DI cartridges, refillable cartridges, refills, bulk resin

[falcondob]

Here is what I will be looking to order:

Non-refillable DI cartridges
Refillable DI cartridges
Refills on Refillable DI cartridges
Bulk DI Resin
Here are the rules:

(1.) All payments must be received before the order will be placed. (I would like to float it, but can't.)
(2.) Returned checks will carry a $1,000,000 NSF fee.
(3.) PayPal payments must include PayPal fees.
(4.) At my option, if minimum order is not met, order will not be submitted.
(5.) I will not deliver orders. I would love to do it, meet you, and see your tanks, but I just don't have the time.
(6.) Shipping costs will be a proportional amount based on the vendor's best estimate of weight of any item. Example: If your order is 13% of the total weight, you will pay 13% of the shipping.
(7.) All LFS in SA and Austin will be given a chance to bid on the order. I will pass along this item to all LFS in SA and Austin of which I am aware. If you see someone I missed, let me know.
(8.) The lowest price on the total amount of the order will be the one we go with. If vendors will let us pick only certain items, then so be it. We will go with whatever costs us the least.
(9.) I will post additional items a vendor offers that people may be interested in. These can be ordered, but may, or may not, affect our group discount price. The assumption should be made that it will NOT, unless otherwise noted.
(10.) If the thread gets out of hand, I will have the moderators delete it and I will cancel the order.

Everyone please respond by end of day tomorrow (07/26/2005) to let me know:
(1) If you want rules added, changed, or deleted.
(2) If you want products added to the list.

There will be two posts after this.

One that lists the prices and the vendors
One that lists who has ordered what and the quantity. Order soon and often. Obviously, the more we order the better the price.

I will edit these pages as information comes in.

I don't have the time for this to string out forever. Once I have prices from everyone (say August 5), I will call for final orders and then I will post a GO/NO GO.

[falcondob]

Moderators: Please delete the original post by somebody stupid named "guest". :innocent

[falcondob]

THIS IS PRELIMINARY, I HAVE A FEW MORE TO GET. I WILL HAVE A COMPLETE LIST BY SUNDAY AUG 21

Does anyone know how to convert a gallon of resin to cubic feet? I know there is no exact conversion, just an estimate.

BULK RESIN

CuFt Gallon Pound
Air, Water, and Ice, Inc $99.00 $1.90 *
AquaFX $6.00
(One free sediment/per pound)
Premium Aquatics $45.00 (apprx.)
Water General $4.40
(Price includes shipping)
Aquarium Instruments $54.00
Buckeye Field Supply $7.80
Resin Depot $3.27
Spectrapure $8.00

* - Estimated cost per pound based on 52lbs/cubic foot


REFILLABLE DI CARTIDGES
Amount in () is minimum purchase to get price.


Air, Water, and Ice 10 " Clear Filter Housing $ 7.95 (0)
Premium Aquatics 10 " Clear Filter Housing $10.95 (6)
WaterFiltersOnline.com 10 " Clear Filter Housing $23.99 (6)
10 " Blue Filter Housing $13.99 (6)
20 " Blue Filter Housing $24.99 (4)
Buckeye Field Supply 10 " Clear Filter Housing $10.00 (6)
Fresh Water Systems, Inc. 10 " Clear Filter Housing $26.10 (12)
20 " Clear Filter Housing $39.00 (1)
Resin Depot 10 " Clear Filter Housing $14.99 (0)
Wolf Reef 10 " Clear Filter Housing $29.99 (0)
(no shipping to SA)


REPLACEMENT DI CARTIDGES
Amount in () is minimum purchase to get price.


Air, Water, and Ice 10 inch $24.99 *
WaterFiltersOnline.com 10 Inch $28.49 (6)
20 Inch $43.49 (6)
Aquarium Instruments 10 Inch $27.00
Buckeye Field Supply 10 Inch $18.00
Dr. Mac's Pacific East Aquaculture 10 Inch $34.00
HB Water Systems 10 Inch $32.00
Wolf Reef 10 Inch $18.50
(no shipping to SA)
* waiting on group price


Vendors contacted and their responses:

These vendors DID respond:

Advanced Water Systems, Inc.
28 Jul 2005
Waiting for prices.

