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ErikH
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 01:54 AM
Well, after two years of living in a 2nd floor apt, we are moving into a house. :) So of course I am upgrading! :bigsmile::shades: I plan on having a 200g+, and with a flourishing tank already in place, moving it with no deaths is not just a goal, it is a necessity! The people we are getting the house from are friends of the family, so I may have a little over a month to get it all done, since they are all moved out. If all goes as planned, I sincerely believe that I can do this in a week, with no deaths. The new tank will set my pace though, so it must be very stable before the move. I know, I just said "very stable", and my timeframe is less than 1 month from my start date. Please do keep in mind that I have been planning and researching this for about 8 months. Also, I have been keeping SW for a mere 3 years, but as everyone here knows, my job allows me a ton of freedom for research. Research and Patience are the foundations of success in this hobby, so hopefully, I have done enough research! I wish I could be more patient, but it's just not possible, time is of the essence.

Wish me luck, and ALL suggestions and criticisms ARE ENCOURAGED. I brainstormed the wah-zoo out of this, but it's better to have y'all look it over as well! I broke the steps down by tank. I currently own a 75g.

My New Tank....
1.) Get new tank prepped (drilled, plumbed, leak tested)

2.) Fill it with NEW sand, dry as a bone. 1/2" sugarfine first, then a fine layer of Crushed Coral, and then 1/2" a tad bigger than sugarfine. My sump will be DSB running the entire length, with just sugarfine.

3.) Next, add salt, thinly atop the sand, and gently fill tank with water. Let the return mix it.

4.) Verify Temp, PH, and Salinity. All must be stable and match the old tank.

5.) Dose until CA is 440 and Alk is 11.

My Old Tank....
Before I cover the next steps, my tank is a 75g reef/29g baffleless fuge/sump. It has about 200 or more pounds of rock, and around 225 pounds of LS. It is naturally filtered, no skimmer, or other mechanical filtration. I run carbon 24/7 and phosban as needed. I have a dual-stage Hobo-made CA reactor for Alk and CA. Lighting is 2x250DE PFO MiniPendants, XM20k bulbs (HQI), and 4x48" Giesemann bulbs, with TeK reflectors. My Halides are on 12 hours per day, and the T5s are only on about 8 hours. It sounds backwards, but I like the halides as my dawn and dusk. The shimmer from the halides is much more pronounced without the T5s, which look great in the AM and late night.

The 29g fuge/sump contains 60 lbs of sand, end to end. On one half of the sandbed lies 60 lbs of rock, the other half is full of macro. The return pump is buried in the rocks, almost dead center in the tank. The fuge is lit 24/7 by a 70w Viper Halide.

This setup has been GREAT! With no skimmer to worry about, we can go on vacation with no worries. Jeremy does come by and fills my ATO and feeds the fish every 2-3 days. It seriously maintains itself, and because of that, I can honestly look at my reef to relax. On to the plans...:thumbs_up:

From My Old Tank.....
1.) Pull the rock from my sump, and drain it leaving it's sandbed intact with enough water to transport it. It's about 60lbs each rock and sand. Haul tail to the new tank, and crank up the A/C in my car to keep temps down.

2.) Add all of the sump rock immediately to the new tank. It will be transported in water. Also add 1/2 of the sandbed from old sump to new sump, testing twice daily. If second test comes out good, it's ready to add the other 1/2. Repeat until it's transferred.
-A sidenote here is that since I have filled my sump with macro, I have not seen any nitrogen(?) bubbles for several months . I also stir this sandbed during every water change since it is in my sump, and drain off all of the filthy dirty water. Since it is actively turned, I do not think that disturbing it will have any negative effect, as it has not for over 2 years. It should only help liven the new sand, and quickly since it is stirred often.

3.) In step two, I will be removing my macro algae. It will be placed into a bucket, which will act as my sump. I plan on keeping the macro away from the return with eggcrate and some rock. When I go to do step 4, I will move the macro, and it's light.

4.) Pull my tangs and add them all to the new tank. (2yellow,1PT,1ST) By this time, the tank should be able to handle the bioload, especially with the macro.

5.) Remove my centermost rock, remove SPS frags, except for my green slimer, and add to my new tank. I will have a borrowed halide for the new tank until I am done.

6.) Observe my frags, checking polyp extension the next day. If it is good...... step 7!

