Shrimp I.D.

[JimD]

Can anyone positively ID these shrimp?

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p114/JimD_photo/imposter.jpg

To the best of my limited shrimp knowledge, they are not part of the Lysmata (Pepppermint Shrimp) family. Thanks!

http://decapoda.nhm.org/pdfs/27306/27306.pdf

[BIGBIRD123]

Looks like those Convict Peppermints....lol

[BIGBIRD123]

All joking aside, somebody come up with an ID....

[JimD]

Ive got several feelers out, nothing yet, maybe tomorrow... I have yet to find anything on the net from the gulf coast. I emailed Bob Fenner also.

[recoiljpr]

Parhippolyte Mistica looks a lot like your picture. I'm not 100%, but it's close!

http://www.marinelifephotography.com/marine/arthropods/shrimps/parhippolyte-mistica.jpg[/URL]

[URL]http://www.hippocampus-bildarchiv.de/db/de/238/2/219/0/list.htm (http://www.marinelifephotography.com/marine/arthropods/shrimps/parhippolyte-mistica.jpg)

[JimD]

That does look similar. I wasnt able to find any info on that link. I found one similar but it was from the Pacific.

[recoiljpr]

That does look similar. I wasnt able to find any info on that link. I found one similar but it was from the Pacific.

Did you collect these wild on the Gulf Coast? Or just found them in your tank?

[JimD]

Yup, the Parhippolyte Mistica are a Pacific species.. I collected these myself at the coast....

[kkiel02]

Could you share a little more info like what depth of water(guessing shallow) and aprox size of shrimp? They look like a black tiger shrimp(minus them being pink instead of black) but these were farmed raised and I don't know where they are native.

[JimD]

They're relatively small, maybe 2" or less. They co habitate with Lysmata Wurdeman and share a similar food source for sure as they were both collected in the shallow 'calm' pools at the end of the jetty, probably less than two feet.

[JimD]

Still no positive ID on these mystery shrimp.... Strange... Im wondering if, since the Port A jetty is in a ship channel, if these shrimp could have been transported to Texas from Hawaii vis a cargo ships ballast tank... Although, these shrimp appear to be slightly different than the Hawaiian ones... Got my interset picqued!

[JimD]

Ok, just got this reply from wet web media, looks like we may be making some progress...

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that I'm working on getting that ID for you but it may take a couple of days. It was so nice to see a question regarding a shrimp species from Port Aransas! I grew up vacationing there and my husband and I still visit whenever we get the chance.

Anyway, I've got the ID narrowed down a bit, but I'm hoping to get a specific answer from one of the faculty members at the UT Marine Science Institute there in Port A. I'm hoping to hear from him in the next couple of days, but if not, I'll go ahead and respond with what I have so far. If he answers afterward, I'll just send a follow-up to you.

Take care - hope to have an answer for you soon!

-Lynn

[subsailor]

Here is a chart with shrimp that are classified as lysmata wurdemani
http://www.aquaportail.com/pictures0808/anemone-clown_1219568650_lysmata_wurdemanni_rathbunae.jpg

[JimD]

I atached this link in the very first post... It shows all related sub species and describes them in detail..
http://decapoda.nhm.org/pdfs/27306/27306.pdf (http://decapoda.nhm.org/pdfs/27306/27306.pdf)

[subsailor]

oh nevermind I am retarded. this is what I meant to post. Duh

http://www.aquaportail.com/pictures0808/anemone-clown_1219568650_lysmata_wurdemanni_rathbunae.jpg

[JimD]

Thats part of the link I posted, check it out, its a great read...

[coffey]

Maybe Small Brown, or Pink Shrimp. The eating kind, just coming out of the marsh?

[subsailor]

Yeah it is a great read, I just didn't realize you had already posted it....

[BIGBIRD123]

Where's that head-slappin' smiley when ya need it....lmao...oh here it is... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_13.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)






(http://www.smileycentral.com/dl/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb112_ZNfox000&utm_id=7920)

[FossilReef]

Maybe Small Brown, or Pink Shrimp. The eating kind, just coming out of the marsh?
Definitely not penaeids like that, these are true shrimp. I'd like to know the answer myself, since I have some of these as well. Their behavior is just like L. wurdemanni, right down to eating Aiptasia.

