need info

[copperband]

hello i was wondering if y'all could give me some info on
scopas tang
fuzzy dwarf lion
foxface
singapore angel
purple square anthias
orange anthias
barletts anthias
fathead anthias
yellow watchman goby
blue spot watchman goby
purple queen anthias
yellow corise wrasse
canary wrasse
candy hogfish
purple fairy wrasse
coral buety angel
chocolate clownfish
bicolor blenny
zebra dart fish

also is it possible to keep skunk clowns and percula clown together with occelaris clowns all in the same tank at once



and what type of fish would y'all suggest for a 75 gallon reef tank

i was wondering how big these get and if it was possible to keep them with corals shrimp small fish scallops clams all that type of stuff thanks in advance.:)

[tony]

info on your setup might get you better answers ;)

[copperband]

well me and my bro want to upgrade to 55-75 gallon tank

[tony]

fish only? or do you plan on keeping corals?

[tony]

also, spending $20 on this (http://www.amazon.com/PocketExpert-Guide-Marine-Fishes-Essential/dp/1890087386/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199335886&sr=8-1) will likely save you a lot of money and grief in the long run

[MKCindy]

One of my best info sites on fish is www.marinedepotlive.com/

[copperband]

it will be a reeftank

[erikharrison]

Definitely invest in a 75 over a 55. 55s are too skinny for any good chunks of LR.

[copperband]

well my bro really wants a 72-75 or possibly bigger he wants to have a predatory mixed reef tank and the fish i have are a false perc clown 2 sargeont major damsels a golden damsel a royal gramma a engineer goby and a lawnmower blennie and then i have corals and a cleane shrimp and a coral banded shrimp and hermits and snails and two flame scallops and a purple nudibranch and a orange tree sponge that would be going into the tank

[alton]

CBB's need to have small Aptaisia until they transform over to eating Mysis, unless you can buy one from someones tank. Triggers are wasteful eaters. Powder Blues and Hippo's get Ich very easy, once again if you can buy these from someones tank. Never had any of the other fish.

[captexas]

Yeah, definately recommend buying the Marine Fish book. I have two and keep one in my truck for when I'm out cruising the LFS and get an urge to buy a new fish. As mentioned the Marine Depot Live site has some information on the various fish they sell and you can also look at liveaquaria.com for much of the info you are looking for.

I would also recommend upgrading your tank first and then shopping for fish. I thought you were already maxed out on your tank as it were.

[BIGBIRD123]

Most of the Tangs and All Triggers need a bigger tank than a 75g. Most of these fish need 120g+. Have you ever seen a 14" Blue Hippo? They have several in the 14' aquarium cylinders at the Rain Forest Cafe in Galveston. So you might want to either consider a much bigger tank or smaller fish. If you research most fish, they will tell you the minimum size aquarium.

Steve

[Bill S]

What Bigbird said.

You will also have trouble keeping more than a couple of unrelated tangs in that tank. Especially the Powder Blue (or brown). They can be VERY territorial. And not easy to keep.

[Bill S]

Oh yeah. And due to the high levels of waste of many of your choices (puffers, triggers, etc.) you will constantly fight nitrate levels, pretty much taking out your chances of having any corals.

Do some searching on Donny's tank - he's selling it right now. Doninsa, I think? You can't BELIEVE what he's done from a plumbing perspective to keep his nitrate levels within reason. BTW, if you want a nice "agressive reef" setup, his is a steal.

[erikharrison]

www.liveaquaria.com (http://www.liveaquaria.com) is a good source for info as well. I think the specs for the fish in comparison to tank size is different from MD.

Oh yeah, FYI, I am getting rid of some of my larger more wasteful fish out of my 75 so I can put in smaller schooling fish. If you want the best of both worlds, you are going to spend a pretty penny on a skimmer and you will be doing significantly large water changes weekly to combat fluctuating levels. I am going for stability, that way I don't have to be glued to my tank. The other thing that no one really talks about is oxygenation. I'll share an experience..... or two.

