With all that's going on

[BigKGlen]

Why do we keep losing Board members? Gary (G-Ray) desides to resign? Or was he 'asked' to leave?

[LoneStar]

Why do we keep losing Board members? Gary (G-Ray) desides to resign? Or was he 'asked' to leave?

Well you figure you could ask yourself the same question....and you will know the answer....

[Big_Pun]

who knows what's goin if your not in the clique you won't know, bunch of conspiracy theories and by people that aren't even on the bod, I think all the finger pointing should stop and just put everything out in the open and settle this, we are loosing too many good reefers who are also nice people outside of this forum

[hobogato]

bunch of conspiracy theories and by people that aren't even on the bod, I think all the finger pointing should stop and just put everything out in the open and settle this, we are loosing too many good reefers who are also nice people outside of this forum

well said chris. too much he said - she said stuff on both sides of the fence and not enough open communication. it has nothing to do with cliques. everyone needs to be more responsible for his/her actions and these issues will be worked thru. if someone knows that something is not right, it is that person's responsibility to step forward and disclose what they know. period.

[Bill S]

Well, maybe the Secretary should publish the minutes of ALL BOD meetings - including those impromptu meetings held on the BOD Forum everytime someone crosses a line. I believe that the bylaws do not distinguish between "regular" meetings and "special" meetings.

From Wikipeda:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In a meeting, two or more people come together for the purpose of discussing a (usually) predetermined topic such as business or community event planning, often in a formal setting.
In addition to coming together physically (in real life (http://www.maast.org/wiki/Real_life), face to face), communication lines and equipment can also be set up to have a discussion between people at different locations, e.g. a conference call (http://www.maast.org/wiki/Conference_call) or an e-meeting (http://www.maast.org/wiki/Videoconferencing).:

From MAAST bylaws:

Paragraph 3: The Secretary shall
a. Attend all regular monthly and special meetings of the organization and record its date, place and proceedings.
b. Attend all meetings of the Board of Directors and keep a full and complete record of the proceedings.
c. Be the custodian of all the documents of the organization other than those pertaining specifically to the other offices of the organization.
d. Countersign as Secretary of the organization all instruments, papers, and documents when asked to do so by the Board of Directors.
e. Keep all minutes available for the inspection of the Board of Directors at any of their regular meetings and likewise available for the inspection of the members of the organization at every regular monthly membership meeting.

[JimD]

Since as you say, 'the bylaws dont distinguish', that leaves it totaly up to the discresion of the board and not outsiders.. These people volunteer with the objective to make maast a fun and educational experience for its members and they do a darn good job of it and Im sure dont have the time that to copy every single word of every sentence of every paragraph of every discussion of every topic for your viewing pleasure,that would take valuable time away from setting up events like T-Mac, Port A trip, Seaworld, montly meeting and everything else this club provides...

[Big_Pun]

"OUTSIDERS" are who exactly, non BOD???

[Bill S]

Jim, by saying "the bylaws don't distinguish", what this means is that the bylaws require ALL minutes of ALL BOD "meetings" - whether a physical gathering, or a cyber-meeting - be made available to the Charter Membership.

[Big_Pun]

I think we all need to get together and work this out, so there no more behind the back talking and finger pointing, when I joined in march this was a great site for local help and still is but it could be better, I would not be as successful with my tanks if it wasn't for the help of alot of people here, we need to get back to that so all the new reefers will also be successful. are there positions open on BOD, I would like to help .and yes I will become a charter member, hopefully more newbies will join so they can help too.

[tony]

anyone that wants to know the inner-workings of the club should step up and volunteer. the problem here is that everyone wants to complain and few want to be a part of a solution. like our government maast isnt a democracy, its a representative one.

ace said it best. anyone that has any first hand information should come forward. however, anyone speaking only from hearsay should keep there mouth shut because they really are only contributing to the problem.

[JimD]

"Jim, by saying "the bylaws don't distinguish", what this means is that the bylaws require ALL minutes of ALL BOD "meetings" - whether a physical gathering, or a cyber-meeting - be made available to the Charter Membership."

