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Richard
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 03:30 AM
This is an article from Sea Sheperd Conservation Society. It's so inaccurate it's funny...well almost funny.



08/14/2007 printer-friendly version



Enslaving the World's Reef Fish


Commentary by Sea Shepherd Advisory Board Member Robert Wintner


A Brief History of Some Efforts to Date (August, '07) to Stop the Grab-***, Free-For-All Extraction Now Decimating World Reefs.


Here's where we've been & where we might go:

The Main Hawaiian Islands now have "ghost" reefs off many leeward shores, with healthy coral but very few fish-not a single yellow tang can be found on most reefs, where they schooled by the hundreds 10 years ago-by the thousands 30-50 years ago. Water degradation & silting from development account for some decline in fish populations, but the biggest cause is massive extraction by aquarium collectors (& gill netters). Aquarium collectors take 8-10 million "ornamental" fish from Hawaii reefs annually with no regulation and no limit to their take.

For years the state's official number was ½ million fish taken per year, including 300,000 yellow tangs. Dan Polhemus, State Administrator of the Division of Aquatic Resources (DAR), sat down in early August with a key panel, including the biggest aquarium fish exporter in Hawaii, who provided accurate catch stats. The "official" take now reflects the grim reality.

Milolii is the last working fishing village in Hawaii-electricity by generator, water by catchments-way south on the Kona coast, and a steady target for collectors from Kailua Kona, some of whom say that they collect with care, but once they get to a reef, they collect all the fish, because "less scrupulous" collectors would only gather them tomorrow anyway. This is the grab-***, free-for-all & crime against nature now prevailing in Hawaii. The Milolii community feels violated by aquarium collectors strip-mining reefs after generations of balanced management by Hawaiians. Milolii supports any campaign to rid the near shore of this mad extraction. Their voice is Hawaiian, with significant influence.

The Kona Coast (about 150 miles) does have an FRA (Fish Replenishment Area) system that has facilitated some recovery of more than half the 15 or so heavily collected species. New fads and appetites in Asia & the U.S. may pre-empt this marginal recovery. I.e. the Beijing government now promotes home aquaria to its growing class of rich people: wall-to-wall-to-wall aquaria for mature adult "ornamental" reef fish-brood stock. The trend values volume and custom made tanks of leaded crystal glass. Sumner Redstone, CEO of Viacom, told a PBS interviewer last year that he went out on one of those boats they have there in Hawaii where you can look at the fish, and by God his home aquarium wrapping 3 walls has "more fish than they got in all Hawaii." This old man out of touch with nature is more the rule than the exception and illustrates this pathetic trend. Consider Michael Dell's monster fish tank on the Big Island, along with support techs named Steve or Elaine who speak Hindi, next time you ponder a Dell computer.

Worse yet is the growing appetite in Asia for big yellow tangs-to EAT!

The FRA system on the Kona coast alternates no-collecting zones with plunder zones. Plunder zone populations are up as result of overflow from FRA zones. But FRA constraints apply only to aquarium collectors-bag netters can still catch the 40-year-old brood tangs for export to Asia, where ogres under bridges pay top dollar for this latest "delicacy." Waning supply spurs demand. Eating the last of a species appears to be a particular honor in Asia. A single consolation is that ciguatera toxin is present in most reef organisms & transmitted by ingestion up the food chain. Ciguatera doesn't hurt sea creatures but will disabuse humans of their reefy appetite with 2 years of itching & then death. Have a nice day. Ciguatera incidence in humans is up dramatically on all islands, especially Kauai. FYI, ulua (jack crevalle) is a popular food fish that is also an apex predator & primary carrier.

Of greater concern on the Kona coast is the continuing disappearance of 8 species of reef fish, collected to invisibility. Are they endangered? Who knows? Official status would take years and millions of dollars to establish. We who visit the reefs often see no more anthius, flame angel, bandit angel, dragon moray, Hawaiian turkeyfish, blue stripe butterfly or Tinker's butterfly. Quickly going is the teardrop butterfly.

Most hateful is that 3 of the 10 reef fish most demanded by aquarists are the ornate butterfly, Moorish idol and cleaner wrasse. A cleaner wrasse needs 35-40 fish to clean, in order to survive. They die in aquaria. Ornate butterfly and Moorish idol are coralvores who will starve to death in 30 days, who are sold & shipped out with a 15-day live guarantee. Meanwhile, a reef with no cleaner wrasse will soon suffer parasites and disease. Yet demand is on the rise.

Economically speaking, a yellow tang lives to 45 years on the reef with repeated revenue by amusing those tourists who like to stare at the colorful fish while sucking air through a plastic tube. The same yellow tang will die in a tank at 2 years max-if the tank is perfectly maintained, and if the tang or other fish came from Hawaii. All reef fish from Indonesia, the Philippines, Andaman Sea, South China Sea et al now have compromised liver function from residual cyanide used over the years in fish collection. Any fish coming from those waters will die in a few months to 2 years in captivity. Veteran collectors in those areas have yellow eyes, jaundiced from exposure to cyanide.

