Question needs an answer....

[GoldCorals]

Scenario:
You purchase $250 in Zoas, to get free shipping:), say from a sponsor. On arrival they don't look so good and within a week they all melt on you.

Question 1: Does the seller have a obligation/do you expect to have a store credit or replacement given?

Question 2: Would you expect the same obligation from a private seller? Particularly if they sold the item in some volume.

Question 3: If you feel a "brick and mortar" has a obligation to replace/credit an item but a private seller is exempt why?

[cbianco]

A single answer...

What were the terms when going into the sale? Buyer beware.


Scenario:
You purchase $250 in Zoas, to get free shipping:), say from a sponsor. On arrival they don't look so good and within a week they all melt on you.

Question 1: Does the seller have a obligation/do you expect to have a store credit or replacement given?

Question 2: Would you expect the same obligation from a private seller? Particularly if they sold the item in some volume.

Question 3: If you feel a "brick and mortar" has a obligation to replace/credit an item but a private seller is exempt why?

[Neptune@gabesfish]

I think at some point you say enough is enough and throw the credit in the thrash no matter where you get it from. How long would you give someone a chance with any poor product. Whether it be coral, cars, construction companies, service companies...etc. It does not matter the situation. Sometimes enough is enough. If it is a few corals, in this case, then sometimes bad things happen. If it is ALL corals in a shipment, then I would say enough is enough and take my business elsewhere.

Each scenerio is different. MOST brick and mortars do NOT offer guarantees.

Gabe

[GoldCorals]

Each scenerio is different. MOST brick and mortars do NOT offer guarantees.
Gabe

Indeed, most do not. So as you said it's up to the consumer to say "enough is enough."

[robalv]

I agree buyer beware.
That is why I will not purchase anything from anyone for anything over and above a fair price no matter what it is. I believe in trading or barter. Too much to loose when it comes to coral if you pay too much. seems to me I feel 2.50 a polyp is my fair range IMO I know some of you will disagree but that is OK. I would rather purchase from a B&M for anything higher priced unless a replacement is agreed on with the conditions that my perimeters are in check. that would be for both a private seller or B&M.

[GoldCorals]

A single answer...

What were the terms when going into the sale? Buyer beware.

You are out $250. End of terms. :cry_smile: I wish I could have your attitude. Most here do not. Visit the group buy threads if there is doubt.

[cbianco]

...That is why I will not purchase anything from anyone for anything over and above a fair price no matter what it is...

It is a good idea to know how much a specimin normally sells for or have a set budget for your shopping excursion.


...I believe in trading or barter...

OT but...

I wish there was more good-ole trading going on here in MAAST. I would love to trade with some people. It seems as if when I post a trade, I don't recieve many responses.


I would rather purchase from a B&M for anything higher priced...

Remember that just because it is a B&M, they can have bad water/corals/etc... and with most B&M not offering any explicit warranty, you can still end up in the same senerio.

I am more inclined to purchase where my business is appreciated and the sales person takes a few minutes to get to know me.

Christopher

[cbianco]

You are out $250. End of terms. :cry_smile: I wish I could have your attitude. Most here do not. Visit the group buy threads if there is doubt.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be PO'ed if I was intentionally shafted. Otherwise, I know my risk when buying livestock.

Christopher

[robalv]

It is a good idea to know how much a specimin normally sells for or have a set budget for your shopping excursion.



OT but...

I wish there was more good-ole trading going on here in MAAST. I would love to trade with some people. It seems as if when I post a trade, I don't recieve many responses.



Remember that just because it is a B&M, they can have bad water/corals/etc... and with most B&M not offering any explicit warranty, you can still end up in the same senerio.

I am more inclined to purchase where my business is appreciated and the sales person takes a few minutes to get to know me.

Christopher

Yes Chris very true I don't or wont mention my LFS of choice but Gabe and Jason knows who it is LOL, you frequent a place you will be taken care of at one time or another. The one thing is not to expect it everytime.

[GoldCorals]

Yes Chris very true I don't or wont mention my LFS of choice but Gabe and Jason knows who it is LOL, you frequent a place you will be taken care of at one time or another. The one thing is not to expect it everytime.