I dont see it that way and it doent say that in the by laws... It states, 'regular' meetings and this is being done, the impromptu meetings wouldnt be considered regular... And is that the only thing youd like to comment on? What about the hard work that goes into this organization for its members? Nothing on that? Why not focus your energy on promoting all the things this club has done for you and the people who support this club, the people for whom this club was created... People think thers some huge behind the sceens scandal or private sector thats trying to rule the world, that just not the case. This club was created with integrity, trust and responsibility towards its members and that same exact philosophy is still intact and just as strong as its conception... We all need to change our attitutes towards one an onther and re-unite as a community and put this to rest, I for one am willing to be the first to extend my friendship to everyone...

[Bill S]

Jim, go back and read it again:

"The secretary shall attend all meetings (all meaning ALL)... and keep a full and complete record."

"Keep all records... and likewise available for the inspection of the members of the organization at every regular monthly membership meeting."

ALL MEETINGS.

Now, you've complained at every single turn that I don't step up. So, how's this:

I'll run for G-Ray's open position.

[JTrott]

I'll run for G-Ray's open position.

As a Charter Memeber, I nominate bstreep to take G-Ray's open position.

Jason

[Bill S]

"People think thers some huge behind the sceens scandal or private sector thats trying to rule the world, that just not the case.

Then at the next Membership meeting, I would like to see the transcripts (minutes) from each of these - "non-regular" meetings of Board Members. I'll bring a laptop so we can log on.

Per the Bylaws, these are to be made available to the membership. I'm exercising my right, from the Bylaws, to see these "minutes". Since, as you said above that there's nothing to hide, let us all see it.

[JimD]

Still nothing about the club... Speaks volumes...

[Mr Cob]

Why do we keep losing Board members? Gary (G-Ray) desides to resign? Or was he 'asked' to leave?

Kevin. It's a "Volunteer" position. I would assume that to be the best explanation of why we might have a high turn over rate. To be honest, with everything that's going on, I'm surprised anyone makes it past just 6 months.

I have spent countless hours day and night as other BODs and MODs have trying to keep up with everything that's going on. It really is crazy and we REALLY need members to take responsibility for their own actions and communication between everyone to remain considerate of feelings and remind one another that we are all here for the same purpose: MAAST!!!

I won't speak for Gary, you can ask him privately why he resigned.

[Bill S]

OK, folks, here's my platform/pledge, realizing that I'm only a single person, and if elected, I have only 1 vote:

1) Return MAAST to an OPEN club, where discussion, and even discourse is permitted. The banning of folks for disagreeing with those in charge, will end.

2) Push for an audit of the Club Books. Sherri has done an outstanding job. But, with all of the unfounded rumors running around, let's put them all completely and finally to rest. The Bylaws specifically call for the President to regularly appoint an Audit Committee. This needs to be done.

3) Address any and all possible tax liabilities immediately. To the best of my knowledge, MAAST has never paid sales tax to the State of Texas? I will be happy to make the phone calls on behalf of MAAST.

4) Push for a Code of Ethics for the Board. I'll be happy to write it. The Board needs to be held to the highest standard.

5) Clean up the Bylaws. Again, I'll be happy to head this up. I believe we have lawyer or 2 around - maybe they would help tighten them up.

6) Make sure that all Sponsors pay their sponsorship fees, get fairand equal exposure to MAAST, and that sponsorship pages are kept current. When a sponsor leaves, the link needs to be taken down. When a sponsor signs, they should quickly get a sponsor page - some have been sponsors for quite a while, before getting a link.

Rough draft here, Jim. Just wanted you to see that I'm going to PARTICIPATE and CONTRIBUTE.

P.S. Folks, if you want to communicate with me, the BEST WAY is email: bstreep@satx.rr.com. My PMs fill up every day - and there's a good chance they will bounce.

[JimD]

Why do you feel the need to answer to me? Ive only asked for your participation once? For your information, your 'platform' is already in place, nothing new there.

[JimD]

Why do you feel the need to answer to me? Ive only asked for your participation once? For your information, your 'platform' is already in place, nothing new there. Still nothing about the good this club does, only focusing on perception..