The economic disjunction is staggering. Aquarium collectors here generate $20 million. Water-based tourism generates a billion dollars annual, or 500 to 1. Worse yet, a yellow tang wholesales to the mainland for $3, where it retails at $45-60. Hawaii gets the chump change, which, historically, is for chumps. 1-2 more adult tangs will die en route for each surviving tang.

Richard
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 03:33 AM
continued...



At the Hawaii Aquatics Conference in December, 2006, Dr. Ivor Williams delivered DAR's official line on FRA success, beginning with the "official" stats, that 500,000 "ornamental" fish are sold annual though "we can't be certain of accuracy on these numbers." He went on to discuss the 6 or 8 "species of concern," those species still MIA, though not officially extinct till Federal moolah can pay for scientific studies. He closed by saying "we don't really know where these species of concern are going or why, but we're happy to report that we still have trophic balance on our reefs." Trophic balance means distribution and balance of species.

But yellow tangs are herbivores, and Hawaii reefs are choking with limu, both native and invasive. It's tough to call bull**** on a good guy who is a good scientist, but the moment was of record, so I called: "Rather than saying that we can't be certain of accuracy on the stats, would we not be more precise in saying that we can be certain of inaccuracy on the stats?"

"Well, er, uh, yes! We could say that."

"We now have evidence that 8-10 million aquarium fish are shipping out of Hawaii every year, mostly herbivores. It doesn't take a rocket or marine scientist to get in the water & see how badly our reefs are decimated."

No comment.

"Which means that we do know where these species of concern went. They went away in Styrofoam coolers with little air stones inside."

This diatribe was not a victory but illustrates the difficult process of changing public perception-from what special interests want it to be, to the truth based in reality. Dr. Williams & I had a nice chat after, & he is now far more apprised of the reality we perceive.

NO LOCAL or State government currently regulates species export outside the CITES list or the Endangered Species act. All species are fair game for unlimited trade if they don't appear on those lists-exotic reptiles or primates from Indonesia or a casual container of parrots from South America. Besides Endangered Species & CITES, local, regional or state constraints on wildlife export are virtually non-existent around the world.

In recent years the collectors wiped out the hermit crab population around Oahu, taking & selling 300,000 hermits @ 11 cents! For gross revenue of $33,000 a species was eliminated. Reintroduction would cost about $40 million & a few decades of studies. Then they went for feather duster worms to meet aquarium demand. Feather dusters live in the rocks; catching them is easy, once you smash the rocks.

Meanwhile, the biggest "ornamental" fish exporter in Hawaii sees the writing on the wall-that his successful business will soon founder for lack of inventory. He now sends 3 boats regular to Christmas Island for flame angelfish-electric red with 4 black bars. None are left in Hawaii, though world demand for flame angels is 10,000 fish per day. Flame angels wholesale @ $40, though this exporter says his most valuable asset is his reputation for selling fish handled with care, from reefs never exposed to cyanide. He said would-be competitors in Honolulu saw his success and went to Christmas Island to bag thousands of fish that all died on the way home or in poorly managed garage tanks. All the dead fish were shipped out to aquarists, who were then told that the loss was theirs, who then had no recourse but to order new fish elsewhere.

The 25 exporters operating in Hawaii are invisible, buying and shipping from unmarked warehouses. The 8-10 million "ornamentals" taken from Hawaii are annual. Collectors began at 20', then went to 40' and then 60'. Now they dive to 80'-at night everywhere but Kona.

The challenge upon us is to expose the crime and the devastation. It has gone unreported for years and now threatens reefs worldwide. Aquarium hobbyists in the U.S. are mostly male, 30-50. We are told that most are indifferent to reef death or alternatives. They want wild-caught fish, not captive bred, knowing that the wild fish will only survive 6-24 months. The movie Finding Nemo spawned crushing demand for clownfish, the marine species most easily bred in captivity, yet captive-bred clownfish don't swim as excitedly as wild-caught. So pet shops now promote new shipments of wild-caught clownfish, swimming excitedly. The Indonesia government last year increased its aquarium research budget 5-fold in the captive breeding of fancy goldfish, the bright orange guys with the gin gut, bug eyes & 3 tails. Freshwater tanks allow a new dimension to hobbyists in the many beautiful plants that support other tank creatures too, like algae eaters and scavengers with no effect on reefs. Public exposure of the facts will be a vital component in deconstructing the aquarium collecting industry.