[JimD]

"Their behavior is just like L. wurdemanni, right down to eating Aiptasia."

Thats really good to know, have you actually witnessed them munching on Aiptasia? Id like to put a definate label on them besides 'ornamental' shrimp...

[LynnZ]

Hello everyone! I'm the WWM crew member that's working on this ID for Jim and trying to get some answers. I'm really hoping to hear something in the next day or so from UTMSI, but we'll see. I think it's a hippolytid of some sort, reminiscent of several species in the genus Parhippolyte but? Problem is, I haven't seen anything resembling Jim's shrimp reported along the Texas coast. I've looked in every book I have and everywhere I can think of online with little to no results. The good news is that no matter what, they're neat looking little shrimps and jeez, if they eat Aiptasia, all the better!

-Lynn

[JimD]

Well hello Lynn!! Thanks for joining our little community here and a HUGE WELCOME!! Thanks so much for your assistance with this ID. Hopefuly, with your help we can get to the bottom of this mystery shrimp... Again, welcome to MAAST!!!

[BIGBIRD123]

Welcome to MAAST Lynn. We are proud to have you join us. It is nice to have an expert in the hobby to participate in our corner of the world. We hope to have some joint participation between MAAST and WWM. Please make yourself at home...

[apedroza]

They could be hybrids of the peppermints.

[JimD]

They could be hybrids of the peppermints.

What do you think they may have cross bred with?

[BIGBIRD123]

Convict shrimp.....jail break! lol

[Mr Cob]

Following along...cool thread.

[LynnZ]

Thanks much for the very warm welcome, y'all! I met Jim through this ID query and he was nice enough to invite me to join the forums. What a nice site it is, too. I couldn't be happier to join your group. I'm a moderator at WWM's forums but plan to drop in here whenever I can. It's great to be able to interact with fellow Texans and saltwater enthusiasts. My husband and I moved to the Seattle area from Austin in '91 and boy do we miss Texas! Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful up here but it's just not home. Anyway, thanks again for the warm welcome. I look forward to good times ahead for all of us! Please feel free to join us anytime at WWM or email me if you ever need anything. In the meantime, let's hope we hear from the guy at UTMSI with good news about what these neat little shrimps are!

[JimD]

Lynn, check these guys out... I believe they're still a Pacific based shrimp, the fact that the're in the Lysmata family may explain their attraction to Aiptasia, even tho the'yre not listed on the PDF link I posted which I find very unusual...Lysmata Kuekenthali's....

[LynnZ]

Yep, I looked into L. kuekenthali, but discounted the species when I found out their range. According to Debelius, it includes "Indo-West Pacific: South Africa, Seychelles, Sri Lanka, Japan, Indonesia" - darn it.

Hey, I've got a bit of good news. I heard back from Dr Munguia this morning! He's not sure what species you have (apparently he's new to the area) but will look into it for us. Yay!

[JimD]

Lynn, thanks for the update! I know this is gonna be a long shot but, is it possible that this is a new Lysmata genus found in the Gulf region?

[LynnZ]

It's always possible that it could be...or that it's a localized variant of a known species. It would be pretty darn cool, wouldn't it, if it was something new?!

[BIGBIRD123]

Jim,
Now aren't you glad you walk all the way to the end of the jetty with me? Man, this pretty cool...

[BIGBIRD123]

Lynn,
I also sent the picture and the link to the discussion on our site to Bob Fenner.

[JimD]

It'll be interesting to see if these guys are still there at the July BigBird Port A collection trip. We'll need a report. lol...

[BIGBIRD123]

Bob sent me a reply saying he wanted to know how we got the Lysmata seticaudata from the Mediterranean to the Gulf of Mexico? That was the closest he could come to an ID. Maybe it is a new strain....

[LynnZ]

Thanks Steve, you should be receiving another email from me shortly, replying to Bob's response. Right now, I've still got Jim's query in my WWM folder to be answered, and will do so formally in the morning. I wanted to give Dr. Munguia some time to respond. With the holiday weekend, it may be a while before we hear anything, but I'll obviously stay on top of things. I want to know what those little guys are! Anyway, as soon as I hear something, I'll pass it along here and post a follow-up for Jim's query at WWM as well. Y'all take care and have a happy and safe fourth of July!