Air, Water, and Ice, Inc.
28 Jul 2005
We have an excellent batch of D.I. resin that is not balanced.
Produces great water, is color changing and works just fine.
However, in use it separates into two distinct layers.
$99.00 per cubic foot
refillable cartridges $7.95
Still waiting on prices for housings

AquaFX
28 Jul 2005
6 dollars per pound and 1 free sediment per pound of resin.
Top grade 18 Meg resins

KFS Pure Water Systems
28 Jul 2005
Waiting for prices.

Premium Aquatics
10 Aug 2005
Resin
Anion: p/n RES-CI-SBA-G, wholesale $55/gal,
Cation: p/n RES-CI-SAC-G, wholesale $35/gal
Housings
Kent Marine Clear Refillable Cartridge
$10.95 (5 or more, does not include shipping)

WaterFiltersOnline.com
20 Aug 2005
Filters
PCF1-10MB Deionization Water Filter – 10 inch # 155273
$28.49 (6 or more, does not include shipping)
PCF1-20MB Deionization Water Filter – 20 inch # 155274
$43.49 (6 or more, does not include shipping)
Housings
US Filter Pentek 158007 Slimline 10 Inch Clear Filter Housing
$23.99 (6 or more, does not include shipping)
US Filter Pentek 158005 Slimline10 Inch Blue Filter Housing
$13.99 (6 or more, does not include shipping)
Pentek 158129 Slimline 20 Inch Blue Filter Housing
$24.99 (4 or more, does not include shipping)

Water General
28 Jul 2005
250 lb. of color changing DI resin shipping included to Texas is $1,100.00
($4.40 per pound shipped)

These vendors DID NOT respond, but I got prices from website.

Aquarium Instruments
20 Aug 2005
SPECTRAPURE BULK DEIONIZING Color-Indicating Mixed-Bed Resin - (GALLON)
$54.00 per gal. (does not include shipping)
SPECTRAPURE BULK DEIONIZING Semi-Conductor Grade Mixed-Bed Resin - (GALLON)
$54.00 per gal. (does not include shipping)
Mixed bed multi-layer de-ionization cartridges, non-refillable, 10”
$27.00 (does not include shipping)

Buckeye Field Supply
20 Aug 2005
Bulk mixed bed color-changing DI resin refill
$38.99 for 5 lbs. (7.80 per lb., does not include shipping)
Color changing mixed bed DI resin cartridge, refillable, 10”
$18.00 (does not include shipping)
Refillable resin cartridge, 10”
$10.00 (does not include shipping)
Hanna TDS handheld meter
$27.00 (does not include shipping)

Dr. Mac's Pacific East Aquaculture
20 Aug 2005
Replacement DI cartridge
$34.00 (does not include shipping)
TDS handheld meter
$39.00 (does not include shipping)

Fresh Water Systems, Inc.
20 Aug 2005
10" Housing Clear
$26.10 (12 or more, does not include shipping)
20" Housing Clear
39.00 (1 or more, does not include shipping)

HB Water Systems
20 Aug 2005
10” 100% mixed bed DI resin filter with color change
$32.00 (does not include shipping)

Resin Depot
20 Aug 2005
10” Refillable Filter Cartridge
$14.99 (does not include shipping)
Mixed Bed Deionizer Resin, ResinDepot Brand (ultrapure grade).
1 cubic foot (52 lbs.) bag Weight:
$169.99 (3.27 per lb., (does not include shipping)

Spectrapure
20 Aug 2005
Mixed Bed Deionizer Resin, 2 lbs.
$16.00 (8.00 per lb., (does not include shipping)

Wolf Reef
20 Aug 2005
Deionization (DI) Replacement Cartridge, 10"
$18.50 (does not include shipping, but local to SA)
Deionization (DI) Replacement Cartridge, 20"
$49.00 (does not include shipping, but local to SA)
Refillable Filter Canister
$29.99 (does not include shipping, but local to SA)

These vendors DID RESPOND but DECLINED TO BID or DID NOT STOCK ITEMS:
CaribSea, Inc.
fragfarmer.com
Hydro Max, Inc.
Marine Depot
Reefer Madness
ReeferRocks
Reeftopia
REMCO Engineering
Clean Environmental Concepts, Inc.

