Wet/dry or no Wet/dry

[Agent Jones]

I have a wet/dry that came with the tank i bought with bio balls. i have heard mixed reviews about using it and not using it. Can someone help me out?

[Agent Jones]

To clarify most of the LFS have been telling me the wet/dry are fine and its what they use, and online i have alot of people say not to use them.

[Texreefer]

Wet dry vs. sump more refers to the way it biologically filters the water,, you have a wet area for nitrification and a "dry" area for areation. if you have a basic fish only system that would be fine

Ps. only 10 more to the 50 mark and then you can sell,, Not bad for one afternoon

[Agent Jones]

thanks. i understand the difference but i was wondering if i should use the wet/dry that came with my tank or if i should ditch it for something else.

I have done alot of reading and online everyone says they are "nitrate factories" later down the road but if they are so bad why do all the LFS use them?

Thats what i really dont understand.

[txav8r]

Wet dry vs. sump more refers to the way it biologically filters the water,, you have a wet area for nitrification and a "dry" area for areation. if you have a basic fish only system that would be fine

Ps. only 10 more to the 50 mark and then you can sell,, Not bad for one afternoon


I was thinking the same thing. Who counts meaningful posts?

[txav8r]

For $25 you could become a Charter member. You get discounts at some local fish stores and can post in any forum regardless of post counts. People also seem to have a little more respect for charter members.
This would save you from posting 50 times in one day. Some people might frown on that.
Just a little FYI

[Agent Jones]

For $25 you could become a Charter member. You get discounts at some local fish stores and can post in any forum regardless of post counts. People also seem to have a little more respect for charter members.
This would save you from posting 50 times in one day. Some people might frown on that.
Just a little FYI


actually....i plan on paying the 25 bucks at the next meeting so that has nothing to do with it. i just wanted some info on whether i could use the wet/dry or not. I have done alot of tanks but this will be my first reef tank i know its an expensive hobby so i wanted to try and get help from fellow reefer so i can get it right the first time. i have heard different things and wanted to get a clear answer.

but thanks for your non-help!!

[coraline79]

Dump your Bioballs and get some live rubble. Seems to be a common "fix". They are nitrate factories because of buildup in the crevases in the balls and they aren't porous so bacterias that break down the detritus do not successfuly develope there. The shops sell them most likely because they can make more money off of them.

[Agent Jones]

Dump your Bioballs and get some live rubble. Seems to be a common "fix". They are nitrate factories because of buildup in the crevases in the balls and they aren't porous so bacterias that break down the detritus do not successfuly develope there. The shops sell them most likely because they can make more money off of them.

thanks for the help! so do i just put the live rock rumble in the same place as the bio ball were at?

[hobogato]

but thanks for your non-help!!


bad form. this is not reef central.

[mathias]

whats nice about the sump later down the line is you can add more equipment to it.

[txav8r]

I just saw that this guy got banned. That was not my intention what so ever. I feel kind of bad. I was just trying to tell him that it was a little obvious that he was driving his post count up. Hope I didn't ruffle anyones feathers.
I'm sorry if I did.
This fourum has helped me tremendously and I would like to see it help others in the same way. I am a very giving person and so are many people on here. It just annoys me when I think people are taking advantage.
Once again I am sorry if I was out of line.

[Mr Cob]

I still trying to figure out what the heck just happened.???

Anyone care to enlighten me on why this person was banned? Did I miss something?

[rpc]

The guy posted 46 times in about 5 hours.

I think the mods realized that he was just padding his posts to get to 50 to be able to sell in the For Sale forum so they banned him.

[Texreefer]

I agree. need to follow rules but why did we just ban the guy? did a bod warn him first?

[rpc]

I can see why the rule is in place but if there is a rule like that, there will be people to post nonsense just to fulfill it.

I don't see what rule he broke. It is tactless but I couldn't find a rule against it.

-rich

[txav8r]

I'm still in shock. There must have been more to it.

[Mr Cob]

Fact: I joined this site because I was selling my 55gallon on CL two years ago and someone refered me via email to MAAST.org. At that time there was no limit but I bet you I would have also taken the time to get my post count up to 50 in order to market my tank to reefers.

What's the big deal? I've been a loyal MAAST member since that time. So in the same scenario I would have been banned also and would not know any of you and my contributions to this site would have never happened. What if this guy was a good guy too and just wanted to sell something reef related. I read most of his posts and while they were in a short period of time they weren't any less pointless then half of our own posts. Maybe he was also bored and had the time to make some posts. Who's to judge his intentions? I didn't see any warnings.

A site and non profit org only thrives if we can continue to grow and this makes it difficult. But like I said...maybe I missed something???

BODS?

[semperfimarine1]

wow actually this is a very good friend of mine who i REFERRED him to this site to LEARN more about starting up his very first saltwater tank..

he is no way building up his post count to sell or whatever other reason u think it might have been..i told him about this site which he didnt know about...he then thanked me for referring him to it cause he really enjoyed it...he did not deserve to get banned..

can u please unbanned him??