[JimD]

The shrimp Bob Fenner emailed (Lysmata seticaudata), do not appear to be the same as the ones in question, I say this only becaus of the lateral lines along the body which our shrimp doesnt seem to have... Its also a Mediterranian species.
http://www.reefforum.net/photopost/data/502/Lysmata_seticaudata_3_.jpg

[BIGBIRD123]

Well look at these together...
Ours
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j20/onebrickstrait/imposter.jpg
Parhippolyte Mistica
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j20/onebrickstrait/17.jpg

[JimD]

Look at the difference es between the tail fin on the two, the unknown is more solid in color, the Mystica is more clear... Also, the Mysticas legs appear to be a solid color where as the unknowns are multi colored red and white. One more thing, there are seven bands on the unknowns body while the Mystica only has five... I say, not the same... The Mystica also appears to have a spike on its head where the unknown doesnt... Too many differenses once you begin comparing the two side by side...

[BIGBIRD123]

Yea but it's the closest yet...

[Third Coast Tropical]

Just out of curiousity, have you tried sacrificing1 or 2 and using a dichotamous key of invertebrates in the GOM to try and identify these? Or are you merely relying on photos and physical descriptions?

[JimD]

Right now we're comparing photos and relying on the experience of a few pros in the field but feel free to take a crack at it by all means!

http://www.msc.ucla.edu/oceanglobe/pdf/Invertebrates/Inverts_Key_Phyla.pdf

[FossilReef]

Look at the difference es between the tail fin on the two, the unknown is more solid in color, the Mystica is more clear... Also, the Mysticas legs appear to be a solid color where as the unknowns are multi colored red and white. One more thing, there are seven bands on the unknowns body while the Mystica only has five... I say, not the same... The Mystica also appears to have a spike on its head where the unknown doesnt... Too many differenses once you begin comparing the two side by side...
Yeah, and just look at the way that the legs are structured...totally different. I have to say that the mystery shrimp appear more robust than the P. mystica as well.

[kkiel02]

You would sacrifice these rare and illusive species of shrimp? Jk but now my curiousity has the best of me and I can't find anything on the net about them.

[Third Coast Tropical]

THanks for the link. It will be good for others and myself in the future . I have my own key already (Just haven't cracked it open in a very long time....by no means am I a shrimp or invert expert...will look for it because I think it is for GOM), I work at UTMSI as well, just in other areas, primarily with fish....just feel that if you really want to know what it is, then yes, you would need to sacrifice some to actually get a true ID....and by the looks and sounds of it, there seems to be plenty to do so....My 2 cents....I only briefly looked at that link, not sure if that key was specific for GOM......

Anyways, I wish yall luck in figuring it out....I was not trying to offend, I was merely expressing my thoughts on picture keying...now I'll leave it to the shrimp people to confirm it.....

[Third Coast Tropical]

Actually, after going back to your link....Is there more to it??? That link only goes to Phlyum and looks like some type of class excercise. . I'll dig mine out and look at how specific it gets.

[Third Coast Tropical]

Not sure if this can be linked, or if y'all have looked at this....but the citation for the literature i have is

Wood, C. E. Key to the Natantia (Crustacea, Decapoda) of the Coastal Waters on the Texas Coast. Texas A&I, Kingsville, Tx. Contribtutions to Marine Science. Vol. 18. 1974.

This is older and I am sure something more recent for the area should probably be available, speciific to the family Hippolytidae, or other families.

Good luck again.

[JimD]

Thanks for the info! Any help in the right direction is appreciated...

