do we have a forum for feedback?

[oceancube]

well i was wondering if we are going to have a feedback forum on here, ive recently sold some livestock here to a charter member and got ripped off, so i want to see if there's anyway we can have a feedback deal that way we can know who's who on here.. just a suggestion for the bod..since we changed the selling rules it would be a good idea to look into feedback forum...im still trying to collect my money from a charter member here and it would be nice to let others know to becareful..

[Darth-Tater]

Carlnsa is owed money from a MAAST member who is didn't finish paying . Also I understand Jennabee bought something that doesn't work and has the same type of problem. But I don't know if bashing a person in a forum is a good idea. But there needs to be some solution this kind of misbehavior. Maybe arbitration by a special committee could be the answer.


David

[TexasTodd]

I agree, I had someone not pay for a pump a few years ago.

Possibly the BOD should look in to these type of issues and ban some from the site if fault is found and not resolved.

Todd

[Gseclipse02]

on other forums ive been on i have seen a "trader rating" on it


maybe we can add that

[Europhyllia]

I think a trader rating would be a great way to leave feedback without making MAAST vulnerable (liability, legal stuff, etc.)

I just started trading/buying/selling here and have had only positive experiences with it. :)

[hobogato]

i think that in the past the vendor experience section has been used for this.

[oceancube]

yeah well ive been trying to collect for 3 month's now and it get frustrating when you see the same person posting stuff forsale or buying other things, i think this would help out alot, other sites that i know of ban people that dont pay, or get punished some how, im trying to figure out how i can get my stuff back and my money.... pm'ed sean about it and i want to see what he's got to say so im awaiting a pm

[oceancube]

Carlnsa is owed money from a MAAST member who is didn't finish paying . Also I understand Jennabee bought something that doesn't work and has the same type of problem. But I don't know if bashing a person in a forum is a good idea. But there needs to be some solution this kind of misbehavior. Maybe arbitration by a special committee could be the answer.


Davidhey david, well it's not bashing a person it's more like letting us all know to watchout for these people,it's cool to owe money but at least pay when you say your gonna pay correct? i know to others it's not a big deal but when your that one person and you try and help out and then get the shaft it's a different story especially alot of money...

[Agent Jones]

how did they get the product without paying?

[oceancube]

how did they get the product without paying? i drove to her and dropped off my stuff and then i would get payed the same friday, till this day ive gotten squat.... and there's other people on here that i know that this persons owed money to but ill see if they chime in.....and i never had a problem with this person so thats why i didn't mind leaving livestock, but now i know but it's to late...

[Agent Jones]

sorry it happened but next time dont deliver til cash is in hand. i know you wanna trust people and give them the benefit of doubt but with todays world we cant do that.

[Gseclipse02]

for the people that dont know what im talking about here is a link to see the setup

both sites are vBulletin so this could happen

http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/itrader.php?u=19617

[Pennies2Cents]

Hi everyone,

I can bring up the subject of a feed back forum. We are having a closed BOD meeting tomorrow Sunday.. I can keep you all posted.

Thanks
Eve

[oceancube]

Hi everyone,

I can bring up the subject of a feed back forum. We are having a closed BOD meeting tomorrow Sunday.. I can keep you all posted.

Thanks
Evethat be great eve, im not doing this to be an you know what or anything, i just dont know how else to deal with it, unless i go shyco path but thats not me... at least bringing it up would be cool.. i also save all my inbox and out box pm's to prove im trying to be cool... thanks

[Darth-Tater]

Not really bashing a person. But it is frustrating when they refuse to cough up the money. I always ask for all of the money upfront before I will let it go. CArl and jennabe both know the person who stiffed them and that person is alway on MAAST and well known by all.

[Pennies2Cents]

No Problem. Im here to help you guys & gals! :) I can not guarantee that it will be done but, like I said I will bring it up and try... :)

Thanks for your feedback... It always helps out! :)

[Pennies2Cents]

Also, I will be moving this to the vendor experiences.... :) Should not be in for sale section.... Sorry! :)

[aggman]

wow this is a good idea. and that page is pretty legit gseclipse. we will definitely talk about this at the meeting. and i will also send admin [greenmako] a pm referencing this thread to see what he can put together for us.

~alex

[oceancube]

yeah we got people on here that buy/sell/trade all the time. i just would hate for someone else to go through the same thing even if it's just a small amount, it's ridiculous. now i gotta watch out when i sell an item here cause it will be in the back of my mind all the time....

