fuzzy dwarf lionfish

[copperband]

ok im interested in looking to buy a fuzzy dwarf lionfish but not sure if its reef safe. right now i have a 30 gallon tank with a false percula clown a sixline wrasse 3 engineer gobies somekind of chromis/damsel 3 hermit crabs feather dusters live rock live sand i plan on corals someone from my lfs is going to be drilling my tank for me soon and i plan on more fish and my water parameters are great. i also have a large cleaner shrimp in my tank so any help would be great.

[JimD]

Lionfish as a rule will eat anything they can fit into their mouth, your smaller fish, crabs and shrimp may all be at risk, proceed with caution. Also, the aggressive nature of the damsel fish may be a problem for the lion.

[copperband]

thanks but actually the clownfish keeps eveyone in the tank in their place cuz he is the leader of the tank even though the damsel has been in their longer but wut type of fish would u suggest then for my tank thats real colorful

[txstateunivreefer]

eh i wouldnt risk it as well. just go out and get you a nano then you can have an agressive reef!!

[lhoy]

Just know that you will be surprised what they can fit in their mouth. The other fish and inverts will be gone for sure.

I came across a little tiny one at about 1" and had to have him so I put him in my sump. He will go in the frag section of my tank with a little live rock to hide in.

Lee

[copperband]

thanks but i think i have enough tanks for now but wut type of fish could go in this setup that are reef safe

[envy]

he will eat ornamental shrimps and smaller fishes just like any lion has venomus spines
if it were me i would chance it as long as its the fuzzy dwarf(shortfin lionfish) its better in a reef than the zebra lionfish(dwarf lionfish)
good luck

[MissT]

you've already got 6 fish in a 30 gallon tank which is a lot in itself. (Especially with 3 fish in there that will reach 10" +...)Lionfish produce quite a bit of waste when they eat, so it would be okay in some circumstances, but not for your tank, bio load being primary concern. If you were willing to do water changes twice a week, you could probably get away with more fish, but it's not a very good idea. Buy more coral if you need something new to look at.

[envy]

anthias, basslet, most dottybacks, grammas, assessor, jawfish, hawkfishes, cardinalfishes, most tilefishes, damselfishes, clowns, scott's fairy wrasse is a beauty some wrasse, most blennies, all dragonets, most gobies, all dartfishes, most surgeonfishes, pinktail trigger, redtooth trigger(niger) [he may nip at sponges, tunicates, ornamental shrimp, and snails] glided trigger(bluechin), same as niger with my nip at, some filefishes these are all that i know about

[txstateunivreefer]

thats a very good point made by misst

[MissT]

^^

Most of those fish will NOT do well in a 30 gallon tank, so unless I missed something in the thread saying it was a 75 gallon +, I'd disregard 85% of the fish on the above list

[copperband]

ok thank you every one since ther are not many fish i can get my question is can i get more inverts and wut corals would do well in this tank the lighting is a powercompact light 65 watt with a 50-50 bulb i have a skimmer im going to be getting my tank drilled soon most likely i have great filtration and great water parameters oh i also have a purple nudibranch

[MissT]

mushrooms, zoanthids, leathers, candy cane...

go to www.asira.org/caresheets (http://www.asira.org/caresheets)

look at the coral types and see what you like that you know you can meet or exceed its lighting, flow and food requirements. Their website is a good place to start and their sensitivity levels are pretty much spot on.

[copperband]

ok so looks like im going to get corals instead of new fish but ther is one last question i have would it be posible to get a nother damselr or so and maybey gobies or blennies just wondering and also about the other inverts would it be possible to get more of the inverts like shrimp crabs ect thanks

[MissT]

IMO: Get rid of the engineers and get a yellow watchman goby.

[copperband]

well is it possible to have both because the engineers are very new to the tank

[MissT]

It would also be a good idea to beef up your clean up crew. No mention of snails in your above post... I feel they're indespensible in a reef tank; I'm sure most would agree.

[copperband]

and wut is imo

[copperband]

k i will get some snails

[MissT]

in my opinion

the engineers get way too big, especially having three of them, for that size tank. The watchman gobies have awesome personalities, I don't think you'd be dissappointed. Maybe even get a Royal Gramma as well, they're an inexpensive, decent looking fish and should get along fine with your other fish.

[copperband]

ok im going to get rid of the two biggest ones because they kicked my little one out of his burrow and then ill get the to fish miss t suggested thank you all im going to call my lfs and see how mutch i can get for the two if its not the amount i would like i will then most likely put them on the for sale and trade thank you all

[copperband]

ok i have a thread for them on the for sale and trade

[envy]

i would avoid the royal gramma because like you said the clown is a bully and puts everyone in their place that gramma will be hiding most of the time they are timid fish if you have holes in the rocks for him to hid he might be fine but don't be surprised to se the clown pick on him and not see him as much as you would like

[envy]

^^

Most of those fish will NOT do well in a 30 gallon tank, so unless I missed something in the thread saying it was a 75 gallon +, I'd disregard 85% of the fish on the above list

all i posted were reef safe fish like he stated what are some reef safe fish that was what you missed:clown:

[copperband]

what

[copperband]

if the royal gramma would not be good then wut might u suggest instead of the royal gramma

[envy]

It would also be a good idea to beef up your clean up crew. No mention of snails in your above post... I feel they're indespensible in a reef tank; I'm sure most would agree.

like misst said you didn't mention a clean up krew so i would get something to help with the mess left by the fish being crabs(blue leg hermit, red leg hermit, emerald crab for hair and bubble algae), snails

[envy]

my clown picks on my gramma all the time thats why i said it would not be a good choice. some type of sand sifting goby if you want a fish. aquarium designs get them in from time to time i think they said its called a diamond goby it sifts the sand a bit thats my choice being you didn't mention a clean up krew or anything to help sift sand

[copperband]

well i have a cleaner shrimp and three hermit crabs and i was only going to sell 2 of the engineer gobies and then get some new fish but know one seems to want any engineer gobies

[MissT]

all i posted were reef safe fish like he stated what are some reef safe fish that was what you missed:clown:

just be careful when someone that's new to the hobby asks what fish would be okay in their tank, and you start listing triggers, wrasses that need large tanks, and tangs for a 30 gallon

Royal Grammas are cool fish, and not all of them are as finicky as described above. I had one once that held his own with everything in my tank. Sand sifting gobies are good at stirring up the sand bed, not to mention kicking sand all over your corals in the bottom third of your tank...
Another option/suggestion for your tank size would be an orchid pseudochromis. they can hold their own with what you've got and have interesting behaviors.

[envy]

imo i think pseudos can hold there own with just about any fish

[envy]

try selling to awana pets they buy most things off of people being fish and inverts not to sure about corals and they pay cash just call to double check and make sure its the owner i think he is african american

[envy]

don't hurt to call and find out worth a shot

[copperband]

well texuniverreefer is most likely going to get them we might do a trade and i have had a psuedochromis before im reall not sure what fish im going to get for my tank after i sell or trade these guys but atleast i will have one engineer goby so thats ok but i will miss the other two but you have to do whats best for the fish

[envy]

good luck with trade and with fish searching

[copperband]

thanks i need all the help i can get i mean its so hard to tell what u want i mean i want tangs and all that stuff but no money for a bigger tank so ya

[envy]

not to sure if true but i have heard from diffrent people that the fishes will not grow the size indicated in books will grow about half the size or 3/4 the size said in books.
should probably start a new thread

[copperband]

ya