We must 1) stay on point, avoiding rhetoric or emotion & 2) keep a soft touch-no hostility. We want to convert home hobbyists, not get them ****ed off in a name-calling exchange. We want to shame them gently. I think of the internet pedophiles lured into the kitchen where the MSNBC cameras are rolling so the world can see them-they hang their heads, knowing their appetite is so wicked. Aquarium keeping is similarly shameful, but the perpetrators must be treated with understanding and help toward rehabilitation.

The current tsunami of green reverence is tricky, with every money monger showing a pulse calling himself green-including the aquarium industrialists in their multi-billion dollar pursuit, stripping every reef in the world while calling for "appropriate" or "sustainable" techniques. The next big show is the Marine Aquarium Council National Association (MACNA) in Pittsburg, September 14-16, 2007, where presenters with credentials will make hobbyists feel good about what they're doing. Can you be there to express a sentiment of a different nature?

Let us know if you can help otherwise by sending your name, address, email & area of expertise or willingness to reefdefense@snorkelbob.com

All ideas, insights, connections, commitments and comments are welcome. Thank you for jumping in. Please talk this up, especially when you see reef fish in tanks anywhere. I'm not okay. You're not okay. This is not okay.

Hail Atlantis!



Robert Wintner is the nom de plume (et la guerre) of Snorkel Bob, Himself. He is on the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society Board of Advisors and also serves as Executive Director of The Snorkel Bob Foundation.

Jeff
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 07:00 AM
WOW! the compare pedophiles to aquariest is pretty ingenious. it makes what could be a decent, but incorrect argument, into a complete bit of trash with that one statement.

brewercm
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 08:18 AM
Next thing you know these activist will be telling us that we are causing global warming.

edawgm
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:05 AM
Next thing you know these activist will be telling us that we are causing global warming.

Are we not???:rofl:

txstateunivreefer
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:09 AM
some arguments are correct while others are outragously overstated. yellow tang living 45 years i doubt it. and i think that if the author had something to say to us here at maast he would be talking to the wrong folks seeing how one of our main foundations is conservation and education that way the lives of fish are not lost due to ignorance. the statement about the live span of of a yellow tang in captivity is crap as well. i think is just another person who found a soap box and wanted to stand on it. their source/ consultant would also have alot more validity if he was from the MARINE instead of AQUATIC. i think that his article is based mostly upon opinon and ignorance and a bit of stupidity as well. there is a point in his article where i have just had enough of it. it reminds me of when i got a three hour lecture from a sierra club member gave me while kayaking in the marsh against duck hunting. her argument was based upon her feelings and the ducks, while mine was based on sport and wildlife managment. oh and the argument above about freshwater being better, its people like her that end up throwing exotic species into rivers and end up displacing or engangering other species. its funny the cycles tree huggers start -- dont want to kill my apple snail so ill throw it in the san marcos river, snail has paracite intermediate centrocestus formusanus, a worm that attaches to fish gills for nutrients, it chooses the host of the fountain darter, sincer darter's lack a swim bladder for boyancy they end up drowning because the worm sufficates them. as many know the fountian darter is now endangered and the THs are now trying to save the animal that through their actions they endangered. i step off the soap box and call.... NEXT

Drzy
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:15 AM
This was written by Snorkel Bob?? That guy is all over Hawaii. I was there for my honeymoon this year, he's got tour boats and shops set up all over the place.

Two years max for a yellow tang, huh? Looks like the Fonz (my yellow tang) is breaking a record! :D At least now I know my tank must be "perfectly maintained."

Texreefer
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:24 AM
So, my reef is about to die because I have no cleaner wrasse and my yellow tang is going to kick the bucket in a couple of months

erikharrison
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:30 AM
I don't know how long Barry had mine before I inherited them, but 2 years is a joke!

alton
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:38 AM
So Richard is this the reason why you Mark got out of the business to save our planet and stop contributing to us reef robbers? I can see the head lines now " CB Pets closes there doors to take a stand and help stop the ripping off of our Reefs".
(This message was brought to you by a disgruntled ex-customer of CB Pets who still has not gotten over the fact they closed there doors!)

RayAllen
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 09:57 AM
LOL................ what next

jaustiniv
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 10:14 AM
This article is a bunch of liberal media junk. All this is proving is everybody is trying to jump on the Al Gore bandwagon of we are killing everything just because we can. It is just like Barbra Streisand talking about water conservation when her New York compound uses $22,000 worth of water a month to keep her yard green. I can go on and on about all this stuff.

We are about education and not destruction, i see more concern and care for the reefs here than i have seen any where else.

Bill S
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 10:41 AM
It is "funny" how transparent some people are. While he makes some good points - his BS is where his total message falls apart. "..2 years of itching & then death. Have a nice day!". is not only "wrong" (as "incorrect"), but WRONG! And on and on.