[hobogato]

i know rudy, you would have no reason to post around here if you couldnt buy and sell stuff :p :innocent2: :lauging:

[oceancube]

i know rudy, you would have no reason to post around here if you couldnt buy and sell stuff :p :innocent2: :lauging: na ive bought all my tanks from people here, and ive sold alot of my setups here as well and for cheap.. and i hook it up no matter what anyone says.and i really dont ask alot of questions cause i kinda know alot about a saltwater tank, been in it since i was 14 now im a 30year old man...
lol anyhow no matter what you do where you do it, i dont think it's cool to ripoff fellow members.thanks ace lol;)

[hobogato]

i agree with you on the not ripping people off rudy just pokin at ya :D

[JimD]

Its not always about asking questions, sometimes its more about answering them...

[CoryDude]

I think an open buyer/seller feedback forum is a bad idea for this small of a club. Granted, in the sitations y'all have talked about, those are pretty easy to assign blame. But, a lot of problems aren't so black and white.

Look at RC's similar forum. Right now there's 2 different threads, with 2 different explanations, over 1 transaction. And the end result......nothing except bad blood.

I like David's idea for arbitration or Euromom's idea on a buyer/seller rating.

[wesheltonj]

When I was in College my Frat had a rule, I think it should apply for MAAST too.
"In God we Trust, All others Pay Cash" Cash in Hand should be the rule, not the exception.

[JimD]

That might protect the seller but what about the buyer? If I sell you an item, you pay me up front and I dont send you the goods... What assures the buyer that hes gonna receive the item even though its been paid for?

[hobogato]

wesheltonj- it should be, but it isnt. the problem here is people equate active/prominant members with trustworthiness and sometimes that may not always hold true. i have had people here that i dont know offer to give me things without taking money first, probably partially because i have been around here so long. it is sad that we cant always trust those we think are trustworthy, but that is the world in which we live.

jim - good point, as spread out as we all are, sometimes cash transaction just isnt very practical and some people really dont like paypal.

[Gseclipse02]

wow this is a good idea. and that page is pretty legit gseclipse. we will definitely talk about this at the meeting. and i will also send admin [greenmako] a pm referencing this thread to see what he can put together for us.

~alex


sounds good if yall need help with it or ?'s on it im good friends with the person who runs that site so i could shoot them a pm or I.M.

the down side is that if people don't take the time to leave comments it doesn't work ... i had well over 200+ sells and only had 15 leave something


na ive bought all my tanks from people here, and ive sold alot of my setups here as well and for cheap.. and i hook it up no matter what anyone says.and i really dont ask alot of questions cause i kinda know alot about a saltwater tank, been in it since i was 14 now im a 30year old man...
lol anyhow no matter what you do where you do it, i dont think it's cool to ripoff fellow members.thanks ace lol;)


i bought a pump off you and it works great still till this day sucks that this happen to you



That might protect the seller but what about the buyer? If I sell you an item, you pay me up front and I dont send you the goods... What assures the buyer that hes gonna receive the item even though its been paid for?


pay pal is the only way to do it and it doesn't even guarantee anything

[Europhyllia]

Edited: Nevermind. By the time I got around to hitting the submit button PayPal has already been mentioned... :)

[recoiljpr]

I dunno folks, in my mind MAAST should be a board about learning and sharing info first and foremost. Selling/trading should be secondary. I don't mean to come off sounding rude, but caveat emptor if it's a sell/trade between non-sponsors. I think spending too much time on trying to regulating the selling of items or disputes on here distracts from MAAST's primary goal which is to educate members about the saltwater hobby.

Please understand i'm not trying to sound hollow, crass or uncaring. It does suck to get shafted. But, should MAAST as a club go that far for trading? I'm not entirely sure I thin it should. And leaving a board for people to post could as others have said just turn to bad blood and a he-said, she-said type of argument.

[oceancube]

I dunno folks, in my mind MAAST should be a board about learning and sharing info first and foremost. Selling/trading should be secondary. I don't mean to come off sounding rude, but caveat emptor if it's a sell/trade between non-sponsors. I think spending too much time on trying to regulating the selling of items or disputes on here distracts from MAAST's primary goal which is to educate members about the saltwater hobby.

