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discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 12:50 PM
Okay, I'm probably bringing up an old topic but is there a possibility I could have too little phosphates?

Here is the story. I got a new Phosban reactor with ROWAphos media a week or two ago. Before I threw the reactor on my system I tested for phosphates with my new Salifert Phos test kit. I got a reading <0.03ppm, although it was hard to exactly make out the color. It pretty much looked completely clear. This was on the normal test not the super high resolution test they say you can do on it. So, I install the reactor anyway to see what it does. Well, just in the past few days I've noticed any hair type algae patches that I had are turning clear and grey looking, like they are dead or dying, which is what I wanted for them to go away. Well another thing that I noticed was my coralline algae was turning more white as well and I think there has been some significant die back of my coralline.

Another thing to note is I'm still tweaking my Ca reactor. I've got a American Marine pH controller on it. The media inside the reactor is not ARM but it looks like a very similar composition of shells and aragonite just larger pieces of them. When I first really noticed my coralline bleaching I found my alkalinity had went from a dKH of 8.15 to 11.80 in 2 days. I've heard that coralline can be sensitive to high amount of CO2 in the water, I'm wondering if that is also a cause since I'm sure more CO2 was accidently dosed to the system during that alk spike.

Something else, the coralline in shaded reagions look fine. Like under rock ledges and stuff like that. Not all coralline subject to strong lighting is dead but it does look whiter. My lighting hasn't changed as far as I know. I've got a 250W SE Hamilton 14000K that I've had since probably July, which I'm looking at replacing very soon. The bulb is not cracked and my acros and other sps and lps are doing great.

The test date of the 11.80dKH was on the 7th and my most recent set of readings was on the 9th and here they are:

2:50pm
Salinity 34.2ppt, still raising slowly
Alk 8.8dKH
Mg 1275ppm
pH 8.03
Ca 435ppm

Haven't tested phosphates because I'm positive it's the same or less than when I first tested it. I do not have any fish and I feed my sps & lps very sparingly. This is my 37gal I'm talking about. I've also got a Nautilus TE skimmer running on this system as well.

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 01:00 PM
A cool gadget that I've bought but waiting to arrive is a Project Star Spectrometer.

http://www.cpo.com/images/products/em-spectrometer.jpg

It refracts light given off by a source and allows you to view the light spectrum given off. I think everyone should get one of these because as a bulb gets older I'm sure some of the colors originally emitted by the bulb are less intense or possibly gone.

I'm not sure if this is relavent to my main topic but I'm wanting to look at my aging Hamilton bulb and see what colors it's making and what it is not. Maybe the coralline isn't getting the light it wants or possibly there has been a color shift in the bulb making the coralline turn whiter, keeping the shaded coralline still dark.

Bill S
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 01:12 PM
Phosphates CAN be a limiting growth factor. My tank was phosphate starved for a while.

How much was the Spectrometer?

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 01:48 PM
Found one on ebay around $13. Otherwise they are around $20-30, I think.

thedude
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 02:46 PM
Phosphate is absolutely a big factor in coral growth. The phosphate calcium bond is the easiest (less energy used) way for a coral to take up calcium. Without phosphate, calcium begins to bind to other things or itself. To break these bonds corals have to use much more energy.

Unfortunately, the only real way to test organic phosphate down to that level is to use the Merck ket (tunze or Deltec kits retails for around 130 bucks).

Discus your alk and calcium look much better and I actually run my tank in the 7.5-8 dkh range. Do you have any idea exactly what the media you're using is? Also, your magnesium tests about 100 points low so bringing that up with some dolomite media or a supplement would help.

Hope that helps,

John

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 03:07 PM
Yes, that does help. I think I'll turn the Phosban reactor off for a while and see how things do.

I was also thinking I needed to raise Mg. I'll fix that problem in a few days.

Thanks!

thedude
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 03:36 PM
If you need to test your phosphate tested I do have a kit so PM me for details. It's probably not a good idea to turn it off, just let a very slow flow go through it.

On Magnesium, dolomite crystals (from zeovit or marine fauna) are a great way to keep the levels steady. To bring it up, I recommend Tropic Marin's magnesium supplement. Kent and Seachem both use a labrotory grade magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) but there still is no evidence as to what increased sulfate levels do to a reef.

John

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 03:53 PM
John, very awesome of you. I may ask to test my phosphate soon.

So, do you guys think it may be phosphate that is causing my coralline algae to lighten and die under intense light and stay healthy and dark in the shaded unlight regions?

thedude
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 04:02 PM
That's probably just a light related issue IMO. Coralline also seems to wax and wane at certain times in a tanks life with no real cause or reason.

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 04:12 PM
That would make sense.

That brings up a new question: What is the best 250W 10,000K SE bulb that people like?

thedude
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 04:22 PM
Coralvue Reeflux 10k here if you have actinic supplementation, 12k if you don't. You lose approx 25% of the light energy going to the 12k but corals flourese a TON better than under the 10 with no supplementation. XM used to be a favorite too but their bulbs are far too inconsistent.

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 05:37 PM
Do Reeflux 250W bulbs do okay with generic pendant type magnetic ballasts?

Oh, and where could I get a new cheap one?

JimD
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 06:33 PM
The 10K Reeflux bulb performs much better on an electronic ballast and seems to like the new style CoralVue or an Icecap best. Checkout Frederick at www.coralreefbazaar.com for pricing, plus hes local.

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 06:46 PM
Awesome Jim!

That samoensis is growing more and more over it's mounting rock. It's looking good!

JimD
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 06:51 PM
Excellent! Hows about a pic? You knew Id ask that didnt ya!? lol

discuspro
Thu, 11th Jan 2007, 08:02 PM
I did, you have telepathic powers don't you!

I'll take a pic tomorrow, but it's a stroke of luck to get closeups like my rainbow monti pic. It is staying a little brown at the moment, it'll probably like a new bulb.

So, Coralvue has a dimmable 250W ballast. Are they any good?

Also, they have a dual 250W ballast. Is that one any good?

Lastly, does Fredrick have any discounts? I need to get my charter membership on MAAST for once.