I had several tank crashes in a very short time when I first started keeping saltwater fish. All of my levels etc checked out ok until after the crashes. It took two till I realized what happened. I thought I had failsafed my original findings then wham, crash number three. I posted and posted and researched like mad trying to find out what in the heck was causing this. Alot of people here just thought it was because I had no clue what I was doing and was tempting fate at every turn. Incorrect. It turned out to be that I was accidentally oxygen starving my fish.
1st Crash: We lost power for about 5 seconds, everything came back on except for my mag5. Dead fish everywhere.
2nd Crash: I got back from a Spurs game to find a bunch of dead fish. Again, the mag 5 was off.
3rd Crash: Cucumber got stuck in the inlet of the mag5. Dead fish. Alive cucumber. In fact, everything in the sump survived because the oxygen coming from the skimmer.

What I had finally come to realize was that I simply did not have enough oxygen exchange at the surface of the water in my tank. THAT tank was a 47 gallon column, or a taller version of a 37 cube. That much water volume, combined with a very small footprint for the gallonage, and a large bioload led to disaster after disaster. I know everyone that tried to help me through these were probably beating their heads against the wall because they probably thought that I had not told the truth about my levels and that I was just killing fish. To be honest, I was ready to just move on. The reason that the mag kept getting dismissed from being the problem, was because I had a Seio 820 that was always on, even when we lost power.

Looking back on all of it, I am amazed that none of us had figured it out. I tested it one time, and saw the drastic change in activity in the fish and new I had found the culprit.

My advice to you is simple, don't overstock a small tank, or get one with an insufficient footprint. Your fish will only suffer. :)

[RayAllen]

Quick Answer. Read books & internet research and you will find your answers very quickly...........

[BIGBIRD123]

Quick Answer. Read books & internet research and you will find your answers very quickly...........

Ray, I agree on the read, read and read but sometimes it's the average reefer that can give you better advice because some of the "experts" are ego driven and don't always adapt to new changes...you can ask two different ones and get two different answers. I certainly can tell you what not to do...LOL!

Steve

[RayAllen]

Ray, I agree on the read, read and read but sometimes it's the average reefer that can give you better advice because some of the "experts" are ego driven and don't always adapt to new changes...you can ask two different ones and get two different answers. I certainly can tell you what not to do...LOL!

Steve

Definately true, I know in my 10+ years in keeping fish both fresh and salt ive been succsessful in doing things that you are not suppost to be able to. So it is a matter of trial and error in some/many aspects, but books will give you some good basic guidelines. I researched saltwater a full year before finally taking the jump and it was well worth it..... The hobby is always advancing and changing which makes it fun and exciting, but drains the wallet:shades:

[Mr_Cool]

The problem here is that everyone seems to havd differing thoughts on what can and/or should be done. If you research a particular fish or coral on-line, you will find differences in recommended tank size, lighting needs, compatability, etc. I've found it best to ask those w/ personal experience. Of course, like Ray said, some people have good results doing things that, according to the "experts," they shouldn't be doing.

Really, I think you need to read up on things and ask lots of questions. There are people here, though, who are more than willing to help.

[BIGBIRD123]

For the most part, different things work for each individual but most fish on his list need a bare minimum of 100g on just about every listing. In this I agree and that is pretty much what I was trying to get across that they need as much swimming room as possible. One of the reasons for my up-grade to the 280g from the 135g.

Good luck with your choices...

Steve

[captexas]

Yeah, you might find different answers online, but you are also going to get many different answers from talking to people as well. Online will at least give some general guidelines and information about the fish that he was asking about so maybe he could narrow down the list of what to ask other hobbyists about. As stated, what works for one person may not for another.

Without knowing what his current setup is or what the "upgrade" setup will be like, it's hard to recommned fish to someone, especially someone new to the hobby. I believe there have been several other threads where he has stated his tank (29g ?)is "maxed" out but he keeps wanting more fish with talks of upgrading soon. I think it's better to upgrade and then look at what fish he can add based on what he gets.

Just my 2 cents.