[JimD]

Lil closer pic..
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p114/JimD_photo/Shrimp-1.jpg

[LynnZ]

Happy Fourth of July, everyone! Here's my response to Jim's original query - posted in today's WWM Faq's: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/daily_faqs3.htm



Gulf Coast Shrimp ID – 7/4/09
<Hello there, Lynn here today>
Can you ID these shrimp caught off the gulf coast at the Port Aransas jetties?
<They look like some sort of Hippolytid (Family Hippolytidae - cleaner, peppermint, etc. shrimps,). The closest in color/general appearance that I’ve found so far are several species listed as belonging in the genus Parhippolyte, such as P. misticia, but appearances can be deceiving. When it comes to ID's, details are everything. You’d need to be able to get in close and compare various features, for instance rostrum length/shape, and compare them to either a good diagnostic/identification key or known species within the various Hippolytid genera. Luckily, I’ve got a link to a terrific key covering various shrimps, including those in the family Hippolytidae. Start on page 59 for a key to the various genera: http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/Zoology/pdf_hi/SCTZ-0587.pdf
I’ve also contacted a faculty member at the University of Texas Marine Science Institute there in Port A to see if he could lend us a hand. I received a message from him stating that he was going to look into the matter for us and I very much appreciate it! I will certainly keep you informed regarding any results or developments that come my way. By the way, here’s a link with a photo of Parhippolyte misticia: http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/reefs/guamimg/crustacea/caridea/Pages/Image17.html
More re: family Hippolytidae - http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hippolytidae.htm >
Thanks..
<You’re very welcome! Take care, LynnZ>



The link I listed above contains the best ID key I know of for shrimps. It was written by Dr Fenner Chase, Jr. in 1997. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2004, but he's still "The Man" when it comes to decapod crustaceans! lol So now, all (haha!)you have to do is get one of your little shrimps out (or even a shed would help) and a magnifying glass and go through that key. By the way, you probably already know this stuff, but here's a terrific link relating to shrimp anatomy and all the various terms: http://www.shrimpnews.com/AnatomyShrimp.html

Take care,

-Lynn

[JimD]

Lynn, thanks for that great post! Tons of info there for sure.... If I need to, I can supply you or the UTMSI a shrimp or a molt if necessary for observation and research, just let me know... And hey, enjoy some bbq and ice cold beer! I know I will! :)

[LynnZ]

Thanks, Jim -hope you had a terrific fourth as well! As for the ID, hopefully we'll hear something soon from Dr. Munguia. In the meantime, see what you can do with that key I supplied above. Worst case scenario, you can always send a shrimp to me (dead or alive)...I'd be glad to take a look and try to solve the mystery. :wink_smile:

[OrionN]

....My husband and I moved to the Seattle area from Austin in '91 and boy do we miss Texas! Don't get me wrong, it's beautiful up here but it's just not home. .....
Hey, I did the same. I moved from San Antonio to Seattle in 1991, but I saw the error in my way and came back to Corpus in 1999.
Welcome to MAAST.

[LynnZ]

Thanks for the welcome, Minh!

You were smart to go back home to Texas! We've been wanting to get back for years now, and had been planning on moving back to Austin by 2011. Unfortunately, with the way the economy is right now (home prices - ack!), it looks like we'll be here a bit longer. I swear, every time we go back I get off the plane with the feeling of "Ahhh, I'm home!". I can't wait to get back there.

[FossilReef]

I'll tell you one thing, they sure breed like pepps! Holy cow...unfortunately the larvae are just as cannibalistic.

[scuba_steveo]

I have no clue on the species name but I can tell you from experience that they are the best shrimp I ever put in my system to keep the aptasia away. Larry always tried to get me to use the berghia but they never worked for me. Forget kalk. These shrimp took out all my aptasia quickly and then stayed alive in my system.

[JimD]

Really? Where did you get yours from?

[scuba_steveo]

The same place you did
Port A

[JimD]

Can you tell me when you collected it (time of year) along with where on the jetty, (surf or channel side), time of day/night and conditions? Were you collecting Wurdemannis as well?

[scuba_steveo]

Dang Jim, I wish I remembered. It was with Donny at the jetty on the far end on the beach several years ago. We were collecting what ever we could find. Maybe it's not the exact same but I think it is. I wish I had a picture but I do not.

[barderer]

Jim,

I have often collected this variant of peppermint shrimp from port A as well, for about 2 years now. My theory is they are just a morph of peppermints. They hang out with the peppermints, they have the same behavior as the peppermints. They eat rock anemone. Here is an experiment you can try. Get one from your collection that looks like a classic peppermint and put it in with one thick striped one. Make sure each specimen does not have eggs. Your don't have to worry about sexing them because these shrimp can change their sex. If in a few weeks one successfully hatches eggs. I would say they are both peppermints. Its just like the white moth black moth story from high school biology. Same species but different color to match current conditions. Its looks like the thick stripped ones are becoming more prolific as of late because this year I caught a lot more of the thick striped ones than the classic ones. But that could be due to a number of factors.

