Pictures Not Needed

[AquaDen]

Pictures Not Needed

[jroescher]

Old pictures of my fuge....
http://johnroescher.com/Sump.aspx

[stoneroller]

Hey John, that's cool. I liked how you "framed" it out.

[AquaDen]

I dont have a fuge but you can see lots here

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=refugium&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

Since you have one of the most AWESOME reefs, what are you running for filtration? Any pictures of your filter set up?
Thanks, Gary

[LoneStar]

Its a few pages into it, but there are pictures of his setup here:

http://www.maast.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=22566

[LoneStar]

Gravity fuge upstairs! Whats a few holes in the floor joists anyways.... :innocent

[caferacermike]

Just an old one I had around of my 75g.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g48/caferacermike/100_2540.jpg

These are the plans I have for my 400g that will be set up in the fall. (I have everything but thw lights now.)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g48/caferacermike/sump-1.jpg

[5.0Stang]

Love the skimmer Cafe! My ghetto fuge is just a 20gal tall w/ alot of rock rubble and PODS out the wazoo!

[dfowlks]

Hey Caferacermike I like the plans with the live rock with the coraline algae specs. Sweeeeet!!!!!!!

[Ram_Puppy]

mike, aren't chillers supposed to have a foot of open space around them so they don't overheat?

[caferacermike]

That's not enclosed. The skimmer's foot print is 24"x24"x 62". My chiller has the same footprint. The chiller and skimmer will be outside the stand next to the tank with the skimmer mounted on a stand above the chiller, that way it can gravity feed back into the sump.

[Ram_Puppy]

cool.

:)

[hobogato]

hmm.... so why are you asking for pics of filtration again gary????

[LoneStar]

Hummm I wonder if its b/c of this:
http://www.cincyreef.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8888

Wow :angry

I'd better bite my tounge before something bad is said <_<



But I won't. How dare you scam people into thinking that your tank is being represtented as someone elses hard work and investment. And to come looking for more equipment photos from other systems to upsell yours? I hope the potential buyer drove down to see your tank and left with all his money still in hand. I hope you know your reputation here on MAAST is now worthless and hopefully word will spread on Cincinati Reefkeepers Society also.

And if it was ME that was misrepresented.....

[Bill S]

Looks like he's editing posts...

[AquaDen]

Let me clear this up. I did NOT scam anyone!! I apologized to Brian and Ace. This whole thing was to target one person at CincyReef. This person (I will not name him) went through the trouble of tracking me down to Texas and finding out where I was from and so on. He thought I was competing with his business?? So he emailed me to ask where I was from and so on just to have my posts deleted?? I had never done anything wrong to him. I have heard MANY bad things about this person and his "gang" and how they have the best of the best on everything. I was out to prove him wrong.

After I was answering all of his questions I started to think about why the personal questions??? Then I received 461 emails of where him or his "gang" solicited my email for absolutely no reason at all.

This was not meant to go this far at all!!! I apologize to everyone that I have involved for nor reason.

As you can see these people even tracked down the blogs of where I lived in the past and took the time to look through pictures posted months ago?? May be I should leave it alone, he is more psych than I thought?

[Richard]

Here's a pic of my kelp fuge that you can use...

[AquaDen]

Again, a big understanding that has went too far! I was actually looking for pictures of a fuge for the set up in my basement. If I were not being honest about that then I would have just googled refugium and found MANY. I just wanted some opinions from some great reefers.

I dont think the sharks would fit in my tank

[cpreefguy]

Richard, do you have a picture of that new Whale Shark plankton filter that you got?

[AquaDen]

No reason to post that picture, I have one on order.

[caferacermike]

Not to get the thread locked down but my girl was having a laugh reading this bull when she asked when this thread was started, as in what time of day and the date. If you go back and notice that this thread was started on the same day about 15 minutes after the "Aquaden" reply. That is way to ironic for me. Keep in mind that the time stamp at MAAST is about 6 hours behind.

[cpreefguy]

I Loooooooooooove fish drama :wacko

[AquaDen]

Mike,
In all honesty it was meant to me a joke and I involved people that I should not have, I apologize for that. The sump issue was somthing I was trying to put together. Yes, this is all going on at the same time I am setting up my system so it does seem a little ironic. If I wanted pictures of sumps to add to the CincyReef post all I had to so was find some pictures. As you can see I did not list any that people showed me on here, even from the links that were attached to the post. As a matter of fact I did not list a picture when I said that I would.

