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captexas
Wed, 4th May 2005, 09:33 PM
Alright, I have a 75g well established tank that has been running for over a year and is fairly stable as I don't do much to it other than maybe a monthly water change. I've been having some problems with my tank lately and I'm not sure what is going on. The problems consist of a few things. I am having to clean the glass daily from algae, some of it being a nasty almost rust colored coating. Some of my corals polyps are not extending as much as they used to and some are not coloring up like they were. Last week I found a dead cleaner shrimp, one that I have had for a year or so. Yesterday I noticed my flameback angel acting strange and today I found it dead, after having it for many months.

The algae on the glass I attributed to depleted filters on my RO/DI unit. The retracted polyps and loss of colors on the corals I throught might be my 10k XM bulbs shifting in color as they have been in use for awhile. Also the water current in the tank has changed as I had to remove one of my Sea Swirls and send it in for repair. I am puzzled about the shrimp and angel fish.

I tested my tank and found nothing to be of concern other than my KH to be at 4.2dKH (Alk 1.49meq/L). PH shows to be 8, calcium at 400ppm, and ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite all show 0. All using Salifert test kits. As some of you know, I was having problems with my calcium reactor. I thought I fixed it, but I guess not as the Alk levels are so low. I went ahead and disconnected it for now and I'm going to slowly add some Kent Superbuffer to try to get the levels up.

Could the low Alk/dkH levels have killed the shrimp and fish? All my other livestock seem ok. I'm a bit frustrated with this tank right now as I hadn't had any problems for so long and now all of this. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe there is something else I am missing.

Tim Marvin
Wed, 4th May 2005, 09:39 PM
I would raise the alk and I'll bet the loss of flow has something to do with it. Did you notice this change within a few days of the seaswirl being removed?

Tim Marvin
Wed, 4th May 2005, 09:39 PM
By the way, shrimp only live a few years anyway, so it could have been it's time.

captexas
Wed, 4th May 2005, 09:46 PM
The junk on the glass has been going on for awhile, but I kind of think that is the top-off water. I really can't say for sure when the corals started acting up, but I would imagine their problems could be attributed to the flow, halides, and the low Alk level although a few of the corals still look fine.

I was wondering about the age thing with the shrimp, but don't know what to think about the angel. I did add a fox face recently and between it and my hippo tang, they could have been picking on it. I didn't find any nip/bite marks on it, but I guess they could have just overstressed it.

GaryP
Wed, 4th May 2005, 09:55 PM
Could the algae on the glass be diatoms? If so, that part of the problem could be from silicates which could be a result of the RO unit.

Also, could the alage be dinoflaggelates? They can be toxic to a grazer like the angel.

captexas
Wed, 4th May 2005, 10:04 PM
Oh, another thing I forgot was that I had a sudden hair algae bloom on 1 zoo frag rock that I got awhile back. I thought that was really strange that it only happened on that rock and nowhere else. Just too many weird things happening at the same time, but probably all related somehow.

NaCl_H2O
Wed, 4th May 2005, 10:05 PM
I doubt the dKH level played any role in the shrimp/fish, but what is your Mg level - that could be keeping your other levels down? If the Angel was acting strangely, then dies, I would think it may have been injured during a boxing match with the tangs? The water flow change may have altered their "territory" and caused some new battles.

On the shrimp, I agree it may have just been it's time. IME an established cleaner is VERY hardy.

I do water changes more often than monthly, and that combined with the potential poor RO/DI quality is probably giving you the environment for the diatom bloom.

FWIW?

captexas
Wed, 4th May 2005, 10:05 PM
Actually, now that I am looking through Gary's handy Nuisance Algae Guide, I think the hair algae was actually Bryopsis which is toxic to herbivores.

captexas
Wed, 4th May 2005, 10:13 PM
Gary - I don't think it was dinoflagellates, might be diatoms. I think the stuff on the zoo rock I had was bryopsis and wonder if that could have caused problems with the angel.

GaryP
Wed, 4th May 2005, 10:34 PM
It can be toxic as well if it grazed on it. Check with Larry. He's the Bryopsis expert.

captexas
Thu, 5th May 2005, 07:50 PM
Alright, now I lost my second cleaner shrimp! I'm getting worried here :(

NaCl_H2O
Thu, 5th May 2005, 07:58 PM
What's your SG and Temp? Are you sure your SG & Temp measuring is correct? I have had Temp and SG swings due to faulty testing! I now have dual thermometers, and two methods for cross checking SG now (Refractometer & floating/bulb hydrometer)

I will never trust one source for temp or SG again!

captexas
Thu, 5th May 2005, 08:37 PM
Temp is ok, I have my chiller on a temp controller which has it's own temp probe and I also keep a glass thermometer in the tank. On the SG, I thought of that tonight. I use a refractometer that I calibrated when I got it like 2 years ago so that could be off. I can't seem to find my cheapy plastic hydrometer to get a basic cross check on it so I'm not sure. I know shrimp are more sensitive to SG changes so I need to check it somehow.

GaryP
Thu, 5th May 2005, 08:49 PM
Are you running carbon in your tank? If not, I would suggest it. There could be some sort of toxic organic compound that is undetectable at fault here. If nothing else, it will eliminate one more possibility.