7.) Remove my two other main rocks, SPS and all. Place them into the new tank. The rocks that raised them higher in my 75 will also go into the new tank, but they will not go under my main display rocks, as to give the frags some down time.

8.) Move lighting, and CA reactor.

9.) Remove remainder of livestock, and add to the new tank.


If I Buy Used...
If I do buy a used system, depending on the condition, I may move it with the sandbed intact. If I do that, I will need to drain, move, and refill all in the same day. Overnight, if the levels spike, I will immediately pull the rock, and put it in a stable system the same day. Then I will drain the tank, and yank the old sandbed. I probably will not use it after that. I will however keep the water, and try to reuse it somehow.


THANKS FOR READING, ALL COMMENTS/QUESTIONS ARE ENCOURAGED!

cpreefguy
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 02:20 AM
Long post! I'll read it in the morning :) looks like a lot of planning though. It's a good thing!

cbianco
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 05:49 AM
Moving a tank is always a hassel no matter how you cut it. I wish you luck in your tank move!

I did not see carbon mentioned. I would keep plenty of carbon on hand in case the corals or any other creature get PO'd.

Would your new tank be cycled by the time you moved the old one in?
When are you going to move the tank?
If you need some help, schedule permitting, I'll help ya!

Christopher :)

Gilbert
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 09:13 AM
i was wondering why you had a thread for a 200 gallon, i was thinking man this guy is crazy as soon as he fills that thing its going to go through the floor. Hope everything goes well and if you need help let me know.

hey you also never mentioned how far your moving the live stock...

Bill S
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 01:47 PM
I also wondered about the 200 on the second floor, but figured he'd probably bought a house...

Erik, after my disaster, I'd DEFINATELY do this: Don't move much if any of your existing sandbed. You need a couple of cupfuls for the bacteria - that's it. They double every 20-30 minutes, when there's nutrition and an environment for them.

By bringing your old sand, you are bringing all of the hazards in that sand. The sand is a toxic bomb waiting to go off - seriously. That's what caused all of my problems, and I only had an inch on the bottom.

Frankly, I'd consider this, if you can: Run your new tank without a sump at first. Get your sump up and running on it's own, and stable, and then introduce it into the "loop". With 200g of water, you should be fine until it stabilizes. Even if you have to do large water changes every week, a bucket of salt is $45 and it will change your entire system once. SO much better than a tank meltdown.

profntbtr
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 05:13 PM
do not add salt and then water!!! there is a high probability that you will have a calcium fallout, and have to scrape the Ca deposits off of everything. add the water, and then the salt. trust me.

Bill S
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 11:12 PM
I'd like to see someone prove this theory. Think of it this way, when you dump the salt into a full bucket of water, the density at the bottom is the same as when adding water to salt - saturated.

I've heard this urban myth for years. Like to know if it's REALLY true. Bet it's not...

Mr Cob
Thu, 12th Mar 2009, 11:55 PM
Wish you luck bro...I'm taking the easy way out....SELL IT ALL and start over! I have moved tanks in the past...NOT FUN AT ALL, especially when you have a lot of coral!!!

Actually, I decided to keep my aquapod going with a select few corals, live rock, live sand to help start/seed the new tank when the time comes.

alton
Fri, 13th Mar 2009, 06:41 AM
I would move the 75 and reset it up. And when you are all moved in take your time and setup a 200 and let it season for 6 months or more before moving SPS into it. If you are set on moving immediately into the 200, I would reuse all the water from the 75 into the 200. Kind of like doing a water change when you move but instead of using new water use the old.

Kristy
Sat, 14th Mar 2009, 12:09 AM
Hey Erik,

We switched from the 100g to the 210g in one long weekend. And they were sitting side by side, so moving to a new house would be more challenging. We did not use the old sand that came with the tank, but it sat empty for a week. We kept the rock going in water, and moved everything over from the old tank to the new tank, including as much of the old water was we could. Livestock went into buckets and tubs, everything in the old went into the new, new sand was used, the tank came with some rock and we reused our old rock, as much water we could salvage and then new salt water to make up the difference. Worked out fine with no cycle. Only lost a damsel and blue green chromis as the bag got accidentally crimped. So it can be done. Shout if you need help or supplies when the big time comes. We have tons of buckets, some tubs and even a 55 gallon drum you could use to make water in ahead of time (We don't use it and might be selling it soon). Exciting. -Mike