These vendors DID NOT respond, no price on website.
Checked websites on 20 Aug 2005
AquaTek Tropical
Aquatic WareHouse
Arizona Coral Company
Atlantis Aquarium
AZ Coral Company
CB Pets
Coral Fanatics
Country Corals
Florida Pets
Fin-Addict
Frags N Crabs

[falcondob]

These are the people who have ordered and how much:



----------------------------------------------------------
Purchaser Pounds --------Cartridge-----------
of DI Resin Refillable Non-Refillable
----------------------------------------------------------
falcondob 30 1
Joshua 20
greenmako 50-100
GaryP 20 1
brewercm 20 1
witecap4u 20
Sunhutch 20 1
deast7 20 1
longhorn_20m 10-20 1

[GaryP]

20 lb. of Bulk Resin
1 refillable cartridge

[brewercm]

I could go 20lbs and a refillable cartridge.

[Darth-Tater]

I think that I could use 20 lbs.

D

[captexas]

Um . . . who is the vendor? What type of DI resin is it? I might be interested in some bulk DI resin if it's the good stuff at a good price :) I am going to have to make up a few 100 gallons of water in a few weeks!

[falcondob]

He's basically gonna take the large group order and shop it around.

Couldn't have said it better. :)

[Sunhutch]

Put me down for one refilable and 20lbs of resin.

[deast7]

I could go 20#'s and a refillable cartridge as well. Thanks.

Cheers,

Dave

[longhorn_20m]

I could go 10-20 lbs of resin, how long can it last sitting unused?

Also the refillable cartridge, is it vertical or horizontal?

Thanks,
Justin

[falcondob]

I could go 10-20 lbs of resin, how long can it last sitting unused?

Also the refillable cartridge, is it vertical or horizontal?

Thanks,
Justin


(a) Have no idea (b) probably could get either
John

[longhorn_20m]

well I will take 10-20 lbs resin and vertical refillable canister depending on price.

Thanks,

[longhorn_20m]

any update on this, looking to do order soon.

[Tim Marvin]

Is this new or recharged? If it has been recharged it could come from any source, I'd be worried if it can from a metal manufacturing plant and could be contaminated with copper,iron, and who knows what. Re-charging won't remove that and they will sell it just the same. I'd be interested if it is brand new and you are positive of the origin. AquaFX uses NEW, lab grade stuff. Have you tried them for a price?

[falcondob]

I am looking at all sources. These are not off-the-wall places. Not getting much response back from vendors as of yet.

[Tim Marvin]

I'm not saying they are off the wall places. It can be sold by filter companies. I'd just be sure to find out if it is brand new or recycled resin. Recycled resin is re charged and sold at a lower price from what I have found. Lowest price is not always the best deal. resin depot has good prices, and I beleive they sell new resin, never before used.

[falcondob]

Tim, I wasn't saying you were calling them off the wall. :) I was just saying that I tried to eliminate anything that looked shady. Yeah, I had a couple of responses from people who re-gen resin. Although it is an environmentally friendly option (I assume), I had pretty much discounted re-charged resin, too many variables.

As of yet, resindepot.com has not responded. Air, Water, and Ice has an offer on two bed resin they don't use, the other two specific responders have ranged from $6 to $4 per pound shipped. I intend on sending another followup message tomorrow.

[Tim Marvin]

Sweet, although it is environmentally friendly it wouldn't be reef tank friendly. I am glad you dropped that option. I'll be watching so when you get it narrowed down I may want to order some. I wasn't sure if I was going to keep useing DI, but I probably will.
Joshua, didn't you drop the DI resin on your filter?

[Tim Marvin]

OK, lmao.....

[falcondob]

New updates on page 1. More emails sent. Will keep you posted. Hope to order by August 15.
John

[brewercm]

Have you attempted to contact any of the sellers that are on ebay to see what they might charge for a large bulk order.

[Brett Wilson]

10 lbs, one refillable verticle cartridge.

If we are ordering by the 15th I would hope we knew the pricing by the 12th at least, as that is the last day I will likely have internet access before the 16th.

edit, dont need 20 lbs.

[GaryP]

John,

Where are we on this?

[falcondob]

John,

Where are we on this?