[JimD]

Thats an interesting idea, the thing is though, if they are hybrids, what species did the Wurdemanni breed with in the begining to cause this particular morph? Thats my question, and where did it come from and what is there origin?

[barderer]

experiment

W - classic looking Wurdemanni
T - thick striped unknown
clutch - a generation of shrimp bred from W,T or a mix of W and T

tank 1
all W, if any T in clutch then T is simply a variant of the same species. If no T then we know nothing.

tank 2
all T, if any W in clutch then confirm tank 1 result. If no W then we know nothing.

tank 3
mix of W and T, if clutch is W and T then they are compatible species but might be different species.

Please revise as you see fit.

[barderer]

Also I have been catching this clear shrimp along with the peps that has horizontal stripes and multi colored legs. Like a washed out version of our unknown. No red on their body. They are much less pronounced then the peppermints stripes. But it could be a candidate. I will see if I can find any alive ones left in my tank.

[JimD]

experiment

W - classic looking Wurdemanni
T - thick striped unknown
clutch - a generation of shrimp bred from W,T or a mix of W and T

tank 1
all W, if any T in clutch then T is simply a variant of the same species. If no T then we know nothing.

tank 2
all T, if any W in clutch then confirm tank 1 result. If no W then we know nothing.

tank 3
mix of W and T, if clutch is W and T then they are compatible species but might be different species.

Please revise as you see fit.

Man, I wish I had the time and the facility to conduct this experiment, I just dont,. Maybe Lynn Z will see this and chime in, she may be able to convince one of her colleagues to help up out with this... This is really too cool! This is what the whole MAAST experience is all about! Thanks for the interest and the ideas barderer!

[brewercm]

I believe they are "Lysmata jimd" species you got there.

[JimD]

Hey! I like it! lol.... Ya know, Ive thought about the possibility of having to name a new species or sub species, It would be cool, if it were to happen, to let the members of maast chose a name... I wonder what they would come up with? hhhmmmmmm...........

[barderer]

Lysmata Texmaastas - ultimate aptasia eater!

[JimD]

Not bad! lol...

[LynnZ]

Man, I wish I had the time and the facility to conduct this experiment, I just dont,. Maybe Lynn Z will see this and chime in, she may be able to convince one of her colleagues to help up out with this... This is really too cool! This is what the whole MAAST experience is all about! Thanks for the interest and the ideas barderer!

Interesting idea. Just to be on the safe side, I'd want the individual shrimps to be kept separate for at least two molts before being put together. Forgive me, it's late and I'm not exactly firing on all cylinders, but it seems like I read somewhere that some Lysmata spp. could store sperm packets. I just can't remember which species and/or how long. I'll look into it tomorrow.

[FossilReef]

These are extremely common at the Packery Channel jetties on the surf side, also.

[OrionN]

These are extremely common at the Packery Channel jetties on the surf side, also.
I got to get me some. One of my system is overrun with aptasia

[Aqua-Dome]

THE UNKOWN SHRIMP ARE NOW KNOWN, THEY ARE LYSMATA HOCHI. ACCORDING TO MARK FISHER AT THE TPWD, WHOM WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO. THEY ARE A RECENTLY DESCRIBED LYSMATA SPECIES FROM THE CARIBBEAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE ALSO FOUND OFF THE TEXAS COAST ALONGSIDE L. WURDEMANI. WE'LL SEE WHAT MARK SAYS ABOUT THAT. GARY

[barderer]

nice, way to go. Go HOCHI.