I am responsible for my own actions but I had to prove that one person was trying to cause all of these problems. I proved it at other peoples expense, sorry.

Mike,
Do a google search for refugium, I could have used several thousand pictures if that was what I was looking for. I could have used pictures from some of the best tanks in the world, but I did not because I wanted to get opinions on realistic thoughts that were in my budget and abilities to make. Oh yeah, allow a little more air space for the chiller, in time it will overheat, I know this from experience.

[AquaDen]

There should not be so much drama, its a hobby not politics!!

[cpreefguy]

there are politics in everything ;)

[AquaDen]

As I can see! But in my opinion such a great hobby like reef keeping should not political? It should be enjoyable. Its a hobby that is involved in peoples families and homes. Leave the politics at work and enjoyment for hobbies. I guess that is my outlook on it.

[caferacermike]

For the last time, the chiller will not be enclosed. It is open on four sides. For those that cannot grasp the concept, that is not a picture taken with my Kodak camera of my finished set up. I know, I know, it's hard to believe that awesome picture is only Microsoft Paint. It's not really set up like that yet. Just a bunch of stuff in a rented 10'x 15' storage shed waiting until we move. I promise to provide pictures at a later date of the set up and finished system so you all can then tell me that the chiller is to close to the wall. If you look closely I don't even have the chiller piped in just yet.

[Richard]

Richard, do you have a picture of that new Whale Shark plankton filter that you got?

Sorry Sean, that setup did not work out the way I planned. Stupid whale shark jumped out of the tank. Next time I'll use a glass top. Here's a pic I TOOK of it on my living room floor (sorry I didn't have time to vacuum LOL). Oh, and as you can see my kids were so upset they wouldn't move out of the way. Poor Habib was so upset he started to take a &$%#.

[hobogato]

politics - to me the business of deceit. who brought the politics into reefkeeping this time?

[AquaDen]

Thats good quality! Therefore I thought it might have been taken with a Canon. I know the Texas heat is getting a little extreme this time of year, it would be a good time to pipe in the chiller. Just joking of course!! Looks like a great set up, watch out I may post the picture on CincyReef as one of my own??

I have the same light set up as you have pictured, I went with (3) L3 Mini LumenArcs with 400 watt CoralVue ballast. It puts out some extreme light. I looked around to find the best light set up and I do believe the LumenArcs are the way to go. I have a PFO ballast that I hooked up to the center light while the other two were CoralVue. I must say, the CoralVue ballasts must push more power bacause they were much brighter and cheaper!

[caferacermike]

Yeah I think I saw that for sale too. You didn't get my Paypal? That's why I drew them over the picture of the tank. Dang I thought they were in the mail by now.

[AquaDen]

I did! I brought politics into reefkeeping this time. Because, I was being attacked for no reason and I apologize. I must say this is the first time I have ever and will never do it again, its not worth the time and energy. I went about it the wrong way. Maast is a great site, unlike some others!

[AquaDen]

Mike, I got the Paypal. I am a scam artist, you will not be getting anything in the mail. Good try though!

[hobogato]

i have one more thing to say and then i will be leaving this thread in the past.

it is one thing to admit when you are wrong and apologize. it is another to apologize and then rationalize why you did something you knew was wrong.

[AquaDen]

90 percent of the time people do things that they know are wrong but do it in revenge or for other reasons unknown I knew it was wrong before doing it and done it to prove something. I did not do it trying to involve others. It ended up that way but was not meant to be at the expense of others. Am I the only person that has done something wrong knowing it was wrong? If this is the worst thing that someone could possibly do then the world would be a perfect place. Has anyone else done something worse than carryout an act such as I did to prove a fact? I did not cause any bodily harm or commit anything illegal in the eyes of the state of Texas or Kentucky. I am ashamed and have the integrity to admit it. What else can be done at this point?

[caferacermike]

I'm still trying to figure out what you were proving? If they weren't pics of your tanks were you bragging them and saying they were of your tanks?