[Bill S]

No problem, Jim. If "my platform" is in place, then there's no need for anyone to vote for me, and I won't get elected. That's how it works.

And Jim, I don't feel a need to answer "to YOU" - just answer your inferences that I don't contribute to the club, and that I don't see the good the club does. That's all.

[JimD]

I never said you dont contribute to the club, that would be a lie and Im NOT a liar and dont appreciate the insinuation. You do contribute and your contributions are valuable, I only wish you would consentrate more on that and get past this infatuation that seems to be consuming you, thats it, nothing more, nothing less...

[Bill S]

Hey, no problem - but when you say I don't step up - is that not saying I don't contribute? or at least, contribute enough?

My only "infatuation" is with how some folks are treated on MAAST. When people are no longer getting warned or banned for simply speaking out, then I'll move on.

[Bill S]

Jim, just so you understand - I'm not calling you a liar, and I certainly didn't mean for it to be interpreted that way. I apologize if that's how it came across.

[JimD]

All mods have been instucted to issue warnings before a ban is implemented, granted, this protocol hasnt been strictly enforced in the past but rest assured, it will be in the future. Different situations require different actions and its at the discretion of the moderator to make a fair judgement and present it to the attention of the bod and the moderators for discussion then a deicision for action will be made... Again, I didnt say you never step up, I only offered an opportunity for you to become more active in the leadership of the club, please dont make me have to dig up that thread...

[JimD]

Jim, just so you understand - I'm not calling you a liar, and I certainly didn't mean for it to be interpreted that way. I apologize if that's how it came across.

No harm no foul... Thanks for that.

[BigKGlen]

Jim, in all honesty, if Bill were to 'step-up' and solve all of MAAST's problems, bring total harmony back to the membership, feed the hungry and clothe all the impoverished, some people would still have it in for him.

Bill has made MANY legitimate, official complaints that have gone unanswered and unresolved. This lack of justice is observed on a daily basis by the membership, who remain curious to the fact that some are allowed to post insulting and abusive remarks, and some are not. As you will probably do with this post, it will be deleted and you will proclaim that any further comments should be “done via PM PERIOD!” , manage to get the last word in before you go and lock the thread.



THIS is ONE of the many reasons I resigned as a Director on the Board of Directors. That and legal liabilities that Leadership refuses to address.

[JimD]

Why do you think Id lock this thread, because of your opinion? I look at these type of threads as an opportunity to work through these issues and approach a mutual understanding between all parties involved as long as it remains civil and productive. . Ive personaly only found it necessary to close 1 or 2 threads mainly because of unwarranted or abusive content, I cant speak for anyone else. The only 'official complaint that Bill made that I know of was addressed my me personaly so I know thay action was taken on my part. Why do you say that some would still have it out for him? I have nothing against Bill, I dont even know him, my concern is for the future of this organization and its members. ANYONE, who as you say posts insulting or abusive remarks will be dealt with accordingly. I have zero desire to have to close threads, edit posts, issue warnings, in fact Id rather not even do this at all, I do it because there has to be some structure and moderation in place for those who choose to skate by the rules. Tell me about the leadership issues that the bod refuses to address....

[roscozman]

I am new to MAAST (1.5-2yrs) and would like to see this come as a united community. I mention united not as everyone thinking alike, but united as in a common goal. Organizations need varying opinions. Issues are discussed and there will be conflict. People who hold higher positions should be held to a higher standard. Varying opinions result in discussions, which result in thinking, which results in decisions and moving forward. Bill will bring a different dynamic and in my opinion will be a good choice to fill the open BOD position.

[Bill S]

Thanks for all of the support, folks.

However, I'm betting that the BOD won't let me run. Notice, there's been no posting of a BOD position available...

[Kristy]

I'm looking high and low for the posting of a resignation... when / where did G-ray resign?

Bill (and any BOD currently working on these issues), I like the looks of those "platform" issues and would be happy to help with the work involved for things like re-writing by-laws, developing a code of ethics, general cleanup, etc. Also have several years of non-profit experience.

