Pink Hammer , and Frogspawn...please look!!!

[jrnannery]

motohead has a bunch of stuff for sale on this link: http://www.maast.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=214740&st art=0

If you guys want some of it, I am going to drive to CC and pick it all up and drive back. The deal is, I don't know anything, really, about fragging these corals, so Kyle has volunteered to do the hard work.

Motohead is now willing to part with frags of the Frogspawn. I want to leave for CC early Sunday morning, before daybreak, so please let me know ASAP. I don't want to get stuck with the gasoline bill, so I have added a little bit to the purchase price to compensate me for fuel...as you can see, the prices you will pay are still enormously fair.

We can get a better rate on the 'spawn if we buy a lot of it, over say 25 heads total, so Luis, or any of the other store owners, same deal for everyone if we step up and buy a lot. Maybe this would be cheaper for you, too.

[prof]

I would like some of each. Let me know if you make it to CC.

I will also pick up for any Austin guys that are interested.

[blueboy]

oceancube was looking for some.

[jrnannery]

I have arranged the purchase of one large piece of the Pink Hammer, which should yield all of the heads we need to cover the orders, and motohead has graciously decided to go ahead and frag the Frogspawn. I would like to help him out by purchasing as much of the Frog as possible, so any of you Frogspawn fanatics out there, here is your chance.

I will be selling the Frogspawn for $16 per head, and the Pink Hammer will be going for $13.

Te beakdown so is as follows:
me - 2 Pink Hammer, 1 Frogspawn
Prof - 1 of each $29
Oceancube - 2 Frogspawn heads $26


Who else? Austin? San Marcos? Let's hear from you guys!

[jrnannery]

Her is the last update for this thread...

I received a call last night from motohead. He is now NOT willing to frag the Frogspawn again, so there will be no purchase made of that. The hammer I have already made purchase of, and it is sitting in SoLiD's tank now, awaiting retrieval.

I'm sorry to put everyone through this back and forth stuff. This was beyond my control. Hopefully this won't negatively affect the reputation I have developed with several of you...I did what I could.

So, please, those who were interested in the hammer, call me later tonight.

Richard
210-842-1842

[motohead]

Richard,
You may want to retract the part about me "not willing to frag the frogspawn again".That is simply untrue.I am completely willing to frag the Spawn.You had originally in a post or a pm somewhere stated a working price of 300 or so dollars.
As i have stated from the very beginning,I will not frag the Spawn for a small order.Which is what 12 heads is.Small.This piece is entirely too large to break up over 12 pieces.As soon as i try to do that it is most likely to break into unwanted pieces.
When i spoke to you on the phone the other night,You wanted me to sell you the heads for 10 dollars a piece.I told you i would sell them for more like 15 dollars and it had to be at least half or more of the Spawn.Then you send me a pm stating you can only do 12 heads at 10 dollars a head,the most you said was 12 per head.That is unacceptable to me.I won't do it.For you to come onto the board and act like i am unreasonable and that i backed out is also unacceptable.It is untrue.I stand by what i say i will do.What you are trying to do is is make me look like a jerk when it is actually your fault you are unable to purchase the Spawn.You do not have enough money at this time to make it worth it to me to break up the piece.You should have simply stated that.I certainly would not sell for ten to 12 dollars a head for a small order like that.Which is what i have said from the beginning.If you made committments to folks up there,then you should have gotten your ducks in a row before doing that.I sent you 2 pm's,stating that i would like to know the full money amount that you planned on purchasing,and i never got a response until you offered to buy 12 heads at ten bucks.Ridiculous.These heads are worth more than than that.But i was willing to let them go at a lower price in order to get rid of it.I have dealt with Sharkbait and Solid on here and i am sure they will chime in to say i have never done them wrong.Sorry Richard,not my style.
Mike

[jrnannery]

Ok, you're right. I retract the part about you not willing to frag the coral. Or do I?

Ok, you're very first post on the subject, and pretty much every one after that where anyone tried to nail down an exact figure, stated something along the lines of 40+ heads.