Well, I have a couple more responses to post. However, I am kind of disaapointed in the number of responses I have received. I will have some time tomorrow and I will post the options and my recommendations.
Thanks,
John

[witecap4u]

I'll probably take like 10lbs if this is still open....Just contact me when you are ready.

cs

[pilot_bell777]

Put me down for 10 lbs of "NEW" resin.

[pilot_bell777]

From Filter Direct Co.

Please call 1-888-633-7972 (9am-5pm PST, M-F) to speak to our sales rep. for more informations.

Thank you,
Kelly

[falcondob]

I really apologize, everyone. I have been working 12 hour days and have not had the time to update the group order. I promise I will have something we can chose from by Saturday. I will call FilterDirect and resindepot.
Thanks for being patient,
John

[pilot_bell777]

Cancel mine......

[Darth-Tater]

Already got mine. cancel me as well. Sorry needed it now

David

[falcondob]

UPDATE First Page, Fourth Post has been updated, analysis later today.

To those that had to cancel, my apologies.
John

[falcondob]

Preliminary analysis posted on First Page, Fourth Post.

Comments please.

[falcondob]

I recommend that we go with Air, Water, and Ice. The price is better than anything we can get. The reason is so cheap is the mixed resin seperates into to two beds. The owner assures me that this is OK and will stand behind his product. He also has the cheapeast refillable cartridges. My understanding, that one pound is required for a refill. So 1 cubic foot, should get you about (approx) 52 refills for $99 plus shipping.

There are still a couple of vendors who have promised prices by Monday. I will update when I get the info.

I know you may have abandoned this group order by know, but let me know by Tuesday. That is when I will send in the order.

Thanks for your patience. I wanted to get the best price I could and this is a hard business to get info out of the vendors.
John

[C.Mydas]

thanks John for doing all the hard work, I'm still in, just let me know :D
-Brian....sorry I forgot to log out Christina

[GaryP]

I'm in too. The sooner the better.

[deast7]

John

I'm still in as well -- thanks for yur work on this.

Cheers,

Dave

[falcondob]

Gary, Brian, and Dave,
Thanks for the kind words. Sorry it took so long.
I will keep you posted if anything new pops up.
Take care,
John

[falcondob]

OK, I got a quote on the shipping finally. Each cubic foot is 48 pounds, not the 52 pounds that I originally thought. But since everyone is buying by the pound, it really doesn't matter, just wanted you to know.

The shipping amount is $138 for 5 cubic feet or 240 pounds. I have to buy whole cubic feet. That comes to about $0.58 per pound ($138/240#). That is still around $2.50 per refill. This is based on what I have been told about how much in pounds will refill a cartridge. It also depends on how you refill it.

I have updated the total amounts due.

I will order when I get all the money. You can PayPal (just include the stupid fees) or get the money to me at the house.

PM me if you want to pay with PayPal or for directions to the ole homestead.

These are the people who have ordered, how much, and their total amount due:



================================================== ==================
Purchaser Pounds # of Charge Charge Shipping Total Due
Resin Cartr. Resin Cartr.
================================================== ==================
falcondob 52 2 $98.80 $15.90 $30.16 $144.86
Joshua 20 $38.00 $11.60 $49.60
greenmako 52 $98.80 $30.16 $128.96 Paid
GaryP 26 1 $49.40 $7.95 $15.08 $72.43
brewercm 10 1 $19.00 $7.95 $5.80 $32.75
witecap4u 16 $30.40 $9.28 $39.68
Sunhutch 10 2 $19.00 $15.90 $5.80 $40.70
deast7 26 1 $49.40 $7.95 $15.08 $72.43 Paid
longhorn_20m 10 $19.00 $5.80 $24.80 Paid
msuengin 10 $19.00 $5.80 $24.80 Paid
================================================== ==================
Total 232 7 $440.80 $55.65 $134.56 $631.01


1 cubic foot bags.
One Cubic Foot = (approx.) 52 pounds Incorrect - for this resin it is 48 pounds.
One Cubic Foot = (approx) 8 gallons.
One Cubic foot should give about 35-40 refills of 2.5" X 10 (approx)
Bulk Resin price is $99 per cubic foot (52 pounds) or $1.90 per pound.
Refillable containers are $7.95 per 10 " Clear Filter Housing.
Shipping is $0.58 per pound.

Anyone else who wants in can get in until I have all money.