Please explain the above. Did you just say you do NOT expect do be taken care of "everytime" you frequent a business?

[cbianco]

Please explain the above. Did you just say you do NOT expect do be taken care of "everytime" you frequent a business?

I think he means when something goes wrong.

[GoldCorals]

I think he means when something goes wrong.

Oh, I can see that. Don't expect me to be back though:angel:.
What you got for trade cbianco?

[robalv]

I mean on a haggled price or lower than normal price I do on the other hand would like to be taken care of as usual. Simply said I dont expect a lower than normal or haggled price every time.

[GoldCorals]

I mean on a haggled price or lower than normal price I do on the other hand would like to be taken care of as usual. Simply said I dont expect a lower than normal or haggled price every time.


yeah. Gabe has made some nice deals for me too. he do shoot me down from time to time as well as expected. Like you said. Thanks for c;earing that up.

Now I would like to get back on topic of my questions. With links if need be. :shades:

[recoiljpr]

Scenario:
You purchase $250 in Zoas, to get free shipping:), say from a sponsor. On arrival they don't look so good and within a week they all melt on you.

Question 1: Does the seller have a obligation/do you expect to have a store credit or replacement given?

Question 2: Would you expect the same obligation from a private seller? Particularly if they sold the item in some volume.

Question 3: If you feel a "brick and mortar" has a obligation to replace/credit an item but a private seller is exempt why?

It all depends on what the seller states in their post/site/store. If they do not warranty the livestock, then caveat emptor. Some companies do offer warranties on their livestock, but their prices usually contain a markup to help cover the cost of returns. So generally speaking, you will pay more for having the "insurance".

Personally, if I spent enough with a vendor all at one time, I would not mind paying a premium or insurance on survivability for X # of days. That would be a pretty good competitive advantage for that seller in my eyes. Without that kind of umbrella, I will keep my purchases to smaller amounts spread out. That way, the loss isn't as great to me.

[cbianco]

What you got for trade cbianco?

1 polyp of GSP and one half of a RPE. Oh and Gabe was going to help me frag some frags. :p

Actually, I have one SM and one LG frag of my electric yellow zoa's. Pic is somewhere on my thread (I won't put it here since it is OT)

We should get a trade thread going. Maybe a single thread where everyone posts their trades.

Christopher

[GoldCorals]

1 polyp of GSP and one half of a RPE. Oh and Gabe was going to help me frag some frags. :p

Actually, I have one SM and one LG frag of my electric yellow zoa's. Pic is somewhere on my thread (I won't put it here since it is OT)

We should get a trade thread going. Maybe a single thread where everyone posts their trades.

Christopher

I am a lowly "web member." With less than "150 posts"
You don't want what I got! I would say PM me (WE ALL KNOW PM's are MONITORED...u just can't quote it in public) but that would be OT and make me look like a tool for circumventing the rules.

So another point is raised. I have things to offer..but refrain due to BOD issues.

The DFW site is nice though....

[ACE]

Hey Goldcoral, I have a question I hope you don't feel it is off topic, but I am curious about this after reading a thread on another hobby site. What should happen when a "seller" that happens to be a leader, example and representative of another site buys a coral colony for cheap, frags a ton off of them and sells them; then the majority melts away. Should he replace all of them because it's the right thing or are those buyrs out of luck? I know in this hobby corals/fish die, and that's a part of it so I'm not complaining just asking your opinion.

[GoldCorals]

Hey Goldcoral, I have a question I hope you don't feel it is off topic, but I am curious about this after reading a thread on another hobby site. What should happen when a "seller" that happens to be a leader, example and representative of another site buys a coral colony for cheap, frags a ton off of them and sells them; then the majority melts away. Should he replace all of them because it's the right thing or are those buyrs out of luck? I know in this hobby corals/fish die, and that's a part of it so I'm not complaining just asking your opinion.

Well, I have no clue as to what you are talking about. So I can only comment on as to what I have seen on MAAST group buys.
If the sponsor sells you corals that melt away they need to offer credit/replacement or get trashed (see recent group buys). Me, if I were a seller, it would not be a issue. I would do the right thing and credit/refund . I like to sleep at night:applause:. Where in this did you see a "leader, example and representative ?"