...I have some 8 to 10 head pieces of pink hammer4 pieces to be exact,a freakin huge 40+head of neon green tipped frogspawn...
That doesn't sound anything like a definitive number of heads. In, fact, you have never been able to give a complete accounting of the number of heads, so right off the bat, you're WRONG!!! In fact, I later asked you ...well, let it speak for itself:
Ok, you have three pieces of hammer with 8-10 heads each left, correct? Also, you have a piece of frogspawn with approximately 30 heads, correct? I need prices. Well, the answer to that was what? As follows:

Jr,i have already posted prices.100 dollars each for the hammers as previously posted.Solid will be fragging about a quarter of the spawn on Sunday.Truly,i cannot think of a price for the spawn,it is huge and gorgeous.So,3 hammers left and yes,about 30 heads of spawn.So, 40 + heads to start, then 1/4 of it is sold. Reasonably, that should leave around 30 some-odd heads.


As i have stated from the very beginning,I will not frag the Spawn for a small order.Which is what 12 heads is.Small.This piece is entirely too large to break up over 12 pieces.
Based on your quotes above, you had 40 something heads. At that point, 12 heads (my offer) is roughly 1/4 of the whole. I don't know about you, but to me, that is not small.


The next thing is price. You have NEVER published a price on this. In fact, read through the quotes above, and you will not find a price that YOU set. You were merely taking offers.
Thanks for taking the time to read and make offers in advance...
What the hell kind of a sale is that? What we talked about was a lower price for a significant piece of the spawn. Well, what do you consider significant (another uncertainty, by the way)? You NEVER truly set a minimum number of heads for you to frag, just "it has to be enough to be worth it."

Worth it to whom? To me? Worth it to me would have been a number of heads sufficient to cover the requests of the people that wanted it. In fact, I came up with 12 heads because in our phone conversation, you said that to get $10 per head, I would have to order more than 10 heads. That is what 12 is...more than 10.

Further, based on the pricing in our phone conversation, I was offering you MORE than what you said would be acceptable for a larger than 10 piece order...$12 is more than $10.


I told you i would sell them for more like 15 dollars and it had to be at least half or more of the Spawn.
That is not entirely correct. You said you wouldn't do $10 for anything less than 10 heads. It would have to be more than that. You NEVER said I had to take half, or I would have just dropped it then and there. I simply would not have been able to do the deal. I am not "pie in the sky" about anything. I don't like wasting time, and would not have.


I sent you 2 pm's,stating that i would like to know the full money amount that you planned on purchasing,and i never got a response until you offered to buy 12 heads at ten bucks.Ridiculous.These heads are worth more than than that.But i was willing to let them go at a lower price in order to get rid of itIt would kind of be impossible for me to give you a "full amount" if you never tell me for sure what you are charging for it, and for how many at a minimum. IT'S YOUR STUFF...YOU SET THE PRICE AND THE QUANTITY!!! Oh, by the way, it was 12 for $12. That would have been $144 dollars. Not exactly chicken feed.


If you made committments to folks up there,then you should have gotten your ducks in a row before doing that.
If you read back to earlier in this thread, you will see a list of the people who want(ed) your stuff. I had them lined up for it. I had people calling me TODAY looking for it. My "ducks" (I prefer to call them "fellow MAAST members") were in a row.

It was not my intention to make you feel like a jerk, by the way. I don't know that you can take that out of any of my posts, especially the one where I tried to help you sell your stuff.

Anyone who pieces this together can see that you flip-flopped on this more than John Kerry in the '04 election. Whatever. It is done. I don't have to deal with you anymore, and you don't have to deal with me. Leave it at that.