Self serving guy? I wonder... http://www.snorkelbob.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/?E+scstore

erikharrison
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 10:57 AM
From a technical standpoint: "Consider Michael Dell's monster fish tank on the Big Island, along with support techs named Steve or Elaine who speak Hindi, next time you ponder a Dell computer."

This statement is false, at least IME. Everytime I call I get people from the southern states. It could be because I am not calling for a home PC, rather business.

brewercm
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 11:00 AM
Nice to see that such a defender of the reef is in the business of sending the exact people out who do more damage to the reefs (maybe not willingly) than any reef keeper could probably ever think of doing.
Only one word to describe this type of person, HYPOCRITE. I'm sure he thinks that through his little speeches and so forth that he feels that it vindicates his guilt of making money off of the damage he does through his sales though. Not that I have anything against diving either, just that one single inconsiderate diver will do more damage than I could ever think of.

brewercm
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 11:04 AM
As far as the tech support thing goes. Many of the outsourcing is starting to come back to the US due to the large complaints that the companies were beginning to get about not being able to communicate with the support person on the other end of the phone. This is a great example of supply and demand. The people were making there voices heard and many by stating they would change businesses over this major inconvenience to them. The companies listened and started making changes back. Have they all done so, no but you are quickly starting to see it happen in the market places.

Richard
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 10:40 PM
So Richard is this the reason why you Mark got out of the business to save our planet and stop contributing to us reef robbers?

No it wasn't to save the reefs it was to save the crickets. We sent half a million innocent crickets to their death, we just couldn't bear the guilt anymore. That's why our new organization Crickets Really Are Precious will work to stop the slaughter of these wonderful insects. Please help support C.R.A.P. by sending in your donations. You can adopt your very own cricket for only $49.99 per month and recieve a free picture of your very own rescued cricket as well as a tape of it talking which you can play all night long to feel like it is right there with you.

MissT
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 10:55 PM
Know what I got out of all that?
Man, I want a lead crystal tank!!! LOL

beareef19
Fri, 9th Nov 2007, 11:20 PM
Approx 2 1/2--3 years is how long I had one of them Eric soooooo I guess his time is up.
Barry

mathias
Sat, 10th Nov 2007, 03:42 PM
I read the article and I really am interested to know true numbers of how many fish are harvested for the fish tank trade.....

NaCl_H2O
Sat, 10th Nov 2007, 11:44 PM
The only "Hint" of useful info in this thread is ...


Did CB Pets really close?

brewercm
Mon, 12th Nov 2007, 11:17 AM
The only "Hint" of useful info in this thread is ...


Did CB Pets really close?

Unfortunately yes and as you can see from Richards last post he has way too much time on his hands now.

Zoofan
Mon, 12th Nov 2007, 02:38 PM
I have a friend who has a couple of yellow tangs which, when I last checked where over 12 years old. I don't doubt there needs to be more control though.

Mike

NaCl_H2O
Mon, 12th Nov 2007, 02:44 PM
Unfortunately yes and as you can see from Richards last post he has way too much time on his hands now.

Well, that is a terrible loss to the hobby! Richard and Mark "Did it right", which is probably why they gave up :(

Sure am glad I didn't drive out there last weekend:blushing:

Richard/Mark - thank you for your many years serving us reefers :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

So, who are y'all hacking code for now?

Richard
Mon, 12th Nov 2007, 03:31 PM
Unfortunately yes and as you can see from Richards last post he has way too much time on his hands now.

So I guess that means your not gonna give me $50 to adopt a cricket LOL.




So, who are y'all hacking code for now?

Mark's doing .net stuff for some medical software company.

I'm unemployed with too much time on my hands. Trying to stay that way until January but I don't know if my wife will let me get away with it.

Fernando
Thu, 15th Nov 2007, 02:43 PM
So really the CB Pets store close and is no any chance to re-open in the near future? I was there yeaterday and for my surprise the store was empty.

This is a real lost for the hobby. The 90% of my fish was bought there and now that I'm setting up a new tank is going to be very difficult to find someone else that sell after a quarantine period healthy species.

brewercm
Thu, 15th Nov 2007, 04:49 PM
I'm not positive and Richard can chime in but I think that even CB had discontinued the quarantine period. I'd imagine it just wasn't very cost effective for a store to do.

alton
Thu, 15th Nov 2007, 05:23 PM
Yea sometimes we are our worst enemy because instead of asking is the fish fat, happy and eating we ask how much. I am not harpooning anyone it is just our nature as humans to be cheap. Even though they didn't quarantine fish as much at the end they never sold a sick fish to my knowledge. Over the years with shopping with them I never lost a fish that came from there store including a juvenile imperator that is now around seven inches long, fat, and happy. Still think Richard you need to move to Schertz and open a store on 3009 between IH35 and FM78. Mark can open a beer store next door.