[Gseclipse02]

Scenario:
You purchase $250 in Zoas, to get free shipping:), say from a sponsor. On arrival they don't look so good and within a week they all melt on you.

Question 1: Does the seller have a obligation/do you expect to have a store credit or replacement given?

Question 2: Would you expect the same obligation from a private seller? Particularly if they sold the item in some volume.

Question 3: If you feel a "brick and mortar" has a obligation to replace/credit an item but a private seller is exempt why?


by chance were these African zoa's ???

[GoldCorals]

by chance were these African zoa's ???


Would it make a difference. $250 in Zoas is $250.

[Sherri]

No, GoldCorals....your PM's are NOT monitored by the BOD. If they were, then they wouldn't be "Private" Messages. Don't know where you may have gotten your information...but I've been involved with the BOD's since 2003...and that's news to me...:)


I am a lowly "web member." With less than "150 posts"
You don't want what I got! I would say PM me (WE ALL KNOW PM's are MONITORED...u just can't quote it in public) but that would be OT and make me look like a tool for circumventing the rules.

So another point is raised. I have things to offer..but refrain due to BOD issues.

The DFW site is nice though....

[GoldCorals]

No, GoldCorals....your PM's are NOT monitored by the BOD. If they were, then they wouldn't be "Private" Messages. Don't know where you may have gotten your information...but I've been involved with the BOD's since 2003...and that's news to me...:)


I've been a member since '03 myself under a number of names. Please don't think I don't know what's happening at this site. I see you are treasurer....You should be able to provide information on sponsor donations and where they went? See the other thread we would all like to know.

[Gseclipse02]

Would it make a difference. $250 in Zoas is $250.


to me yes .... there a zoa that has a lot of un-normal requirements and most people do not meet the requirements...... '

[GoldCorals]

to me yes .... there a zoa that has a lot of un-normal requirements and most people do not meet the requirements...... '

I agree. But look at the advanced reef keepers here
http://dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=60719&sid=5049bf1d262f846375232f487971c4e7


it's not the kiddy pool here son.

[GoldCorals]

No, GoldCorals....your PM's are NOT monitored by the BOD. If they were, then they wouldn't be "Private" Messages. Don't know where you may have gotten your information...but I've been involved with the BOD's since 2003...and that's news to me...:)
So did u see the thread about donations where where they went. Do you have an answer? I'd like a list as would others. Or are u just worried about reading Pm's.....the last of your worries.

[GoldCorals]

No, GoldCorals....your PM's are NOT monitored by the BOD. If they were, then they wouldn't be "Private" Messages. Don't know where you may have gotten your information...but I've been involved with the BOD's since 2003...and that's news to me...:)


track down the old user names........I am counting on it........IP RECORDS WORK BOTH WAYS..........

[Big_Pun]

whats with all the complaining sh!t happens. how can you insure a live living creature will survive in your individual setup. buying living things is a toss up. i thought the whole point of this site was to share info and help each other out, and in the last 4 months or so ive learned alot and lost alot o-well move on and learn from the expierence. all i know if it wasnt for the people on this site i would have tossed in the towel a long time ago.

[Sherri]

I've been a member since '03 myself under a number of names. Please don't think I don't know what's happening at this site. I see you are treasurer....You should be able to provide information on sponsor donations and where they went? See the other thread we would all like to know.

I beg your pardon?? MY job as Treasurer has nothing to do with sponsor donations other than processing any monies that Sponsors may send...ANd that is on file. MY job as Treasurer has been to have EVERY $ and receipts accounted for. YOU and any other member are more than welcome to come and see my recordkeeping in processing members annual dues, paying bills, presenting annual reports to CPA, etc...I even keep a log for EVERY stamp I mail out...for exactly the reason you imply above. With "those" that want to know and cause the unnecessary childish games....it only hurts those that care about MAAST. It hurts ALL the members.

[GoldCorals]

No, GoldCorals....your PM's are NOT monitored by the BOD. If they were, then they wouldn't be "Private" Messages. Don't know where you may have gotten your information...but I've been involved with the BOD's since 2003...and that's news to me...:)


I see you were fast to reply about PM's.and no monitoring of them But not a word on donations and where the MONEY trail leads.......shame.......I've nothing to hide....you?

