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obtusewit
Fri, 21st May 2004, 11:07 AM
I have recently been party to a thread on RC concerning a reef keeper who reported he was being shocked even though he had a ground probe in his tank and he thought his fish had been electrocuted. As an electrical engineer, who frequently gives training and consults on electrical safety, I was absolutely shocked (pardon the pun) at the number of misconceptions reef keepers have concerning electrical systems. I felt that I should post a thread in this forum so I don't have to wear a suit to the funeral home in the near future

I think all of us have suffered that invigorating tingle of an electrical shock, but most people don’t realize how lucky they are to have dodged the fatal bullet. It takes a surprisingly low amount of electrical current to cause serious damage or death. Although voltage plays a part in all of this, it is the flow of current that kills and maims. To give everyone an idea of the effects an electrical current has on the human body, here are the numbers in milliamps (ma). 1 amp = 1000 ma
Current (ma) Reaction
1 Perception level
5 Slight shock felt; not painful but disturbing
6-50 Painful shock; "let-go" range
50-150 Extreme pain, respiratory arrest, severe muscular contraction
1000-4,300 Ventricular fibrillation
10,000+ Cardiac arrest, severe burns and probable death

Anything above the 6 ma “let go” range is considered unsafe. “Let go” current is the current level at which you no longer have control of your muscles and are unable to “let go” of an energized conductor. If you sustain an electrical current of sufficient magnitude flowing through your body for as little as 1 full cycle (at 60 cycles per sec, 1 cycle = .016 secs), it is not a healthy lifestyle.

To give everyone an idea about what a milliamp is. At 120 volts, a 60 watt light bulb draws 500ma, a 250 watt MH draws about 2100 ma, and a 10 watt power head draws 83 ma. In other words, the current flowing through a 60 watt light bulb is 83.3 times what is considered to be a lethal dose.

Circuit breakers-
Circuit breakers operate at a predefined current level. A breaker is designed to clear the fault current above a preset level in 6 cycles, 3 cycles to sense the current and 3 cycles to “clear” (mechanically opening the contacts). Most household receptacles are protected by a 15 amp breaker. If you come into contact with the energized conductor on a 15 amp (15,000ma) circuit, and its current flows through your body, you will die before the breaker trips. There is no question about that, and in all likelihood, the breaker will never trip because your body has sufficient resistance (about 1000 ohms) to limit the current to less than 15 amps. In order for a breaker to trip, it must ‘see’ the current. If the water in your tank isn’t grounded, then power cannot flow to ground. In all liklihood, a short circuit into your tank will not trip the breaker anyway. Because, there is something else at play here, resistance, and I will discuss that later.

GFCI- Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter – Safe at last – NOT
A ground fault circuit interrupter is really a misnomer, it does not trip if there is a ground fault, it trips when the current flowing in the hot and the neutral are unbalanced by more than 6 ma. Safer? Yes. Totally Safe? I think not, and here are the reasons why.

You have just installed a GFCI according to all the instructions and it is absolutely working correctly. You pull that new power head out of the box and stick that bad boy to the back of your tank and plug it in. Water flows, the sediments cloud the tank and you pronounce your accomplishment a resounding success. The next morning your wife decides that that little piece of algae on the glass just has to go, …well, you find her on the floor dead and your power head is still working (whew, that new acro cost a fortune). What happened? Well, the hot wire to the power head has a cut in it. And since there wasn’t any electrical current flow out of the tank because no ground path existed, the GFCI sat there fat, dumb and happy. Until…. your wife was touching a nice solid ground when she became the current path between the hot stuff and ground. UL allows a 200ms (.2 seconds) trip time, about 10 times as long as it takes to sustain some serious physiological effects…Thank go her kness buckled before the GFCI tok that powerhead offline. Now you are now a widower.