[AquaDen]

It all started with me posting some ORA frags. The guy had a fit to the point of the board went a head a deleted the posted because he whined so badly. During the process this person was emailing me asking personal information as if he needed a new friend or something when in fact he was stabbing me in the back. What it all comes down to is that he is a coral vendor and the competition of nice ORA frags that I had really ~deleted~ him off!

What I was trying to prove was that someone was trying to have every post that I put on deleted. So if I put a tank on that was a personal item by the rules of the site it should not be deleted. So I put the tank on and right away this person contacted the board and demanded it be removed. With me posting such a quality tank I was able to find out who he was. As soon as I found out I stated that the tank was sold so that I would not get any real inquires about it. I mislead some people along the way but I done what I had to do. I know it sounds completely stupid in which it is! But I had to find out who was causing me all this trouble and soliciting my email for absolute no reason except for the fact that he did not want competition.

I never bragged that the tank was mine. In fact I ask the board several times to delete the post once I stated it was sold, once I figured out the facts of who was doing all of this. The email thing really ~deleted~ me off and is what made me determined to find out the facts.

edited by C.Mydas

[AquaDen]

What was copyrighted?? I am not trying to be an ~deleted~ but the copyright expired 2004. And I have an email from you about 6 month ago. You gave me the links to your photobucket and said I can use any pictures that I would like. Not illegal. I can post that email if you would like. My wife in a fourth year law student, I would not be doing anything illegal.

Again, not trying to be a ~deleted~ just stating I done nothing illegal.

edited by C.Mydas

[AquaDen]

Brian,
I did apologize and tried to leave it at that. Ace continued to send me PM's demanding that I was to do this and that. I done it make it right and stated that he was not satisified with my apology and he wanted for me to give credit where credit was due. He wanted me to post his name to the pictures that were his??? So, I must say it was left alone until that point. Now I have just been answering questions trying to explain why I posted the pictures even though my explainations do not mean it was the right thing to do.

I realize that the pictures were taken in 2007 and not 2004. When posted to a public site the copyright goes to the copyright of the site which expired in 2004. If you want to copyright your pictures please send your information to the address listed below along with paying the fees.

I am not trying to be a smartass about what I done wrong. I am a grown man and admitted it, I do not need a slap on the hand. I do want to apologize and leave it at that in which I did. Just trying to state I done nothing illegal. As you stated, I was just giving someone what he deserved. You are absolutely correct, I should have ask but did not and that is what I am apologizing for.

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[AquaDen]

I have explained and apologized MANY times to everyone that I involved. I will leave it at that.

[LoneStar]

As you stated, I was just giving someone what he deserved.



Ahh but life is a 2 way street. You now see that one action leads to another. Now if you do not like the feedback you are getting, you should have been prepared to see what would have come because of this ;)

[hobogato]

Brian,
Ace continued to send me PM's demanding that I was to do this and that.

as far as i am concerned, my involvement in this incident is over. please do not refer to me in any future posts about this mess.

now, if you really do need help coming up with a design for your filtration for your new tank, ill be glad to help ya with it ;)

[tony]

im not going to get into this drama but a photo is copyrighted as soon as the shutter is released by the person who released it. photo copyrights do NOT have to be registered.

more info:

http://www.editorialphoto.com/copyright/primer.asp

highlight:

As photographers, the moment you press the shutter you have taken a copyrightable image. At the moment of capture the work is copyrighted. In most cases the photographer is the copyright holder. The exceptions are employees where the company owns the work, and photographers who have signed a work for hire agreement

[AquaDen]

I am done with it as well! I will not involve names again. I take full responsibility for my mistake and apologize to everyone I involved. And I will not use the word deleted again, promise!

I am not sure how to do the quotes... So, LoneStar you are correct, for every action there is a reaction. And, I have taken full responsibility for my actions.

[brewercm]

Thank you for that clarification that was apparently being missed about photography. That's where these starletts end up in so much trouble later in life after having those pictures taken they wish haden't been earlier on (with the exception of photos taken without your knowledge). Unless a signed contract is completed at the time the photographs are taken giving ownership to someone else, all images are the personal belonging of the photographer with certain "rights" to be given to the customer.

Maybe something everyone should remember when having your photo taken is that ownership of that photo belongs to the person on the other side of the camera to use as they please unless otherwise written down in contract.

[AquaDen]

We already went through that. I had unspecified permission on a legal document. OK, I am done and I am sure everyone else is as well.