Joe's Juice

[cbianco]

Hey all

Does anyone have any experience using Joe's Juice? I have tried kalk with very limited success. I actually boiled some rocks just to get rid of some aiptasia but I can't boil all my rocks in the aquarium.

If you have used Joe's Juice let me know how it worked!

Also, does anyone sell this product locally?

Thanks for the input.

Christopher

[LoneStar]

I heard greenmako used it with limited success. I actually hear a blow torch works really well if you can get the rocks out of the tank lol

[cbianco]

Blow torch... How bout a jack hammer? Dynamite? C4?

:lol

I hate rock anemones!!!

Christopher

[cpreefguy]

joes juice works for a while, then the aptasia will become immune to it
a drill works too

[NaCl_H2O]

I think I saw Joe's Juice at Fin-Addict, you can also get it on-line at Premium or MarineDepot. I have used it, with about the same success as Kalkwater or vinegar. BY FAR, the only thing that has worked well for me is a Copper Band Buterfly ... keeps my tanks nice a clean. Takes them about 2-3 weeks to really get busy cleaning, but then poof, they are all gone :)

CB Pets sells very healthy CBBs, got one from them and the other from Alamo - both have survived ... so far.

[cbianco]

Steve

I have a 24 gallon NC. I don't think that a copper band butterfly is an option for me since I have such a small aquarium.

I never tried vinegar. How well does that work?

I did try some peppermints twice. The first time I bough two peppermints. They cleaned my tank wonderfully. I sold them back since they were so shy while the lights were on. Again, I bought a peppermint when I noticed some additional anemones growing. Only this time the peppermint never touched the nusiance anemone.

I have almost given up hope on these things.

[NaCl_H2O]

I would be VERY careful using Vinegar or Kalk in a 24g NC! You could easily turn your water chemestry wacko very quickly! The vinegar wasn't any more effective than Kalk IMO, and could really mess with your PH in a 24g!

Maybe a small CBB you could let someone else have after it gets bigger? You could also try the Berghia nudi's, but I haven't had much luck with them.

[JimD]

Try firing their ***** up with some sraight liquid calcium. Thats what I use on the ones the Pepps wont touch.

[don-n-sa]

I have used joe's juice before and it worked good for me...been aptasia and majano free ever since..

[GaryP]

Instar say he loves it when people use Joe's Juice. The surviving cells from the "dead" aiptasia spread all over the tank and grow out into full grown aiptasia. Then they go see him about berghia nudibranchs.

[Thunderkat]

My favorite method is to bury the rocks in sand, the aptasia will crawl to the surface (may take up to 3 days from what I have seen). The aptasia will then plant themselves in the sand. At that point you can just scoop them out, you will lose a few grains of sand but its not too bad of a loss.

[cbianco]

Steve

I thought about buying a small one when you mentioned it to me. I'm not sure that I want to give away such aninvestment when I am done though. I would feel bad :(

Jim

What make liquid calcium any better than kalk or vinegar? Since I have such a small tank wouldn't that method be ust as dangerous?

don n sa

I'm glad to see that somebody has had results with this product! :)

Gary

How well do the berghia's work? I have heard that people have mixed results just like Joe's Juice, kalk and vinegar.

All in all I guess there is no cure all for rock anemones. Maybe I'll try some peppermints again. I really want to try some Joe's Juice though. I feel so conflicted inside, :lol

Christopher

[JimD]

Because Ca is a beneficial additive that wont jack with your Ph, like vinegar (lowers it) or kalk, (raises it).

[cbianco]

Jim

Just curious but if I raise calcium without raising my pH won't the calcium precipitate out? Or does that not really matter?

Christopher

[JimD]

It only takes a small dose to kill the Aiptasia, unless your tank is like completely filled with it, I doubt youll add enough Ca to really make a difference. Whats your Ca level now?

[hobogato]

i have used it also, but for mainly mejanos. i had 2 aptasia and at least 150 mejanos when i started using it. the aptasia went on the first dose - havent seen them since (6 months ago). the mejanos are almost gone. at the beginning, i was killing 20 - a day, now ( 6 months later) its about 10 a week. most of these are very small now, where in the beginning they were half dollar to silver dollar size. fin addict usually carries it, or you can order directly from them on the web.

[cbianco]

Jim

Its funny that you ask what my current Ca levels are. I have tons of test kits (basics, Phos, Alk, etc...) but no Ca test kit. I know what your going to say, get one! :lol I know. Testing drives me nuts! I think I could set up another tank on the money I used (or will buy in the future) to buy test kits, lol.

hobogato

I appreciate the success story. Sounds like you almost have a part time job killing off anemones, lol.

Christopher

[hobogato]

not any more :shades

[JeremyGlen]

The best thing to do in your situation is to get 4 or 5 peppermints and let em run wild in the tank. They should do the trick pretty quickly.

The problem your going to have is the little glass anemones growing in your filtration. I purchased a tank that had one or two out in the tank, but could never really get rid of them. I finally found 4 or 5 growing in the dark in a hang-on filter. They will grow where you cannot see them by feeding on the nutrients in the water. I would take a look in your filtration area in that cube and see if there are any little ones that could be reseeding your tank all the time.

Take on the big ones yourself with a needle and liquid calcium. It works the best out of everything I've tried to use. You just have to stab them quick so they don't shrink up under the rock or into a hole before you inject.

If nothing else, find em and stab them repeatly with an ice pick or something. Then let the peppermints take out the remains.

[gjuarez]

what about peppermint shrimp?

[cbianco]

If nothing else, find em and stab them repeatly with an ice pick or something...

So mafiaso! :lol Remind me not to mess with you. :)

I think that 4 or 5 peppermints in my small tank is a recipe for disaster. From my experience they like to pick at corals. I was thinking maybe 2 peppermints.

Christopher

[JimD]

Pepps are usualy hit or miss. What Ive done in the past is to train them by setting up a small temporary tank with a powerhead in it, place an infested rock in it with the Pepps, dont feed the tank at all and wait till theyre eating the Aiptasia, usually doesnt take long, then put the rock and the shrimp back in the main tank.

[cbianco]

Jim

I originally heard that people should put the CBB with a rock in a quarrintine tank in order to get them eating anemones. I thought about doing that with the peppermints too.

I trully understand when you say the "peppermints are hit or miss," from personal experience. I had a pair of peppermints that were saints and practically fetch the morning newspaper. A second batch of peppermints took out one of my hammers before moving onto a colony of zoas.

Christopher

[JimD]

Just be sure youre getting "true" Peppermint shrimp, >Lysmata Wurdemanni< and youll have a much higher success rate. Ive seen them mis-labeled at some lfs's. Avoid the ones being caught at the gulf. Google image search resulted in some really nice pics of the Wurdemanni.

[cbianco]

Jim

I have heard that the two peppermints look alike. What is the scientific on the other type of "peppermint?"

Christopher

[cbianco]

Jim

I assume that this is the "true/real" peppermint
( http://fins.actwin.com/pics/Lysmata_wurdemanni3.jpg ).

How do you know if they have been caught at the gulf? Is there a trick to figuring this out (besides asking)?

Christopher