[ACE]

If Bill is allowed to run I believe he would restore faith in this site to many who have either left and/or failed to re-new a charter membership. After reading his platform, I don't believe he should be denied a vacant BOD position, even without an election. (which I am sure he will receive an enormous amount of votes!) several vacant BOD positions have been filled by the "president" of this club simply by asking for volunteers to fill them in the past. In addition, I have not seen anyone post in disagreement of him sitting on the BOD. So, here you have a volunteer, an open BOD position, and no disagreement or opponents. When is the election?

[ACE]

:Timeout::Timeout::Timeout::Timeout:

[MattK]

OK, folks, here's my platform/pledge, realizing that I'm only a single person, and if elected, I have only 1 vote:

1) Return MAAST to an OPEN club, where discussion, and even discourse is permitted. The banning of folks for disagreeing with those in charge, will end.

2) Push for an audit of the Club Books. Sherri has done an outstanding job. But, with all of the unfounded rumors running around, let's put them all completely and finally to rest. The Bylaws specifically call for the President to regularly appoint an Audit Committee. This needs to be done.

3) Address any and all possible tax liabilities immediately. To the best of my knowledge, MAAST has never paid sales tax to the State of Texas? I will be happy to make the phone calls on behalf of MAAST.

4) Push for a Code of Ethics for the Board. I'll be happy to write it. The Board needs to be held to the highest standard.

5) Clean up the Bylaws. Again, I'll be happy to head this up. I believe we have lawyer or 2 around - maybe they would help tighten them up.

6) Make sure that all Sponsors pay their sponsorship fees, get fairand equal exposure to MAAST, and that sponsorship pages are kept current. When a sponsor leaves, the link needs to be taken down. When a sponsor signs, they should quickly get a sponsor page - some have been sponsors for quite a while, before getting a link.

Rough draft here, Jim. Just wanted you to see that I'm going to PARTICIPATE and CONTRIBUTE.

P.S. Folks, if you want to communicate with me, the BEST WAY is email: bstreep@satx.rr.com. My PMs fill up every day - and there's a good chance they will bounce.

Bill, you have addressed all the concerns I have with the the club, especially points 1-6 of your platform. I second your nomination.

[BIGBIRD123]

If Bill is allowed to run I believe he would restore faith in this site to many who have either left and/or failed to re-new a charter membership. After reading his platform, I don't believe he should be denied a vacant BOD position, even without an election. (which I am sure he will receive an enormous amount of votes!) several vacant BOD positions have been filled by the "president" of this club simply by asking for volunteers to fill them in the past. In addition, I have not seen anyone post in disagreement of him sitting on the BOD. So, here you have a volunteer, an open BOD position, and no disagreement or opponents. When is the election?


Ace,
I don't know where you get your information from but I would not rely on it. The previous BOD positions were filled not by me but by the BOD (past and present) according to the by-laws. All the information is in the BOD Minutes.

[Bill S]

Steve,

I'll leave Ace to defend himself - but what I'm guessing he was referring to (incorrectly) is that for last year's general election, there were only enough volunteers to fill the at-large positions - no more, no less. So they were elected simply by volunteering! It did sort of look like: "anyone want to be on the BOD? OK, you're in!" LOL.

[JimD]

"It did sort of look like: "anyone want to be on the BOD? OK, you're in!" LOL."

^^^ Thats funny... lol

[MattK]

I think all the finger pointing should stop and just put everything out in the open and settle this, we are loosing too many good reefers who are also nice people outside of this forum

I agree that the concerns of the members, officers, and directors should be discussed in an open forum. Bringing them out in the open is the first step to a resolution. Soooooo, before I open my mouth and find out the hard way that it was inappropriate let me ask this first. Can we discuss these concerns here on the board or can we only discuss them in person at a meeting?

[ACE]

Ace,
I don't know where you get your information from but I would not rely on it. The previous BOD positions were filled not by me but by the BOD (past and present) according to the by-laws. All the information is in the BOD Minutes.

