Fishy buisness

[alteredego]

OK, I would like some feed back on this situation. I think I fell into the "store owner buds" trap. I went up to fishy buisness, not to buy anything just to go shoot the breeze with Jason. I mentioned I could not find anyone to drill my tank. He says he was a glass man for years. I said I wanted 2-3 2" pipes on the short side of my 650g to feed my 1hp pump. Jason asks me what others charge to drill holes. I said $40 / hole. I then told him I'd not only pay him $50 /hole but take him and his wife out to eat. I also told him while i was standing right in the middle of his remodeling, that it was not a matter of life or death, to get the store fully recovered first. then we'll do it. Jason tells me that he only uses the best bits, "when the diamonds break off it uncovers more diamonds, so the last a while." Now today he calls me up and great we have a bit, but now the bit is $200, and he wants $250 for two or three holes. Wow, I said i can go $200 then he will have a very good bit to drill more tanks and make a killin. Now the story has changed to, "Well after i get done with the three holes the bit wont be good any more." When he gets the drift that I'm not biteing, he gets ticked and hangs up on me. VERY UNPROFESSIONAL JASON!!!

So, my question to you all is, Should the first person to ask to get their tank drilled supose to get double hammered and pay for the bit the store owner keeps? I don't know about anyone else, I'm tired of the whole things arn't going my way, so get out of my store bit.

Jason, I'm sorry that now your stuck with a "great/ junk" bit, I hope someone from here feels sorry for you and needs a big hole drilled so you can recover any money spent on the bit, but, you will never see anymore of my money. The act is getting old bud.

[RNall]

how dare you have a bad experience and post it here...this forum is only for good experiences. Don't you know what this does to someone's reputation! Jeez! :lol

I don't know squat about your experience with Jason but i do know this....

Even though this is the vender experiences forum...beware....

People seem to get a bit crazy when someone has a bad experience and writes about it....

[Texreefer]

price quoted should be price paid,,, the bit for the shop is the "COST" of doing business.. I certainly don't know the whole story because there are usually two sides to be fair. but sounds like you have a legitemate gripe!

[FISHYBUSINESS]

i agree that jason guy is a real peice of work. ha ha ha

[Bill S]

Yes, SOMETIMES folks get bent out of shape about bad vendor experiences. However, in this case, he has told his side of the story, in detail. It then gives Jason a chance to respond. What is unacceptable is global statements like "ABC Fish Store stinks!", with no details.

I DO have a problem with "a deal is a deal", not being a deal. Of course, in my case, I guess it doesn't matter. I've never been in Jason's store.

[MattK]

i agree that jason guy is a real peice of work. ha ha ha

So, I guess that's your side of the story? ha ha ha

[FISHYBUSINESS]

hey, know thats funny. but in all seriousness, there is a difference between a guess and a final price. but when someone calls me on tuesday and says did you get that bit yet, hu hu hu, then i say no, and they express to me a urgency. so i next day air a bit from cali. then i am not just out a bit, but shipping and a guess priced goes up. expecially when you want it asap. i just paid an extra $60 for asap. i am upset about eating it. but i will get over it. i would prefer not to have customers though that i have cut deals upon deals with, and then they cant pay a normal price every once in a while. the more you own a business and everyone suddenly wants to be your best bud and get the good deal. the more you realize that true friends pay your normal price, because they want you to succeed. they don't want to take advantage. however most wish just to do that. good customers i have, bad customers i dont need. thanks for reading. sorry about the ha ha ha. i just dont take this very seriuosly, my good customers will continue to shop with me and the people who hate me will have an oppertunity to bash me and new people will want to come and see what all the fuss is about. everytime i have something like this happen, it boost my business. so thankyou everyone.

[MattK]

Did you expect him to pay the $200 for the bit?

[FISHYBUSINESS]

no, i bought the bit, i own the bit. i expected him to pay $250 for the job. the same job he told me 3 other stores promised to come out and do but will never show up. funny i dont see there names listed. however i was going to do the job asap. and for that i get the bad listing. see where customer service gets ya. i am sorry if i can't do the job for nothing, it is called fishy "business". i will step on it and haul butt if needed and do my job for the right price. i will not say i will come and do the job and not show up again, and again, and again.