Please understand i'm not trying to sound hollow, crass or uncaring. It does suck to get shafted. But, should MAAST as a club go that far for trading? I'm not entirely sure I thin it should. And leaving a board for people to post could as others have said just turn to bad blood and a he-said, she-said type of argument.well try being on here since day one, and get shafted and see what it feels like especially more than $400.00 bucks then come talk to me and see how you feel. like i said before ive been nothing but good to this program, no matter where or what i get my stuff i hook it up,pay or no pay my membership i consider myself a great person... and i have all the posts to prove it... just cause you join a club in 09 dont make you anyone to speak... comeon guys i was here since the meetings at vance jackson days with the good old buddys like joshua etc. discussing about wetdrys and overflows and dsb's , all i do here is help out fellow reefers by selling pumps,sumps and tanks... i even have people on here asking about me where i get my mags and my quietone's and i even hear the lfs talking bout rudy, oh he's the bad guy but yet i have over 50+ pm's asking me "can you get me a pump, heater,sump,fish" anything to do with saltwater. and i dont report or complain about it... i just go along and if i got it i got it if i dont i dont i reply all my pm's and i sell my stuff and everyone's happy.. name me one person that is unhappy with me.......... you got NONE......

[oceancube]

all i want is my fish back healthy like i delivered them and ill be happy, but till that happens im not gonna be satisfied and i think the bod of maast should decide.. tell me if im wrong and ill leave it at that. if yall decide against me tell me and ill just drop the conversation and i'll leave it at that...........

[oceancube]

before it never mattered who sold what , now if you sell multiple things no matter how long you've been here it's a sin... ive gotta now post 100+ post that are educational to these new people when we discuss the same old thing way back in 99, but hey pm me and ill let you know what you want to know about saltwater and ill tell you or educate you on how it suppose to go... simple steps to saltwater are 1. go buy a tank you like that will house the fish coral etc... 2.set it up add water, add salt, mix it up wait a day, add sand add a few pieces liverock,3. wait 4 -5 weeks depending on tests reading, once you go through a cycle then buy 1 fish wait a week, does good, test water, everything reads good woohoo, 4.your ready go buy yourself a beginner coral like a little ricordia,gsp etc and bam go from there....or if you know a cool web member like rudy pm him and he'll give you a couple scoops of sand that is oh what 13yrs aged and some water and your good to go. since hum like others say all i do is sell...

[oceancube]

Edited: Nevermind. By the time I got around to hitting the submit button PayPal has already been mentioned... :)im so happy for you, remember what i said in the pm becareful.....GOODLUCK

[corkyGramma]

Ocean, I also learned a hard lesson over $300....And mean while I hear the song that the person has no money for a period of 5mo & that person continues to buy and inquire about livestock. Now I apply, half now and the rest at pick up. Its sad because sometimes you can be family and poeple still stiff you or drag it out hoping youll forget. I think a rating is a great idea.

[recoiljpr]

well try being on here since day one, and get shafted and see what it feels like especially more than $400.00 bucks then come talk to me and see how you feel.

I've been shafted before so I do know how it feels. It's sad that people will take advantage of someones generosity but the fact is they will. When buying/selling you have to protect yourself.


just cause you join a club in 09 dont make you anyone to speak...

Actually you are incorrect. The fact that I am a paying charter member of MAAST grants me the right to speak and vote on issues ocean; not how long I've been around.

[Europhyllia]

Hm I am new member and I like that the forum offers both:
Questions/Answer stuff and Sell/Buy.
What better place to buy used/pre-owned/custom made reef stuff than on a local reef/SW board?
The hobby is expensive enough. Saving a little on used stuff helps.
With livestock like corals I like it even better because they've already shown that they can do well in another hobbyist's tank rather than be straight 'off the boat'.
And I love that people like corky and eclipse posted pictures of the fish they got from me and I can see they are doing well. Much better than selling to a stranger on craiglist.
I'd miss the buy/sell part if it went away.

I think I understand Rudy's frustration about how stuff like that changes your whole perception of things. It diminishes the nice community feel of this group.

[Gseclipse02]

i even hear the lfs talking bout rudy, oh he's the bad guy ....

dont worry your not the only one they talk about they get mad because of bad economy and blame any and every one

[cbianco]

Let's keep this thread on topic please.

:)

Christopher

[barderer]

Ah you can't expect the forum to regulate the buy/sell transactions on a professional level. We can't allow bashing of people because there is no independent 3rd party to regulate the discussion. We don't even want board members doing so because they might be biased to long term members, people the know etc. The only course of action is to do face to face cash transactions, or if you are going to have someone ship you something ask for a name of someone that has done transactions from them before and query them. You take a risk when sending a individual money upfront. If you get ripped off you should pm the board members explaining your case. If the board members get multiple complaints maybe they WILL ban the person. They did it with some guy last year that was misrepresenting corals he was selling. Its all you can expect really. Fish business is fishy mannnnnnnnnnnnn.