Steve, I am so glad you have joined in. I went back through Sep/08 looking for the thread but either missed it, or it was deleted. But either way it really doesn't matter. you started a thread and asked for volunteers to fill some vacant BOD seats. I (as a charter member at the time) nominated Scorpino, and received a PM from you, telling me why he could not be a BOD. Shortly thereafter you announced some new BOD members/volunteers. I am sure as Bill says they were voted in, but that vote was not apparent nor public. As Jim and Bill both say in their post, it did sort of look like you just filled the vacant seats with whomever would be willing to volunteeer. I agree with Bill as many do that transparency is desperatly needed in this club, and in his written "platform" he has pledged to do just that. So back on topic, your most recent thread to fill some additional vacant BOD seats started by you asking the question of who would be interested, nominations were made, and voila new BOD members, thats cool. In this case, you have a vacant BOD seat, a volunteer to fill it, nomination that has been seconded by charter members, no objections or opponents, what say you sir, can Bill have the open BOD seat? Will there be an election, or will the BOD vote on his status on this matter?

[JimD]

I never said anything about just filling the position, I only replied that what Bill said was funny, dont try to mislead people into making an inaccurate assumption. If you have questions or concerns, post them with legitimate facts and allow the bod to reply, and dont just toss out a bunch of allegations that have no basis in fact or hearsay, lets see your evidence..

[Bill S]

And no one has yet figured out my new avatar... Way too subtle, I guess.

[MattK]

And no one has yet figured out my new avatar... Way too subtle, I guess.

I certainly can't. I know it's Earnhardt but the "no" symbol is throwing me off. Gonna give us a hint?

[Big_Pun]

And no one has yet figured out my new avatar... Way too subtle, I guess.

not intimidated????

[MattK]

Good one. How did I miss that...

Prurdy creative Bill

[JimD]

Hey matt, whens the last time you've posted in a thread other than one that was surrounded bu controversy? At least Bill and ACE participate in informative reef threads, is it your intention to limit your action to anything but meaningful threads? I for one find your involvement in this club at a bare minimum with no other intent than to thrive on uninformational posts such as the ones youve been posting lately and on a regular basis. If this is your sole intent, maybe you should reconsider your involvement.

[ACE]

"It did sort of look like: "anyone want to be on the BOD? OK, you're in!" LOL."

^^^ Thats funny... lol


I never said anything about just filling the position, I only replied that what Bill said was funny, dont try to mislead people into making an inaccurate assumption. If you have questions or concerns, post them with legitimate facts and allow the bod to reply, and dont just toss out a bunch of allegations that have no basis in fact or hearsay, lets see your evidence..

Jim, please point out where I made any accusations. If your referring to the PM Steve sent, you know I could be banned for such a treacherous deed as posting that. No allegations were made, no evidence is necessary. And besides, I said it really doesn't matter anyway. And as you can see in your quoted post, you wrote how you thought it sort of looked like....I said only that as well. So, as I have said to you before Jim, your almost always first to post in defense of the BOD, and I am sure they are very proud of how serious you take your position as a Moderator, but in this particular issue we are waiting on a response from the President of the BOD regarding Bill's status on his recent nomination to the BOD. I for one am on "pins and needles" waiting for his response.

[cpreefguy]

Hi all,
Please be on the lookout for a thread in the Charter Member Voting Forum later on in the day.

Thanks,

[Bill S]

not intimidated????

And, we have a winner!

[Bill S]

Hey matt, whens the last time you've posted in a thread other than one that was surrounded bu controversy? At least Bill and ACE participate in informative reef threads, is it your intention to limit your action to anything but meaningful threads? I for one find your involvement in this club at a bare minimum with no other intent than to thrive on uninformational posts such as the ones youve been posting lately and on a regular basis. If this is your sole intent, maybe you should reconsider your involvement.

Wow. Glad I didn't post this. Jim, come on. Who tinkled in your OJ this morning? :bigsmile:

[g-ray]

Why do I get the feeling this is not over?

[Big_Pun]

cause it's not, but please keep it cool it's been a pretty good thread no need to get it locked now

[Mr Cob]

Jim's post has been reported and no replies are needed. Please stay on topic so that this thread does not have to be closed.

Thanks.

[g-ray]

Of course I dont start trouble.