[MattK]

no, i bought the bit, i own the bit. i expected him to pay $250 for the job.


How much were you charging him per hole?

[FISHYBUSINESS]

it wasn't by the hole, it was by the job. 2 or 3 or 4, it didn't matter. i just know what i need to make to go out there and drill some holes. and not lose my shirt in the deal.

[MattK]

Is that the price that the both of you had agreed on, $250 for the job?

[Bill S]

Personally, I don't do business with folks that can't compose a simple, easy to read, punctuated sentence. Leaves a poor impression - and I'd think that that is exactly opposite of what one would want to impart. But, that's just me. And, as everyone knows, I'm an _____________!

[MattK]

Personally, I don't do business with folks that can't compose a simple, easy to read, punctuated sentence. Leaves a poor impression - and I'd think that that is exactly opposite of what one would want to impart. But, that's just me. And, as everyone knows, I'm an _____________!

Hmm.. I think it leaves a poor impression also. Unfortunately, I also think there's something to be said about a person who adds nothing to the discussion except to rag on someone for the way they type. ;)

[FISHYBUSINESS]

the price i gave when i let him into my store while i was closed remodeling to try to help him was a guess, not a quote. the quote was given today and turned down. big deal. have you even read what i have been saying because that was in there. and i am happy for you that you donot do business with people who cannot compose sentances, good for you. like i give a Sh__. like i said i dont want those kind of customers, so your not disapointing me any. how many times do you want me to explain my side over here. if this is just a bashing session, then it doest need my response. i also find it interesting that a moderator post things like that. you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Bill S]

Hey Matt - you see, as a Moderator, I'm expected to READ this stuff. Since it takes about 10x longer to READ it than it should if the person doing the typing took 30 seconds to compose their post, it DOES merit a comment. This thread has 133 views. That means that about 125 "viewers" had to put up with the poor composition of Jason's responses. And, each of them is either a customer of his, or a POTENTIAL customer of his.

Jason - that's a heck of a way to approach business. As a business owner - and a very successful one at that - I can't imagine making public posts like yours above. Sit down, compose a coherent response, and send it. You need to understand - the folks that really HAVE money to spend in your store, DO pay attention to this. So far, in 2006, my total expenditures in LFS in San Antonio are well over $3K. How many others are there in my league? Oops.

[Bill S]

Dang, Jason, my PM box is FULL from responses supporting my position!

[FISHYBUSINESS]

oh, wow, how impresive. sorry to offend you your majesty. my store is doing great, i have to close from expanding so much at one time. but you see. i went into this business to enjoy my life, and what i do. i don't care about making a huge amount of money from jerks, i am and will continue to be selective of my customer. becuase you see, i don't neeed the business from such people, or the hassle. and you are chastising me for grammer. not for having ethics of showing up when i say i am going to as my fellow stores can't seem to do. or putting a rush on things when people ask me to. oh no, that horrible business. i see what you mean. ha ha ha. so thank you oh wise one for correcting my grammer. but i would assume not serve snootie, snotty people.

[MattK]

have you even read what i have been saying because that was in there.


Oh, I see it now.



there is a difference between a guess and a final price


I understand about quotes, sometimes the final prices is higher, but rarely are they lower. I was just asking what price was quoted. If it was only $20 more I don't think he would have started this thread.

Now, I don't know how far you had to drive to drill his tank, but $250 for 2-3 holes sound expensive. But what do I know. A $200 bit that can only be used a few times doesn't sound right either. I know there are bits at a quarter of that price that will cut ~5 holes.

BTW, I was never bashing you. I was just trying to get some questions answered so I could make an educated decision.