[motohead]

Richard,
Now you are being dumb.What it really boils down to is this.You wanted to lowball me on the Spawn.After repeated efforts thru pm to nail you down as to how much money you would be bringing with i found you to be evasive.Now i have found out the reason you were evasive.You simply wanted to make some kind of profit off the Spawn.I have no idea as to what the quotes you did above are to mean,i have a Spawn that now has about 37 heads on it.Solid took 8 heads today.And still,37 heads left.
By the time you had contacted me,Solid had already purchased the three pieces of hammer.Matter of fact you were at this house today were'nt you?And you saw the hammer din't ya?The post above this one kinda looks like you are accusing me of being a liar about what i have in my tank.I know what i got,Solid and Sharkbait know what i got.
We are out of Kindergarten now Richard.Time to stop playing little children games and deal with things like adults.You tried to scam me out of the Spawn dude.Plain and simple.YOu knew i did not want to sell or frag for a small order.the post above that you quoted proves just that.What happened is that you made committments to your buddies up there,and you thought i would play along with your little miniscule order.Not happenin dude.You should have just told me from the beginning that you could not afford the Spawn.Because you can't.And then i hear some other things from other folks about you that makes it clear to me that you are not to be dealt with as far as sales go.Just do me a favor,quit tryin to play like i backed out of something.You knew and i for sure knew that i wanted to sell a large amount,not some piddly 12 heads for 10 bucks.This ain't the flea market bro.

[Bill S]

Guys, please take this offline thru PMs. No more name calling.

[jroescher]

Something tells me this deal isn't going to happen.

[prof]

Please delete this thread. This is embarassing.

[jrnannery]

Richard,
Now you are being dumb.What it really boils down to is this.You wanted to lowball me on the Spawn.After repeated efforts thru pm to nail you down as to how much money you would be bringing with i found you to be evasive.Now i have found out the reason you were evasive.You simply wanted to make some kind of profit off the Spawn.Ok, sir, show me, at $16 dollars per head SALE price, and a $12 per head PURCHASE price, how I am trying to make a profit? Can you? No. As I stated repeatedly in the "Courier" thread, I was willing to do all of this driving, but did not want to get screwed on the gas. My mileage this morning when I put 18.002 gallons of gasoline into my wife's Jeep was 45,865 miles. This evening, when we got back home, I put another 18 gallons in, and the odometer read 46,232 miles. That's 367 miles, and we used 18 gallons of gas. My company is charging probably 2.40/gallon right now?! According to my calculator, that comes out to $43.20.

I was asking $4 for each Frogspawn (that you did not deliver on), and $3 for each hammer for gas. A rough tally of the overage charged to each of the San Antonio guys for their stuff (names and quantity can be found earlier in this thread) leads me to believe that I would have collected, including $10 from my own purchase, a whopping $28. Where is the profit? I asked for ASSISTANCE with the gas bill, not for anyone to finance this expedition.

Oh, by the way, sir, weren't you trying to make a profit off of your Frogspawn? And your point would be?



I have no idea as to what the quotes you did above are to mean,i have a Spawn that now has about 37 heads on it.Solid took 8 heads today.And still,37 heads left.
By the time you had contacted me,Solid had already purchased the three pieces of hammer.Matter of fact you were at this house today were'nt you?And you saw the hammer din't ya?The post above this one kinda looks like you are accusing me of being a liar about what i have in my tank.I know what i got,Solid and Sharkbait know what i got.

Actually, again, you are wrong. What the post above shows is that you had only a vague idea of what you had in your tank. 40+ is not a number. 41, 45, 367 thousand; those are numbers. Nice to see that you finally have a solid number...37. So, 37 heads, plus the 8 that you say SoLiD bought would be...45 heads total to start with? The 12 heads I offered to buy, given this new revlation would be OVER a 1/4 of the whole spawn. That is not a SMALL number.

By the way, I don't have to answer to you before I make travel plans.



We are out of Kindergarten now Richard.Time to stop playing little children games and deal with things like adults.You tried to scam me out of the Spawn dude.Plain and simple.YOu knew i did not want to sell or frag for a small order.the post above that you quoted proves just that.
Actually, it is impossible for me to "scam" you out of anything. It is YOUR 'spawn, in YOUR tank, behind YOUR locked door. I'm just not good enough to do that from 200 miles away.

What happened is that you made committments to your buddies up there,and you thought i would play along with your little miniscule order.Not happenin dude.You should have just told me from the beginning that you could not afford the Spawn.Because you can't.Sir, you have no idea what I can and cannot afford. I was actually contemplating purchasing the entire 'spawn from you last night, before you called me to back out (again). The only problem with that plan would be that I felt that I would be stuck with a lot of coral that i could not easily get rid of, kind of like what you are dealing with now.