John

[GaryP]

John, change my order to 26 lbs. Hopefully that will make things easier. John, I'll take any that you have leftover.

[brewercm]

Drop me down to 10 pounds. Looks like from what I'm seeing that for every pound you get almost three refills. Ten should be plenty to hold me for a while.

[witecap4u]

Put me down for 16lbs. Combine this with Gary's 26 and brewers 10, that will make 52lbs between us.

CSeel

[deast7]

John

I'll take 26 pounds and one re-fillable cannister. Thanks.

Cheers,

Dave

[longhorn_20m]

John,

I will only take 10 lbs of resin.

Thanks,
Justin

[Sunhutch]

Could you change mine to 10lbs and add another cartridge to make it 2.

Thanks, Ken

[msuengin]

Hey John,

If it's not too late, I'll take 10lbs of DI. Let me know man.

Thanks,

--Tim

[falcondob]

Last notice. The order will be made MONDAY MORNING!!!

[longhorn_20m]

I never heard back with total? I hope this hasn't been placed yet, any updates?

[falcondob]

Yeah, the update is that the guy has not emailed or called me back with shipping amounts. I guess a "resindepot" threat is in order.
Keep you posted.

[falcondob]

Amounts have been updated on Page 4 and money is ready to be collected.
John

[witecap4u]

Hows this coming along?

[falcondob]

Hows this coming along?

Just need the money paid in.

[longhorn_20m]

Who are we waiting on?

[falcondob]

Order has been placed. Waiting on info on shipping and arrival.
John

[Polkster13]

Did you ever find out if this was recycled DI resin?

[falcondob]

Did you ever find out if this was recycled DI resin?

No it is not recycled.
John

[falcondob]

UPS scheduled delivery is for Monday, Sept 26. With Hurricane Rita, I am not sure if that will affect the date. I will keep you posted.
John

[witecap4u]

I ordered tires for my bike and they were schduled for friday, but got pushed till monday. Not sure if Rita had anything to do with it, but the reason on the ups site said they were left at a facility unexpectedly or something like that.

cs

[brewercm]

There's been a lot of that with UPS deliveries lately. :angry

[falcondob]

Well, the DI order was right on time. Everything is here and ready for pickup tomorrow. If tomorrow is not good, let's pick a day. I don't want to drag this on all week, if that is OK. If tomorrow is OK post here. I will make a post about 4:00 tomorrow letting you know when we will do this.

[longhorn_20m]

If anyone is traveling from Austin to pick this up, please let me know if you can pick up my part too!!!

Thanks,
Justin

[witecap4u]

If anyone is traveling from Austin to pick this up, please let me know if you can pick up my part too!!!

Thanks,
Justin

I could use mine picked up also, maybe we can pool some frags or $ and bribe someone to go do it....hehe

cs

[brewercm]

I can't pickup until Wednesday if that is alright. Tuesday's the wifes birthday and if I mention taking time away for the aquarium she may shoot me. :o

Let me know if you'll be around on Wednesday evening if that would work.

[Sunhutch]

Today is good for me. I can come by this evening after 7pm.

[falcondob]

Pickup can be made today from 7:00 to 8:00 and Wed from 7:00 to 8:00.
If you can pickup and deliver for people in Austin, that would be great.
Thanks,
John

[falcondob]

Sorry people. My other brain cell kicked in. I am PM and/or emailing my address.
John

[msuengin]

Hey Chad,

I'm pretty sure we're the only 3 from Austin who ordered and neither I nor Justin(longhorn_20m) have made the trip to SA yet. Are you planning on heading down at all? If not, let us know and we can arrange something or see if John will ship to one of us. We can always meet up by where you work to exchange. Let me know.

--Tim



If anyone is traveling from Austin to pick this up, please let me know if you can pick up my part too!!!

Thanks,
Justin

I could use mine picked up also, maybe we can pool some frags or $ and bribe someone to go do it....hehe

cs

[witecap4u]

Carlinsa posted a while back saying he was making the trip back and forth for a while. I pm'd him last week, and he is still making the trip. I pm'd him back to find out if he could bring the stuff, but havnt heard back. He said in the first pm that he has been pretty busy though. I'll give him a call if I still have his number, or shoot him another pm. If that falls through, I was thinking about running down there to get the stuff.

cs