[BIGBIRD123]

I really think that this thread should be locked, as it has really gone on far enough. This is the thing that brings Maast down to the level of the other forms and I hope and believe that we are above that. These kind of disputes should be handled by PM and not in open forum. I believe an opinion is just that but this is trashing at it's best regardless of who did what? I'm not gonna take sides because neither is a concern of mine but I really hate to see our site going in this direction. This is just my opinion and not the fault of your set...

Steve

[Bill S]

Jason, not a problem. I'm very happy with the folks I deal with - and they are VERY happy with me. I don't question prices, I place special orders and PAY for them promptly, and they all welcome me when I come in the door. I try and buy from LFS rather than online. I have 3 LFSs that I do business with, and yes, they each wish I would do all of my business with them, but I do try and spread it around.

Jason, you don't know me from the man in the moon. I try and give you some constructive criticism about how you portray yourself and your business on this forum, and you just tell me to shove it. At your request, I won't darken your doorway.

[FISHYBUSINESS]

the holes are to be drilled vertically not horizonally with lube. which wears on the bit more. and what diffenence does it make what the price is. its my price. to high. then go somewhere else. oh, wait. you have already been everywhere else. and whether or not i can use the bit another 200 times is irrelivant. thats was my price. and out of frustration of having someone that will go the extra mile and do things immediatley and them telling them no thanks. this person is just frustrated from being back to square one. i can only do so much. i provide a service. i quote a price. this particular individual has gotten so many deals from me its not even funny. in fact he has started to threads in my honor in the past. but now he's upset. poor, poor baby. not my problem. its just a issue of weining someone off of buddy deals because they aren't anybodys buddy but themselves and there upset about it. and now i have to sit here and explain myself a hundred times. however. thanks you for your coutesy in the matter mattk. and i like that drunken clam thing. family guy is very funny.

[MattK]

Hey Matt - you see, as a Moderator, I'm expected to READ this stuff. Since it takes about 10x longer to READ it than it should if the person doing the typing took 30 seconds to compose their post, it DOES merit a comment. This thread has 133 views. That means that about 125 "viewers" had to put up with the poor composition of Jason's responses. And, each of them is either a customer of his, or a POTENTIAL customer of his.


I see your point and it bothers me also, but when did the moderators turn into the grammar police? I thought mods were here to stop bashing, not start it. If it were anyone else that said it, I wouldn't have cared. Even though I totally agree with you, I don't think it's the mods place to correct people like that.

[FISHYBUSINESS]

i think we should have to pass a grammer test to be on maast now. oh wait, they didn't say anything about that when maast took my money.

[RNall]

Jason - You have a very peculiar way of running a business and constructing a sentence. Be that as it may, kuddos for sticking up for yourself and doing things the way you want. It is afterall, your Fishy Business. If you can afford to refuse customers that you deem less desirable, more power to you.

Bill - how impressive, you are quite an important "very successful" business owner and consumer...I bow in your general direction. Perhaps someday, all LFS will want me to spend all my money in only their store! I know, it's a lofty dream, but perhaps...someday.....

[Bill S]

Ron, LOL. That made my night!

[RNall]

I do what I can... :lol

[MattK]

Ron, LOL. That made my night!

Ooo.. me next!

[RNall]

I hate to disappoint but I either exhausted my daily limit of sarcasm and smart as* comments in my previous post or I simply agree with you on what you have said....either way is far too boring unfortunately....

I'll keep my eyes open for future opportunities though...just for you :lol

[gcantu]

and he wants $250 for two or three holes.

Wow!!
I can see $50 per hole, 4 holes max, I would guess= $200 + $20 gas to drive to his place = $220. What is the other $30 supposed to cover??

Man, just contact Ross! I hear he does wonders drilling holes and at a reasonable rate too!

Jeez!!!

[Bill S]

In defense of Jason, it IS a 625g tank. Glass is probably at least 3/4", maybe 1". When Ross drilled my tank, I gave him a big tip, and I still feel like he/they came out on the short end of it. Mine is 3/4". It took about 3 hours for Ross to drill 2 holes.

[C.Mydas]

Locked...by me. Both parties stories have been explained. Take it to PMs or just reflect on it privately.