[barderer]

oh man why didn't I find this page before. Awesome post

http://www.reefbrasil.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=163&start=0

[subsailor]

oh man why didn't I find this page before. Awesome post

http://www.reefbrasil.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=163&start=0
Great Read, or rather pictures

[LynnZ]

Excellent!! Here are some links re:
http://apt.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1651%2F07-2839R.1&ct=1
http://biogeodb.stri.si.edu/bocas_database/search/species/6352

[JimD]

Ok, heres a little update, Im currently involved in researching these shrimp with a few other biologists and the general consensis is that they may be the Lysmata Hochi, however, there is some doubt being raised, not only of the species but also its origin. Heres the deal, what we need is a few of the unkown shimp as well as a few Wardemanni from Port A, Galviston and the Brownsville areas. If you would like to be a part of this project and have access to specimans from these areas, please let me know asap and Ill make arrangements.... Thanks!

[Pennies2Cents]

Ok, heres a little update, Im currently involved in researching these shrimp with a few other biologists and the general consensis is that they may be the Lysmata Hochi, however, there is some doubt being raised, not only of the species but also its origin. Heres the deal, what we need is a few of the unkown shimp as well as a few Wardemanni from Port A, Galviston and the Brownsville areas. If you would like to be a part of this project and have access to specimans from these areas, please let me know asap and Ill make arrangements.... Thanks!

Jim, Im just loving this experiement.. Ross & I went to the Collection Trip and came back with about 130 peps. Or in this case and unknown shrimp.
Upon acclimation time we noticed that we had both specimens red (false pep) and the clear white ones. We were thrown off by the clears ones with no red pigment. And to say the least a majority of them were bearing eggs. Lots of eggs. The time we collected the specimens was approximately 8:00-till about 10pm. We were collecting on the chanel side of the jetties about 100-150 yards out. I remember the 3rd concrete slab is where we were with Frederick of Coral Reef Baazar. If you need specimens I would not mind handing a few of them over for scientific reasons. :wub: Oh and they do eat aptaisia. We had some in our nano cube and the next morning all aptaisia gone!

[princer7]

I would be happy to donate as well.

[don-n-sa]

Well since we are on this subject I thought I would share my recent experience with these cool little anenome killers.:bigsmile:

The trip that Steve and I did several years ago was amazing , we literally collected hundreds in just a few hours. I added them to my predator tank back then and you could guess what happened to them.:innocent2: FYI we went up and down the whole Jetty (Both sides).

Last weekend I went with the wife and kids and just did a quick collection...I was only there for about an hour. I was on my own while the wife and kids did a little fishing so we only went about 50 yards down. It was about 9 o'clock at night and I went to the right ( Ocean side ) and I immediately saw thousands of little red eyes with my flashlight.

Now here are some pics of the before and after shots of my 20g tank that WAS full of aptasia...I tried to get the same angle but I don't have the patience or the camera to take really good detailed pics. The last pics are the "jetty peppermints" that I have, there are few off colored ones but I think that they are the same. I added these Shrimp Last Sunday night so we are just passing one week.

Before Shot 1


http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664275555_A5kxa-L.jpg


After Shot 1


http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664275950_R3iAZ-L.jpg


Before Shot 2

http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664275605_VCFhy-L.jpg


After Shot 2

http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664275871_LuJnr-L.jpg


Before Shot 3

http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664275449_ohLL5-L.jpg

After Shot 3

http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664289892_P5Dea-L.jpg




Shrimp Pics

http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664276141_YRaky-L.jpg
http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664276043_MTZaJ-L.jpg
http://don-n-sa.smugmug.com/photos/664276230_5Fuje-XL.jpg

[JimD]

WOW!!!! How friggin cool is that! I think the price of these false peps just went up!!!

We are in the process of collecting enough of both kinds of shrimp, the Wurdemanni and the false banded pep, we need at least 20 false and 25-30 true. Ace has generously offered to donate some, depending on how many hes able to collect this weekend so we may have to rely on memnbers current stock to acheive these numbers.... Im very excited about this as are the biologists at New England university and I hope we can put an end to this crustation cunundrum...

[don-n-sa]

You can have some of mine in about another week....:)

[JimD]

Cool, thanks, Ill be in touch. Will here work or would email be better?

[mabel_photo6]

Wow, they did a heck of a job.

Looks like you have a rock with bubble algae.
My Emerald Crab ate that stuff up like candy!

[don-n-sa]

Cool, thanks, Ill be in touch. Will here work or would email be better?

Here is fine ( PM)