Resistance (I told you I would get back to this)
Conductivity is measured in siemens. In seawater, at the standard concentration of S35, at 28 deg C conductivity is 57,015 µS/cm. 1 siemen = 1,000,000 µS. 1 Ohm = 1/(µS * 0.000001) therefore the resistance per cm of seawater = approximately 17.53 ohms. Let’s assume we have a 48 inch wide tank, which would be about 120 cm, then the total resistance from end to end would be 120 x 17.5 = 900 ohms. Powerhead on one end, ground probe in the other corner(we reefers like things out of the way)
Current = Voltage/Resistance = 120/900 = .133 amps = 133 ma. If you have a ground probe in your tank, your GFCI will trip in under 200ms because some current will flow to ground and not back through the neutral, letting the GFCI ‘see’ an unbalance. If there is no ground probe, you might be a ‘deadneck’ when you become the ground probe. Your 15 amp breaker would never ‘see’ 15 amps and trip. Resistance through the water would limit the current to less than the 15 maps

SO what have we learned from any of this
1. A Ground Probe is worthless without a GFCI
2. A ground probe will not protect you if the tank becomes energized
3. A GFCI might not protect you if the tank becomes energized
4. Any electrical equipment in a tank is a potentially dangerous thing
5. Always make you wife scrape algae.

Next weeks topic - Steam turbine power heads, do I need a chiller?

Brett Wilson
Fri, 21st May 2004, 11:38 AM
Thank you very much for this information obtusewit.

P.S. I want to have an irish wake when I go, no need for a suit :-p

rocketeer
Fri, 21st May 2004, 11:48 AM
Hmmm. I think I'll get a second ground probe for my main tank. I've got one in my sump because that's where most of my electrics are. Happily, I recently got rid of all of my power heads and put in a fat closed loop with two sqwds and four nozzles. But a ground probe is cheap insurance. Do you think a bar of copper might work? ( :D Just kidding, don't use copper!) I've still got an aweful lot of wires running through my hood.

cvonseggern
Fri, 21st May 2004, 01:30 PM
OK, so if a ground probe won't protect if you if the tank is "hot," why have one? What does it do? Pardon the ignorant question...I'm electrically challenged.

Tim Marvin
Fri, 21st May 2004, 01:40 PM
SO the moral of the story is: Whenever you put in new equipment have your wife touch the tank water first so you or the kids don't get hurt?......LOL... Just Kidding..... Great article, very informative!

CVON, the probe should give a path for it to ground so you don't shock the whole tank, but yes the current is still coming from the source to the probe....Right Obtuse?

manny
Fri, 21st May 2004, 01:40 PM
wow, i wish i would of had you for my network theory class instead of the crappy prof i had.

StephenA
Fri, 21st May 2004, 01:44 PM
SO the moral of the story is: Whenever you put in new equipment have your wife touch the tank water first so you or the kids don't get hurt?......


I love that one!

Tim Marvin
Fri, 21st May 2004, 01:48 PM
Oh yeh, and have her life insurance paid. Make sure the tank is covered also in case she pulls it over as she goes down.....JK... Fortunately my wife is not home right now or she be cashing my policy........

z28pwr
Fri, 21st May 2004, 02:10 PM
Oh yeh, and have her life insurance paid. Make sure the tank is covered also in case she pulls it over as she goes down.....JK... Fortunately my wife is not home right now or she be cashing my policy........

Careful their Tim, she may be cutting that PowerHead cable as you type :-D .

Tim Marvin
Fri, 21st May 2004, 02:17 PM
She isn't home, hopefully she won't get on MAAST and see this thread..... :shock:

obtusewit
Fri, 21st May 2004, 03:21 PM
Hmmmmmm - to keep the ground probe manufacturers in business???

If you do not have a GFCI, there is probably no justifiable reason to have one.

If you have a ground probe and don't have a GFCI and the tank becomes energized, current will flow through the water. The chances of a 15 amp circuit breaker tripping are slim, unless the ground probe was in close proximity to the voltage source. Although one can probably calculate how much current would flow through the critters in the tank, suffice to say that some current will flow. I doubt that this would be a good thing for them in the long term. If you have a GFCI and no ground probe, it is very possible that the GFCI wouldn't operate either. However, if you have a ground probe and a GFCI, the GFCI will trip within 200ms if the current flow exceeds 6 ma and the GFCI was functioning as it is supposed to...i.e. wired correctly, functioning properly, etc.