And then i hear some other things from other folks about you that makes it clear to me that you are not to be dealt with as far as sales go.
Had you actually gone through with the deal (any of them), you would have discovered what everyone I have dealt with has discovered...that I am fair, friendly, respectful and deeply appreciative. If there truly is anyone out there who has a problem with me, I wish them well. They have the choice to deal with me or not.

Just do me a favor,quit tryin to play like i backed out of something.You knew and i for sure knew that i wanted to sell a large amount,not some piddly 12 heads for 10 bucks.This ain't the flea market bro.As I have repeated several times, the (final) offer I made was for 12 heads at $12 per. Initially it was ten, you said no. I counteroffered with 12 for $12, you resorted to calling me a cheat, a liar, a scam-artist, a vagabond and childish.

You could have PMed me if you wished to show me this level of disrespect. By doing this on a public forum, it is clear that your intention was to defame me. Sir, I feel that we have nothing else to say to each other.

Admin, please lock or delete this thread.

[motohead]

Her is the last update for this thread...

I received a call last night from motohead. He is now NOT willing to frag the Frogspawn again, so there will be no purchase made of that. The hammer I have already made purchase of, and it is sitting in SoLiD's tank now, awaiting retrieval.

I'm sorry to put everyone through this back and forth stuff. This was beyond my control. Hopefully this won't negatively affect the reputation I have developed with several of you...I did what I could.

So, please, those who were interested in the hammer, call me later tonight.

Richard
210-842-1842

This post here is what ticked me off to no end Richard.Especially the first paragraph where you say "I received a call last night from motohead. He is now NOT willing to frag the Frogspawn again".That is,was and will remain to be untrue.You say a 1/4 of the Spawn is alot?Well,we differ on opinion there.Not to me it isn't.
Your next paragraph is none too kind either."I'm sorry to put everyone through this back and forth stuff. This was beyond my control. Hopefully this won't negatively affect the reputation I have developed with several of you...I did what I could."
Let's be honest here.Whether you see it or not,this post sets out to make me look like i backed out.It would have been much simpler and more respectful for you to state that you were unable to come up with a purchase amount that warranted me breaking up the Spawn.Which is the truth.Same thing i told you in pms,same thing i told you on the phone.Instead,you post up what i have quoted there and you must admit,it makes me look like the bad guy.I have no control over what you told those folks up there.You put your eggs into the basket before the chicken was even there.
And further,why do you care how many heads are there?If you are only planning to purchase 12,what does the rest matter to you?
I guess you are going to refuse to admit that from the beginning of this,you knew i wanted to sell more than 12 heads.I also guess that since i did not want to sell that small amount,i become the bad guy for not wanting to break up a perfectly shaped,beautiful showpiece.Why would you want to lock this thread after you post up again?That is hardly fair Richard,You get to state your opinion and then lock it?
My opinion stays the same,you disrespected me first on the board Richard,by your quoted posts above.If you feel you want to contact me through pm's,then feel free to do so.
I would love nothing more than to get this whole deal worked out as now it has affected us both negatively.If you will read through the above quoted post from you,and keep an objective mind,you will see why i got angry.And no,consulting with me before you make travel plans is not required.However,if one is to drive 150 miles to purchase something from someone else,sharing the travel plans is usually considered a pretty good idea.If you did not want to give me a full dollar amount that you would be bringing with you,that is your prerogative.However,that is what i wanted to know,and from the pms i sent you you knew that.Locking this thread would be a bad idea in my eyes.Best to let things work out,as long as they remain civil.

[Darth-Tater]

Can we send them to bed without their dinner. We know a set of 5yr old twins and they sum it up best when they say "suck it up soldier". Lets just sing the old song "why can't we be friends" ok now you have someone else to pick on............. me :w00t

my .02 cents worth

DT

[Bill S]

What part of TAKE THIS OFF LINE did you two not understand? This thead has been recommended to be locked by the administrator. Any further posts to this thread by either of you two, and I will recommend detention!