[semperfimarine1]

i asked him what had happened and he wanted to share his side of the story

i was only posting alot cause 1. i was bored. 2. ithere was a lot of stuff i wanted to comment on and ask because i had to wait over a week after signing up to even begin posting. 3.i asked the "mod" numerous times to please show me where i broke the rules and that i was not padding my post. I was just trying to get out there as a new member. I know all my post were not reef related but i took a look at all of my post and they were all on the same topic as the thread. I did a couple of nice tanks and etc but it was no different than anyone else

but instead of showing me anything all he did was give me an infraction and then i asked why i received that and to again please show me exactly whre i was breaking the rules and where i was doing unmeaningful post and then i received the ban

[hobogato]

sad. hopefully it will get resolved.

[msmith619]

Back to the origional subject:
I have wet/dry because it came with my 75 gallon reef-ready tank. If I were to choose, I would have bought a refugium but cost was an issue. Never-the-less, I have zero amonia, nitrites and nitrates in my tank. I think I run it a bit different. It is designed to have the bio-balls all out of the water, I keep it half full of water and so half are submerged. On the return side, I put some rock rubble and a layer of sand- no lights or plants though- so, I guess it could be a hybrid system. It is working for me.
As to the question about pet stores using it if keeping corals is a problem.... their tanks are mostly fish only, have a rapid turn over and they are not concerned about keeping fish for months or years like a hobbyist. I have looked around., The coral tanks are usually on a different filtration system from the fish and usually uses live rock and cheato. I suspect that is so they can medicate the fish tanks and not kill any inverts and probably also believe the refugium can better handle the nitrates but, I do not know that, just an educated guess and I may be all wrong.
I also would appreciate more info as I am keeping corals and if bio-balls are bad, I will upgrade to a better system when the cash flow allows.
Mike

[Mr Cob]

Back to the origional subject:

LOL! That's funny, being that Agent Post started this thread, I think we are on subject considering we are discussing the unfairness of him being banned.

You should probably start a new thread if you would like to continue the subject. It is a good subject but this thread is trashed now.

I'm upset that we are treating our new members so harshly. We should welcome them with open arms and not be so assumptious (I feel like that isn't a word...LOL).

[hobogato]

maybe this post should be read by someone other than the original poster now (and i am not referring to posters in this thread) :wink_smile:


bad form. this is not reef central.

[Big_Pun]

when i first joined i was kinda scared of that happening, i think i did my first 50 in the first week or less, i even jumped in and volunteered to do a pick up on a group order right away, alot of down time at work, i think like me agent just might of been excited like i was with all the information and knowledge on this forum.

but this was a good thread can we start it again or something i just recently got a set up with a sump and wasnt sure to use it or not, or what to put in it.

[Bill S]

maybe this post should be read by someone other than the original poster now (and i am not referring to posters in this thread) :wink_smile:

Ace, I saw that and was glad that I wasn't the one who chastised him this time!

Maybe, just maybe, he was misjudged.

[coraline79]

You should not be able to ban someone unless the have committed the infraction. If everyone would leave it be, until his 50th post, and his next post was in the forsale section then you ban him. otherwise you are using your personal judgement, not a rule to ban the user. I have not seen all of this persons posts, but this one seemed pretty legit. When i was new to salt 2 years ago, i thought a wet/dry was in my future.

[txav8r]

I've read my post about 50 times now and I still don't get it. Suggesting someone use a little etiquette or suggesting someone join as a charter member is not a crime. I could have said it nicer I guess but I said it to help him, not make him mad.
"Thanks for the non-help" wasn't the response I expected but it doesn't seem like a reason to ban someone.
There must have been more to it, but I still feel somewhat responsible.

[hobogato]

you are not responsible, im sure the bod will discuss it and rectify the situation.

[brewercm]

After reading this I went through and read most of his posts and have to say that most all them seemed legit. Not taking sides so lets see if the one of the BODs can chime in as to what happened.
I know that once my wife found facebook she probably had over 100 posts within a day. Different scenario, but in a way not so different.

As a former BOD just let this play out and don't get overly upset as we don't see much of what is happening behind the scenes. I'm sure they'll iron everything out if they haven't already.

[txav8r]

Thanks Ace. I guess I should just forget it for now. I guess if the BODs thought we ought to know what happened, they would tell us.

[hobogato]

..... I guess if the BODs thought we ought to know what happened, they would tell us.

not sure i am comfortable with that, i think at this point some explanation is necessary. give them time, i am sure it will turn out ok :)

[semperfimarine1]

well hopefully he can get back on the forums..

he is just as eager to learn anything and everything about reefing just like ALL the rest of us on here

[ACE]

Why has none of the BOD posted any response?

[danny]

*Grabs popcorn

[justahobby]

I know when I joined I loaded the place down with questions. My only source for information was websites and LFS's. It was a great chance to be able to learn more of the science side of things instead of do this or else. With the science, Unfortunately I also learned how political this website can be. Chastised by insinuations and sometimes flat out for not being a paid member which is why I have not paid. I've neve been one to follow peer pressure.

And no it's not reefcentral it's a more local place where people know the face behind the screename but does that disallow someone from having an opinion or showing distaste for a question going unaswered including a reminder that you will GAIN respect if you fork over some money? I can remember a thread recently asking why there wasn't more paid members and I think this will show why. It's a shame if I too am banned but at least it's not for nothing like the last.