[copperband]

well i will not be adding anymore fish until i upgrade i am just trying to get all the info on some fish i would be interested in and it will almost definetly be a 75 gallon aquarium also the powder blue and blue hippo tang i new were very diffficult i just wanted tio here from people on here on their expierience i will also look the list over and narrow it down. i also decided to ask these questions on here because i wanted the advice from fellow reefers because their is no filter on the internet to filter out whats wrong so the best advice i think i can get is from people on maast

[copperband]

updated list

[captexas]

Ok, good. A 75g is a good tank size to work with, much better than going with a 55g as I think Erik mentioned. I had one as a freshwater tank and then converted it over to a reef tank a few years ago.

[erikharrison]

Copper, What I am going to do with my 75 is only buy nano fish. I still think you have some fish listed that are just going to get too big for that tank. I am getting rid of a few fish here and there, and I am going to replace the large waste fish with a bunch of smaller fish. The reason that I am doing this is because a 75 is not long enough or large enough to keep alot of the fish that I want... I am trying to be more responsible, all the while adding a ton of color to my tank. Some of the smaller fish can be added in small groups (usually odd numbers) and some of them school, which is always appealing to the eye. From afar, the schooling fish will draw attention to the tank. When you get close, you start to see the other fish, popping their heads in and out of the rockwork. To me, that is what keeps you looking at a tank. I highly recommend looking at nano fish, as there are some that are brilliant in coloration, and you can put more little fish in there than you can big fish.
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/scateg.cfm?pCatId=2124

[captexas]

Yeah, sometimes we want more than what our tanks can support. I've always been more into fish than corlas and there are so many fish I would love to have that I can't due to not having a big enough tank or the fact that they wouldn't get along with other tankmates or they would eat what corals I do have! :what_smile: I've made some quick notes below to your list and I'm sure others will chime in.

coral catfish - venemous, can get up to 12inches long and can eat small fish/shrimp. also requires good filtration as they are messy
copperband butterfly's - as noted by others, can be difficult to feed at first. seems to be hit or miss with some eating right away and some never eating prepared foods
scopas tang - probably ok, just remember they can be territorial
vagabond butterfly's - can get around 9inches long and requires some room to swim. As with many butterflyfish, they can/will pick on corals at times. I recently tried a Klein's Butterfly that was supposed to be more reef safe than others and it destroyed my condy anemone and was eating away at my zoo's.
valitini puffers - not recommended for a reef tank, needs to be fed often
heniochus butterfly's - will eventually need a larger tank to swim around, especially if you get more than one.
fuzzy dwarf lion - venemous, will eat smaller fish and shrimp
foxface - would be ok, just watch out for the spines
singapore angel - hit and miss as to if they adapt to feeding, can nip at corals
snowflake moray - can eat small fish/crustaceans

All info from the Marine Fishes book by Scott Michael.

It depends on what kind of tank you want to set up. If you want corals, you have to be careful what fish you add as some will nip/eat your corals. If you want to keep shrimp in the tank, you have to make sure not to get any fish that will end up eating the shrimp. If you want to have fish that are agressive or messy eaters and such, you have to make sure you have good filtration/skimming. If you just want a tank that is easy to maintain and enjoy, look for fish that fit more into a peaceful community setup, along the lines of what Erik mentioned.

For my old 75g, I had a 6-line wrasse, an African flameback angel, a blue "hippo" tang, and a naso tang. I think I had a foxface and a chocolate tang at one time. Both the tangs I had were small and I was planning on moving them to a 240g I was working on as they would outgrow the 75g.

[copperband]

ok then i will go ahead and update the list and add some of the smaller fish i have questions about but i would really like to have atleast of the larger fish on the list like the scopas and the foxface

[erikharrison]

look on www.liveaquaria.com (http://www.liveaquaria.com) it will help whittle away at immediate questions.

[copperband]

cool thanks

[erikharrison]

Copper, look up a fish compatability chart. Google it. Those are great at figuring out what you are getting into at a quick glance.

[copperband]

ok thanks i'll do that