[Sherri]

So did u see the thread about donations where where they went. Do you have an answer? I'd like a list as would others. Or are u just worried about reading Pm's.....the last of your worries.

Just what is your problem? You really sound bitter...be very careful how you tell me that it is the last of my worries. I will gladly hand over the job of Treasurer to anyone that wants it. I do this because I enjoy MAAST...not to have someone stick a finger at me and try to preach. I do MY job...to a tee. And that is protect the Member's money.

[GoldCorals]

I beg your pardon?? MY job as Treasurer has nothing to do with sponsor donations other than processing any monies that Sponsors may send...ANd that is on file. MY job as Treasurer has been to have EVERY $ and receipts accounted for. YOU and any other member are more than welcome to come and see my recordkeeping in processing members annual dues, paying bills, presenting annual reports to CPA, etc...I even keep a log for EVERY stamp I mail out...for exactly the reason you imply above. With "those" that want to know and cause the unnecessary childish games....it only hurts those that care about MAAST. It hurts ALL the members.
My bad. Maybe you should just post it to ease all our minds. I'll "charter" up if u do!

[Sherri]

I see you were fast to reply about PM's.and no monitoring of them But not a word on donations and where the MONEY trail leads.......shame.......I've nothing to hide....you?

NOT A THING. I have records for everything I process. Apparently you are hiding...your identity...that is.

[Sherri]

My bad. Maybe you should just post it to ease all our minds. I'll "charter" up if u do!

Honestly...I have nothing to do with Sponsorships...it's not part of my "volunteered" job...but I will not "play" your little game that you play. And no...MAAST doesn't need someone that acts and behaves this childish on this site as a Charter Member.

[GoldCorals]

NOT A THING. I have records for everything I

process. Apparently you are hiding...your identity...that is.


No there is no hiding here. Your sponsor know me. In fact I get the discount without the MAAST'ship causeI spend! But the sponsors pay and donate. If u think as bank keeper that is the end of your responsibilities I question you. You are treasurer! Show us the donations.How much they are where they went and who to. If you can't answer the above don't reply!

[Gseclipse02]

I agree. But look at the advanced reef keepers here
http://dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=60719&sid=5049bf1d262f846375232f487971c4e7


it's not the kiddy pool here son.


ok pops every one takes a risk when you buy something


i saw two smart post out of those threads


"I can’t speak for anyone else but I hold no blame or ill will toward you guys. I knew when I got the hornets that chances of them making it were slim. I had already tried a frag from Neptune’s that meet the same fate. In fact it was the wife that wanted them this time. I am done with the hornets until they get a little more stable in our tanks, if they do. So for me, no replacement needed or expected. Thanks again, the pink ladies look awesome."

"wow....let me ask you a question Bill...Did BigBird not hand you money at your cash register when you handed him the corals? Because if he did, and you completed the sale, then they're HIS corals and HE can do what HE wants with them. I don't understand WHY you think you have the right to bash him in the open public CONSTANTLY after the sell was completed. He bought them, they're his, END OF STORY. After the way you've treated this guy (calling him names? seriously? are we in highschool again?), you can be certain I'll never be visiting your store, and I'll make sure to tell my reefing buddies never to either. Am I the only one who thinks it's effing ridiculous how much crap this guy has taken? "
And Bill, ya burnt a good bridge here, too, with your attitude

[LoneStar]

1st off:

Sherri does an excellent job as being Treasurer

2nd:

Sponsors deal with the Sponsorship Committee about monetary and equipment/gift card donations when joining. The Sponsorship Committe will have a better understanding on who has contributed what when becoming a sponsor. We will hopefully hear a response from the BOD and Sponsorship Committe regarding your questions after tomorrows meeting.

3rd:

This thread has done enough and is completely off track to what was originally posted. Feel free to PM me if you have an issue with it.

[Sherri]

Again...I repeat...I will not play your games...I know what my responsibilities are.

I apologize for apparently getting this thread off track. My intentions were clearing up the point that members PM's are not monitored. Which they aren't and can't be by BOD's.