[Mr Cob]

*Grabs a coke

(LOL)

[hobogato]

(tapping microphone)tpf, tpf, tpf - this thing on? :)

[serazol]

Kind of off-topic, but:

This is the first place I've heard of "BOD," which I assume is this board's "mod" or "moderator." What does it stand for?

Maybe this guy got auto-banned from a flood-detector. This forum doesn't use Captcha to post, so maybe flood-detection was set up and set up real sensitive.

So anyway, there's a similar thread this weekend regarding bioballs in the Nano Tanks sub-forum:
http://www.maast.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50456
I might add that this thread is more on topic lol.

Can someone pass the popcorn? I brought Mountain Dew.

[Texreefer]

Kind of off-topic, but:

This is the first place I've heard of "BOD," which I assume is this board's "mod" or "moderator." What does it stand for?

BOD means Board of Directors or in this thread... The absence of

[msmith619]

* Grabs a box of Whoppers
waiting for the show to begin!

[danny]

BOD means Board of Directors or in this thread... The absence of

oh snap!

[wesheltonj]

I have looked over the Terms of Use, Bylaws (by the way its Bylaws not By Laws, in About Us) and the sticky about the 50 posts in the for sale threads, and I cannot find anywhere where it would be prohibited to run up a post count just to get to 50. (And if you change that, then who decides what posts count and what posts do not? A slipperly slope if ever their was one.) That said their must be something else, that caused the ban.

[g-ray]

I have not been watching the threads much past few days and I know about as much information as you all.

[Gseclipse02]

i remember when i started posting i was quick to get to 50 post just because there was so many things i wanted to buy for my tank and maast people had it all plus i was learning a lot




but annnnyy waaayyyss.....





http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/gseclipse02/untitledrsdfdsg.jpg

[cpreefguy]

Sorry if someone already answered this, but...


Agent Jones was sent a PM by a moderator for possible post padding. Agent Jones then sent threatening messages back to the moderator. Personal threats carry a zero-tolerance policy. Thus the ban.


HTH

[hobogato]

thank you for clarification.

[cpreefguy]

No problem, I was out all day and just saw this.

Rest assured, you won't get banned for padding your post count :)

[gjuarez]

THanks for the clarification Sean. We have a great community here and we want to keep it that way

[mathias]

bump





















































jk lol

[justahobby]

Ok, Why was a warning for post padding issued? A threat is a threat, but could a conflict have been avoided?



Rest assured, you won't get banned for padding your post count :)

[Mr Cob]

Yeah, I don't agree with sending a warning about padding posts. Like I said before, most of our own posts are pointless, so who is to judge someone elses post value? I read all of his posts and they were no less of value then our own.

I agree personal threats should have a ZERO tolerance policy!

Thanks for the clarification/response, Sean.

[Agent Jones]

BACK FROM THE GRAVE!

Ok thanks for the unban.

but i still need to know when did i threaten someone. So if someone could please PM or email me this information because its not right or fair to make false accusations against other members especially when they are banned and can not defend their name.

-Thanks
Agent Jones
Ray

[BIGBIRD123]

PM sent

[gjuarez]

Have to admit I was one of the first ones to believe that you were padding posts. It just didnt make sense, its not the norm. Anyways, welcome back and happy reefing.

[Agent Jones]

Yeah, I don't agree with sending a warning about padding posts. Like I said before, most of our own posts are pointless, so who is to judge someone elses post value? I read all of his posts and they were no less of value then our own.

I agree personal threats should have a ZERO tolerance policy!

Thanks for the clarification/response, Sean.


just to clear the air, i didn't make a threat to anyone and ill leave it at that.

[gjuarez]

Hey so back on topic.. What did you decide after all? I am not a big fan of wetdry filtration, I would recommend a fuge or maybe a BB sump with some type of macro algae. Everyone does it their way, and you can make it work many different ways thats what makes this hobby so fun. Got a skimmer?

[Agent Jones]

yeah i just got a REEF OCTOPUS 110 for my skimmer and im still deciding on the wet/dry. I am thinking of making a home made sump/fuge combo.

[BIGBIRD123]

You need ya one of these...my new sump/refugium...built by Dans Aquaplex.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j20/onebrickstrait/Picture185.jpg

S

[CoryDude]

Not sure of your intended tank set-up (I'll re-read your posts), but try and avoid the wet dry at all costs. After you get tired of fighting NO3 all the time, you'll just end up disconnecting it and letting it sit in your garage (my personal experience).

Live rock, refugium, more live rock, and a skimmer will cover most of the reef's inhabitants filtration needs.

[gjuarez]

THere are a couple of people that can guide you with making one, Ace, Reefone and Dan to name a few..

[CoryDude]

You need ya one of these...my new sump/refugium...built by Dans Aquaplex.
S

Gabe told me Dan was building you one. Heard you get a good price too!

[BIGBIRD123]

Man, it's sweet. It's like the one he has under his coral tank but longer. It has the refugium raised up about the volume section of the sump. Man I love it!

S