[BigKGlen]

Jim, you'd have to admit, you do have a history of, sometimes, over-aggressively defending the Board.
Matt, however, could be looked upon as the opposite of you. He is looking out for the discrepancies of this government, and openly challenges them.
It is the duty of all of our members (citizens) to question the methods of how our Board (government) is running our club (country), and challenge those methods when needed.

This is what it takes to create a fair and stable government.

[Bill S]

"And if elected..."

[roscozman]

It is the duty of all of our members (citizens) to question the methods of how our Board (government) is running our club (country), and challenge those methods when needed.

This is what it takes to create a fair and stable government.

I agree with you here BigKGlen. This is what keeps us ALL in check.

[BigKGlen]

Jim's post has been reported and no replies are needed. Please stay on topic so that this thread does not have to be closed.

Thanks.
__________________
-Rob

Rob, in all due respect, this is one of the most common complaints.
I'm the one that started this thread, I essentially 'own' this thread. I am the one responsible to maintain order, and if necessary, report any problem posts to a Board member or MOD. I make the request for the determination on the status of that post. I can request to have the forum thread closed when the discussion has run it's course.
If I'm hosting a Town Hall meeting and someone decides that a comment was out of line, are they allowed to terminate the meeting?

[MattK]

I share the same concerns as you Glen. When I came back to the site after being MIA for a few months I noticed that a lot of the members who made the site fun and entertaining were not posting and I wondered why. I think I've narrowed down some of the issues and we need to fix the problems. I think we can agree that we all want MAAST to thrive as a club but also provide a fun and enjoyable atmosphere where discussions are open to everyone and there opinions.

Just my .05 (adjusted for inflation)

[ACE]

I agree with BigKGlen, that is one of the biggest problems. In addition, of course with all due respect, that sounds like a threat Mr. Cob. If someone disagrees with Jim or the BOD a thread is shut down. No one was disrespectful towards Jim, so I see no reason why you would threaten to lock a thread. The thread has stayed on topic, and Jim was out of line with his comment, IMHO. However, if someone says that publicly then it's time to ban and lock? Every subject in life will have at least two sides, just can't go shutting a side that you do not agree with.

[Mr Cob]

Jim's post has been reported and no replies are needed. Please stay on topic so that this thread does not have to be closed.

Thanks.
__________________
-Rob

Rob, in all due respect, this is one of the most common complaints.
I'm the one that started this thread, I essentially 'own' this thread. I am the one responsible to maintain order, and if necessary, report any problem posts to a Board member or MOD. I make the request for the determination on the status of that post. I can request to have the forum thread closed when the discussion has run it's course.
If I'm hosting a Town Hall meeting and someone decides that a comment was out of line, are they allowed to terminate the meeting?

Fair enough. I did not close your thread. I did however remind everyone to stay cool, and I think doing that will help prevent threads from getting closed in the future. I would like to think that I may have prevented Matt or someone else from saying anything that would have caused this thread to get closed in response to Jim's post.

[Mr Cob]

and Jim was out of line with his comment, IMHO.

Which is why I informed everyone that I reported his post and it's being dealt with. No replies are needed to flame his post if I have already reported it.

[MattK]

I would like to think that I may have prevented Matt or someone else from saying anything that would have caused this thread to get closed in response to Jim's post.

You don't have to worry about me, I've learned to ignore comments from him. But, thanks for looking out Rob! :thumbs_up:

Back to the topic. Should we start addressing our other concerns here or in a new thread?

[g-ray]

I agree with BigKGlen, that is one of the biggest problems. In addition, of course with all due respect, that sounds like a threat Mr. Cob. If someone disagrees with Jim or the BOD a thread is shut down. No one was disrespectful towards Jim, so I see no reason why you would threaten to lock a thread. The thread has stayed on topic, and Jim was out of line with his comment, IMHO. However, if someone says that publicly then it's time to ban and lock? Every subject in life will have at least two sides, just can't go shutting a side that you do not agree with.


I coundnt agree more I dont think that a threat to lock that room was called for. All that does is start more drama when no one was even starting trouble. I think our leadership needs to be reworked not to mention any one in particular I think a majority of the BOD are great leaders. We just need some one to lead them.

[Bill S]

Which is why I informed everyone that I reported his post and it's being dealt with. No replies are needed to flame his post if I have already reported it.