[carlinsa]

Ocean, I also learned a hard lesson over $300....And mean while I hear the song that the person has no money for a period of 5mo & that person continues to buy and inquire about livestock. Now I apply, half now and the rest at pick up. Its sad because sometimes you can be family and poeple still stiff you or drag it out hoping youll forget. I think a rating is a great idea.


i am with you i am only out some money. i have stopped trying to get it back cause i get the same old song and dance everytime. i understand people have problems and things happen


but i think we should have a forum where nothing can be writen about the person as in saying the person is >>>><<<<< but just a rateing system. and with so many bads or negatives they should have to answer. ESPECIALLY if they are on a postion on the board or a paying memeber. if they are a web member with just enough posts then they should be unable to post in sales for a couple weeks or month something. but if your a paying member you have a chance to make things right and if not you should be put on some type of probation. if you are a member of the board or the higher powers you should loose your position since you cant be trusted selling or buying simple items. thats my .02

as for this being a learning web site yes it is but if you get burned from the people trying to help you why would you come back. if JOE NEWBIE comes on here for the first time and says hi i am looking for a new set up and i was reffered here. we help him out he buys something or sells something and gets burned by a CRAP product or gets stiffed hes/she is going away an telling everyone they know how crappy we are here do to one or two people. i am all for the forum. but like i said a rateing system maybe 1-5 stars and if you want to leave a message you can but i think they should be optional.

i know its not the bods job to iron out conflicts because they have many other things to do but i think also if after so long we should be able to post in the charter section something like Just got taken or Cant resolve if pms are unresponded to an or rudely replied back to..

its just fustrating that good people get hosed by putting some faith in some people. not all people are out to get one over on you but i guess theres always at least one....

[oceancube]

carlinsa has a great point,,, thats why i dont want to come out and start saying names, all i ask was if we can get a buy/sell feedback on our forums, to stop this from happening like it did to me... thats all...

[snfkotara]

Originally Posted by snfkotara
Ok Rudy had a cousin that want a 29 gal biocube I had bought from Rudy a year ago so I said ok I a new stand built for a tank i have so he said no problem. Well I never talked to the cousin so really the deal was between Rudy and I. In the mean time I had mention getting rid of my 60 gal. cube bought from David. The tank was still set up with fish and some coral. Rudy calls and says he and his cousin are head out to pick up the cube and he wanted to get the cube also. Well I agreed because I could keep my fish in a large plastic tub for the 2 or 3 days no problem. Well while here he saw my 20 gal tank and stand that didnt have any in it but water and live sand. So I said ok and Rudy said ok we will work something out as far as trade for 2 tanks and stand and the cube for his tank and stand. ok well after calling and pming that I need the tank for the fish that were in the 60 cube because they are unhappy and were starting to die. Well 1.5 months later he brings me the tank and 3 fish. ok I had talk to him the night before and he was telling me his clown died and I told him just keep the one he was bringing me. When he showed up he brought the 3 fish and said Im getting out blah blah same song and dance he gave 3mnth prior when I bought his Oxyn fm and Picasso male And very rare Crispa anmone for 400.00. So then he tell me I owe him some odd 400.00 for these and I didnt even ask for them to be brought out I told him to keep them. Well I am sry if people dont agree but I think he got well over 400.00 worth and no to mention that the rare Crispa turned out to be a bleach Sabae. So if anyone should be crying cheated I should be.

[snfkotara]

This the real story and anyone that has sold to me knows I pay cash and by all mean if there is someone I owe let me know I am not one that goes around screwing people by all mean I have tried to help people and I enjoy doing it.

[snfkotara]

Rudy

As for the lies you tell about me for the people who get to know me they would know they are what they are lies.

[oceancube]

Rudy

As for the lies you tell about me for the people who get to know me they would know theare what they are lies.oh now you come out .. look sherry i sold you one onyx $50.00 two mushroom rocks $30.00 a piece so thats $110.00 and just give me my picasso's back, stop making excuses, you made a deal with my cousin thats yall's deal not mine, he's waiting for you actually... all i want is my fish and my money you OWE ME, you pm me that you aint gonna pay me which is crap..... now do what you think is right

[oceancube]

