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Meter was dropped off Jacob (JC) pick up anytime..

[jrsatx20]

would like to be put in line to borrow the meter.


thanks dipan

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Sorry guys with the move lost track Alex has been notified and will pick up asap..

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Alex has declined sending pm to Jrnannery

[Neptune@gabesfish]

Jrnannery has also declined SirReal63 you are up please pick up meter asap or post a decline...Thanks

[hobogato]

i would like to get back on the list to get some summer sun numbers.

here is the current list:


SirReal63
ErikH
Gseclipse02
jrsatx20
hobogato

thanks again for doing this dipan and gabe!

[jrsatx20]

would like to be put in line to borrow the meter.


thanks dipan
Can I be added to list please

[hobogato]

sorry ruben, fixed it.

[jc]

I'm trying out a new par38 bulb with different lenses.


SirReal63
ErikH
Gseclipse02
jrsatx20
hobogato
jc

[SirReal63]

I just got notification...will pick up this evening.

[Teeb]

Can you add me to the list, I'd love to see what my LED's are putting out.

[dipan]

Where are we at with the meter?

[hobogato]

?SirReal63 - has meter now?
ErikH
Gseclipse02
jrsatx20
hobogato
jc
Teeb

[Neptune@gabesfish]

yes sirReal63 has meter will send pm to remind about it

[SirReal63]

Erik...what are the numbers you are putting out? :-)

[jc]

Any update on the meter?

[dipan]

I'm probably going to need the meter soon so I will have to temporarily suspend this program. I suggest that whoever has the meter finishes up quickly so that the rest of the folks on the list can get a chance with using it. It is taking quite a long time for it to go around and at this pace it will take one month per personon the list. Let's try to keep it moving. Try to be courteous and get it to the next guy after using it as soon as you can.

[hobogato]

where are we in the list?



?SirReal63 - has meter now?
ErikH
Gseclipse02
jrsatx20
hobogato
jc
Teeb

[jc]

I believe the meter is at Gabe's. You can drop me from the list.

[dipan]

Not sure what's going on with the meter. Last I heard it was at Gabe's but not sure if he is still open for business. I dropped by a few months ago during the middle of the day on a weekday, but the place was closed up. If someone can get a hold of him and pick up the meter, maybe we can keep this going.

[justahobby]

Looking into it...thanks for calling it to attention

[Big_Pun]

Looking into it...thanks for calling it to attention

good luck with getting a hold of him...... i tried

[justahobby]

No answer and VM is full.

[Big_Pun]

No answer and VM is full.

im working on it when and if i get it ill give it to Dipan

[LuckySingh]

Could u please put me on list aswell... Really need it


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[Big_Pun]

ok heres the lastest, i was able to track the meter down. i talked to Dipan and he has been nice enough to keep this going. dipan wanted to keep the meter at a LFS as before, i talked to Louis at Elegant Reef and he has agreed to help. may come up with new rules on maybe a small deposit, and a set time frame on how long you can keep it. as we iron out the guide lines they will be posted.

[justahobby]

Thanks Chris. This is a great tool for MAAST, and I think a deposit is more than fair. Even a rental fee to cover eventual wear and tear....... Those meters aren't cheap! Thanks again Dipan for allowing us to use it

[LuckySingh]

ok heres the lastest, i was able to track the meter down. i talked to Dipan and he has been nice enough to keep this going. dipan wanted to keep the meter at a LFS as before, i talked to Louis at Elegant Reef and he has agreed to help. may come up with new rules on maybe a small deposit, and a set time frame on how long you can keep it. as we iron out the guide lines they will be posted.
+1 on guidelines

[Teeb]

I think a deposit would be fair considering the price of the meter and something like a 48hr usage. Thanks for keeping this going!

[LuckySingh]

whats the status on this...is it still available??

[zerreissen]

I would also like to use this PAR meter. I will be switching to LED's in November and would like to get a current PAR reading before switching over so I know what levels I need to be at after switching. I'd be willing to give a deposit/donate.

[350gt]

Put me on aswell, would like to know what's going on with my tanks.

[LuckySingh]

still no status available????

[dipan]

Last I knew it was at Elegant Reef. Ask Louis about it. He is trying to come up with a fair way of loaning it out. My original intent with this was for people to borrow it for a week max, but many have had it for much longer. He might ask for a deposit or something so that it comes back on time. Whatever the concensus is will be fine with me ...

[dipan]

Louis @ Elegant Reef still has this. It apparently has not been borrowed much so if you want to measure your tank get it done now!

[allan]

We deal directly with Louis?

[dipan]

We deal directly with Louis?

Yes ...

[FireWater]

Yes, Allan go straight to Louis.
I borrowed it a month or so ago. I did not write down numbers because I was a little pressed on time and was trying to get it back as soon as I could. I plan on getting it again from Louis so I can record my numbers over the length of the day since I run so many different programs on my Sols.

[Troy Valentine]

I am going to need to borrow the meter again. Got some new LEDs I would like to test;) Let me know when you are done with it Allan.

Thanks again Dipan.

[Squiers007]

Any chance we could have this passed around in Corpus for a couple weeks?