Perfect, Rob. How it should be handled.

[NateDogg]

so... this thread was started by Glen's wondering about g-ray's departure from the BOD. Since we have you here... and every one wants open communication.. G-ray, would you be kind enough to fill us in on why you are no longer on the BOD?

[ACE]

so... this thread was started by Glen's wondering about g-ray's departure from the BOD. Since we have you here... and every one wants open communication.. G-ray, would you be kind enough to fill us in on why you are no longer on the BOD?

Great post, and right on topic. Please G-Ray, fill us in. I am sure you will not be banned if everyone stays respectful.

[g-ray]

There is not much to tell guys I dont really want to just throw everything out there I do have to respect those on the BOD if you want answers I would be more than happy to share them in a private conversation. That does not mean pm's those are not private.

[Bill S]

That does not mean pm's those are not private.

Uhhhh. Wadaya mean? Are you saying someone is reading PMs?:shades:

[g-ray]

Not at all I just rather not use pms.

[clone]

Uhhhh. Wadaya mean? Are you saying someone is reading PMs?:shades:

WOW now im wondering the same thing and why the need to read someone elses PM's.
kinda sounds like another reason why someone would leave the site.

[JTrott]

kinda sounds like another reason why someone would leave the site.

What do you mean. Do you think someone left the site because PMs are being read? I didn't know that PMs could be read? To even think that anyone wants/needs to read PMs is kinda disheartening, and makes you wonder why they need to be read if they are.

Jason

[BigKGlen]

I think the PM issue should be put on the back burner until our Sept/Oct meeting. This is one of the rumors that have started to run amok.

[Bill S]

I think I've been assured, previously, that this would never be permitted on MAAST. However, while I've asked more than once, I've never had a response to this:

"Will the ENTIRE BOD please confirm that any attempt to read PMs for which one is not the addressee, will not be condoned or tolerated."

[clone]

What do you mean. Do you think someone left the site because PMs are being read? I didn't know that PMs could be read? To even think that anyone wants/needs to read PMs is kinda disheartening, and makes you wonder why they need to be read if they are.

Jason

yea dude thats something that could make someone like me stop posting or (PM).
i figured it was a PRIVATE message.

[LoneStar]

I think I've been assured, previously, that this would never be permitted on MAAST. However, while I've asked more than once, I've never had a response to this:

"Will the ENTIRE BOD please confirm that any attempt to read PMs for which one is not the addressee, will not be condoned or tolerated."

Let me say this. It HAS and WILL be the status quo that NO ONE on this board will be reading PM's that are not addressed to them. The idea that people are snooping on their private messages is rediculous and if anyone is hinting that it is happening needs to stop it. The ONLY person that could even get access to that is the Admin and you can rest assured that he is NOT doing that...as it is morally and professionally unethical.

[Mr Cob]

Let me say this. It HAS and WILL be the status quo that NO ONE on this board will be reading PM's that are not addressed to them. The idea that people are snooping on their private messages is rediculous and if anyone is hinting that it is happening needs to stop it. The ONLY person that could even get access to that is the Admin and you can rest assured that he is NOT doing that...as it is morally and professionally unethical.

x2

plus... anyone with a little time on their hands could do a google search. We use Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4

The software does not allow for viewing of PM's outside of site admin privelages which is absolutely against our policies. This is a rumor that was started by someone that does not understand the technology behind this site.

[Pennies2Cents]

The poll has now been posted in the Charter Forum... All charter members are encouraged to vote. Here is the link.

http://www.maast.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53857

[JTrott]

The poll has now been posted in the Charter Forum... All charter members are encouraged to vote. Here is the link.

http://www.maast.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53857

Thank you BOD........

Jason

[txav8r]

I will confirm that any attempt to read PMs for which one is not the addressee, will not be condoned or tolerated.

[BigKGlen]

I would TRULY like to applaud the Members and Representatives of the Board who participated in this discussion!!!
Open opinion from all involved, and, for the most part, kept at a civil, productive and informative level.
I'm hoping that this continues and brings ALL Members back together to enjoy what MAAST was intended for.
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