Originally Posted by snfkotara
Ok Rudy had a cousin that want a 29 gal biocube I had bought from Rudy a year ago so I said ok I a new stand built for a tank i have so he said no problem. Well I never talked to the cousin so really the deal was between Rudy and I. In the mean time I had mention getting rid of my 60 gal. cube bought from David. The tank was still set up with fish and some coral. Rudy calls and says he and his cousin are head out to pick up the cube and he wanted to get the cube also. Well I agreed because I could keep my fish in a large plastic tub for the 2 or 3 days no problem. Well while here he saw my 20 gal tank and stand that didnt have any in it but water and live sand. So I said ok and Rudy said ok we will work something out as far as trade for 2 tanks and stand and the cube for his tank and stand. ok well after calling and pming that I need the tank for the fish that were in the 60 cube because they are unhappy and were starting to die. Well 1.5 months later he brings me the tank and 3 fish. ok I had talk to him the night before and he was telling me his clown died and I told him just keep the one he was bringing me. When he showed up he brought the 3 fish and said Im getting out blah blah same song and dance he gave 3mnth prior when I bought his Oxyn fm and Picasso male And very rare Crispa anmone for 400.00. So then he tell me I owe him some odd 400.00 for these and I didnt even ask for them to be brought out I told him to keep them. Well I am sry if people dont agree but I think he got well over 400.00 worth and no to mention that the rare Crispa turned out to be a bleach Sabae. So if anyone should be crying cheated I should be.ur making up storys now... that 20 gallon tank and stand is still here waiting for you to pick up when you come pay my money remember, i didn't even use it, and i traded you a more expensive tank for your 60cube from david...that 20 gallon is not gonna pay for my fish and corals, as for the crispa that was a year ago that we made that deal and you agreed to by it not me, you wanted it so you bought it, your making up excuses not to pay me but one way somehow you will pay me....

[oceancube]

Quote:
Originally Posted by oceancube
hey sherry you think by the 1st of october you can pay me the money,i want to purchase something at a show then, lmk if you can pay me by then that way i can be sure and get what i need..thanks!!!210-209-****rudy please lmk

Yes I can do that and I tried calling you Friday.

Im sell 1 tank thurs. and hopefully 2 more this week.

[oceancube]

Quote:
Originally Posted by oceancube
okay well ive been nice enough already tommorrow im going to your work and i need either my money or my fish, ive tried calling and everything and yet no answer, i see you post on maast every night and stuff but you dont bother calling me or answering my pm's, so ill be at the pigstand at 5pm sharp , i need my money or my clowns back and they need to be in the same condition i took them ..healthy... so see you tommorrow

Look i will call you tom. I havent been to town or I would have called so thats that and as far as meeting you at 5pm I will not be there Im never there so sorry. just to let you I have never screwed anyone out of money i dont believe in that and would never do anyone like that i have been busy yeah im on maast i work from home. fred and i ran to town sat but he wouldnt go meet anyone come he could give a **** less about saltwater anything. Funny you should write me such a nasty pm I was going to call and see if i could meet up with you or i was going to go to edwards to see the new shop, but i am one of those that just shut down when people act that way to me I get enough of that here at home so outside my home double whammy just total make me not want to go any where had i had tiome to go to town before now Rudy I would have gotten in touch with believe me I DONT LIKE TO OWE ANYONE BECAUSE WITH MY LIFE I NEVER KNOW WHEN I WILL BE ABLE TO MEET WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[oceancube]

hopefully the bod see's whats going on ,and i have all pm's that state you will meet me and pay me the money you owe me, yet you have the guts to come on here and say im the ripoff and make excuses. this is uncalled for in your part and you know it, you asked for something and you got it, you killed my first pair of picasso's and even my onyx clown and you still owe me.. here's a break down what we agreed
onyx clown large $50.00
mushroom rock$30.00
ora orange digitata$30.00
and a pair of premium picasso's $325.00but then you changed your mind on picasso's after we agreed price....so yeah i will pick them up from you... as for the balance ,it's $110.00

[carlinsa]

hey rudy i know your upset but if we can keep on track we can keep this thread going and possibly get out feedback forum. an if those are pms they will lock it up. so lets tryu to stay on track so we can go an hopefully get our new forum.

[cbianco]

Members,

This thread has been closed.

Unfortunately, this thread has gone completely off topic and is turning into an argument. Please take any problems to PM or PM a BOD for assistance.

We are currently looking into/discussing a feedback forum.

On a side note, no one likes to see another member get ripped off. Please remember that both buyers AND sellers have responsibilities. I personally refuse to pass judgement on this particular situation. I hope that everyone can solve their difficulties peacefully.

Thank you,

Christopher

[aggman]

yes carl is right. this back and forth needs to stop immediately. i will give you guys the opportunity to edit your posts and remove the pm quotes. posting of pms is against the terms of use and is cause for a warning and possible ban. please follow the forum rules.

as for the new forum, the bod discussed it today and we agree that something should be done. but, we cannot assume the responsibility of monitoring every transaction that occurs on this site. i have personally contacted our admin and he has informed me that he can put up a feedback deal like the one gseclipse linked to in an earlier post. this won't be available overnight, it will take some time. but it is coming.

edit: oops i think i took to long to write my post. i promise i started typing before chris posted.

~alex