Although there is probably someone with no life and an overdeveloped curiousity who has done some research on critters living with an electrical potential and no current flow, I will go out on a limb here and make the statement that just because you are "charged up" at a higher electrical potential, there is no detriment to your health. In the utility industry, we "bare hand" high voltage lines from helicopters every day. Without a doubt the helicopter and everyone in it are charged to a potential of up to 345,000 volts, with no harmful effect. It is the flow of electrical current that will ruin your day.

Here is something to ponder while you get that "wife electrocuted by the fish tank' rider on your life insurance policy. Circuit breakers are garaunteed by the manufacturer to interrupt a fault current one time and one time only at the breaker rating. After that first 'trip' all bets are off. If a breaker opens under a sufficient fault current or at a fault current high than it's rating, it will suffer some damage and will not trip correctly. Most household breakers are rated to interrupt 10,000 amps of fault current (its printed on the side as 10K AIC - Ampere Interrupt Capacity). Depending on the transformer's KVA rating feeding your house, reaching 10K amps is entirely possible during a hard fault to ground. And for those of you who say a piece of 12 gage wire won't handle that, I've got some news. It will for the 6 cycles it takes for the breaker to clear the fault.

GFCI's More info here... things that make you go "Hmmmmmm"
http://www.ecmweb.com/mag/electric_think_gfci/

manny
Fri, 21st May 2004, 03:32 PM
What if you have a tank made out of wood? Then your tank would always be grounded, right? You can make those I think...

obtusewit
Fri, 21st May 2004, 05:21 PM
since most woods are insulators until they get wet, I doubt if they would be grounded

cvonseggern
Fri, 21st May 2004, 08:03 PM
So the GFCI I have on the tank is doing me absolutely no good, since there's no grounding probe and hence no path to ground to allow current to trip it. Glad to find that out - I think a grounding probe goes on the shopping list as of tonight.

kaiser
Fri, 21st May 2004, 09:37 PM
The heck with buying more stuff. I am with Tim make the wife check for current. :twisted: Good thing she never gets on this board or I'd be sleeping in the Driveway again. :lol:

cvonseggern
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 09:03 AM
Again?

Heh.

alexwolf
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 10:15 AM
my wife DOES browse the boards :x

kaiser
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 10:17 AM
Chris, You think that Camper in the driveway is sitting there by accident? :-D I got tired of sleeping with the dog, so I bought me the Doghouse delux! :-D :-D

alexwolf
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 10:18 AM
LMAO :lol:

::pete::
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 10:20 AM
Tim ... too funny. :-D

However this is how I check my electrical work at the house. Here hold this and Ill turn on the breaker, she grabs the black in one hand and the white in the other as I head to the garage ... ya ready? I obviously didnt, but she was still holding on (yeah her hair is sometimes blonde). :D

Thanks for the info !!!

brewercm
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 02:20 PM
That's funny, I was thinking the same thing when I read this. Needs 6 steps and pay insurance just before have wife scrape algae.

Reminds me of what I tell my wife when the insurance telemarketers call. She refuses to quit smoking so I just tell her talk to them a little more and have another cigarette before making up our minds so quick to hang up on them.

Tim Marvin
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 02:27 PM
I did that to her with the spark plug on the lawn mower once, she won't help me anymore........It was actually an accident and I wasn't thinking I was checking to see if it was flooded, but it was bad gas I had put in. She wouldn't talk to me for the day after I pulled the cord......With her holding the plug........OOps.....

brewercm
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 02:31 PM
LMAO,
Them women get so bent out of shape out of little things like that. :o

Tim Marvin
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 02:54 PM
She thought I did it on purpose......

kaiser
Sat, 22nd May 2004, 07:03 PM
I bet that cost You a fancy dinner and a dozen roses! :lol: