Southdown version 2.0

[RedDragon]

I'll take 2 if 15 or less

[RedDragon]

already did, :-D but I mis voted I put 1 and not 2 :oops:

[RedDragon]

I like the idea of southdown 2.0 LOL :-D

[ratboy]

Update on the quest for SD sand.

Plans have changed somewhat in that now we will be driving to Atlanta, GA to pick up the furniture sometime in early June. I havent looked to see if I can find SD in the area or route. I posted to take at least 2 bags for 15 each in case I cant find any.

[Henry]

i'll take five if the price is less that 15 each. when is this scheduled to happen?


Henry

[Jeff Post]

I posted 2 but will consider a couple of more if it keeps the price low.

[captexas]

Josh - Is this kinda like Rocky 3? :-D You must have eaten your Wheaties this morning! I just got 3 bags of pure aragonite and 1 bag of southdown from Tina's sale but I added to the poll for 2 bags. Might go more if I actually have money at the time :-D :shock:

Chris

[MaximaPower]

question b4 polling.

is SD sand white?

[phage]

Yes, very white.

[MaximaPower]

I would like in on this deal...4-5 bags

but where would we pick up? hopefully somewhere near NW Houston

[captexas]

Maxima -

As Josh is working on this one again, I'm pretty positive that the sand will be shipped to San Antonio. This is done as a store to store transfer so it can only be shipped to one location. If more people in Houston want to get in on the deal, people from there will have to work together to get their sand. There are several people in the group that travel so maybe someone could pick it up or drop it off for everyone there.

[Tim Marvin]

I posted for 8.
Thanks,

[matt]

Josh;

I posted for 2, but I'll take 3. There wasn't an option for 3 on the poll.

thanks, Matt

[reefer74]

Ya I'll go in on it....I polled in for eight.


Johnny G.

[Troy Valentine]

Josh,

Put me down for 5 bags.

Thank you

[schprock]

Sign me up for 5 please.

[TexasState]

I would like to get 5 bags too please.

[cac]

I am just getting started in setting up a tank. If it is not to late then I would like to get in on the sand order. I would like five bags. :) Now can I go back and vote in the poll?

[Tim Marvin]

CAC, first of all welcome to this great club. You have definately found the right group to join! I have 8 bags ordered and I would be happy to let you get two of them if the order is already done. That would be 100 lbs. How big is your tank?

[cac]

Thanks for the welcome Tim. I have been getting info from MAAST for a few months and thought it was time to join. Since the order was delayed until next week I thought I might be able to get in... if not then I will definitely take you up on the two bags. I am getting pieces of the tank together for now so the size of it is??? I have been trying to find a 75g RR all glass. Have also been looking at an 80g.

[Tim Marvin]

On a 75 you will probably only need about 3 bags..... What do you think Josh?

[captexas]

A 75g is 48in. long by 18in. wide. Using a sand bed calculator, a 4in. deep sand bed would need 180lbs. of sand and a 5in. deep bed would need 225lbs. Remember that Southdown sand comes in 50lb. bags.

The depth of your sand bed is really up to how you want to set up your tank. If you want the benefits of a deep sand bed as many people use, you want between 4 to 6in. of sand.

Hope that helps.

[Tim Marvin]

I have read numerous articles on DSB and they can work fine at 3 inch, but more delicate creatures such as, horseshoe crabs, seahorses, upside down jelly fish, and pipefish will thrive with a 6 inch deep sand bed because it is able to produce much more plankton than a 3 inch. I have also read some articles saying 1.5-2 inch can work, but I would doubt that.

[cac]

Since the bags are 50 lbs each I guess I should stick with 5 bags that gives me 250 lbs and I can go with a 75g or an 80g (about 4-5 inch bed) and have extra. I would rather have the extra then come up short.

[Tim Marvin]

Probably good thinking.

[Jeff Post]

Josh,

Change my 2 bag vote to 5 bags.

[brewercm]

Kind of new to the site here. If you end up with any leftover after everyone has bought from you I wouldn't mind getting a bag from you. Let me know if you need to get rid of some extras.

Thanks,
Cliff

[Henry]

Thanks for the update. Keep up the hard work.

[matt]

Josh;

Do you have any idea if this sand will be in by June 1? If not, I may have to bale and order some Pure caribbean. I can hang in until around the 1st, but I'll definitely be needing to put sand in my new tank sometime during the first week in June.

Until then, I'm still in. Thanks for working on this!

Matt

[Trae]

Setting up another tank. Could use 2 bags if they are available when you get them.

Thanks,
Trae

[scottz]

So, do you want Houston folks to add to the survey, or are you keeping track of that separately?

I'm setting up a 55 and need sand.

[scottz]

I've replied in that thread. Just wanted to see how you preferred to keep track. I'll see if I can do a post on the marshreef thread of a current total.

[RedDragon]

is there any one that is coming from houston that can bring down a 75g tank for me when this order comes in

[nunamakt]

I'm getting my my 180g (72"x24"x24") tank in the second 1/2 of June. I found a sand bed calculator online and it said roughly 100 pounds of sand per inch. Does that sound about right? From what I've read on these forums, I should get anywhere between 4" and 6" deep bed correct? Is so, I'll need 12 bags.

I'm probably going to be moving to Europe in the next 9 months. Could I keep the sand in the bags and have the movers move them or is there comparable sand in Europe? I know Europe would probably charge the typical 15-20% sales tax so I'd like to get as much as I can before we move. Will it be OK for a long distance move?

If so, I'd like to get in on 12 bags.

[nunamakt]

I was doing some reading on DSB's. On post I came across in another forum said a lot of people buy sand from here

http://www.purearagonite.com/

What's the difference between SouthDown and Aragonite?

[scottz]

RedDragon,

I'm likely to be the person driving a pickup with rented trailer from Houston to pickup the sand for the Houston portion of the order.

The truck will be empty on the way up, mostly. If you need a tank brought up from here, I'm happy to do it, depending on where the tank is located down here.

[RedDragon]

it's just a stand and its in Houston I need it brought back to Austin :roll:

[scottz]

They're both big towns but, depending on the weekend I make this trip, I'll be travelling through most of both of them. When the sand comes in, remind me again and we can work out the particulars.

[matt]

Wow; you're getting a 180 and moving to Europe. Unless you're moving for free, I suggest buying sand in Europe, I can't imagine the cost of moving several hundred pounds of sand. As far as moving your livestock, I guess you could just go to the east coast, give the fishes a map, and tell 'em to meet you at the straits of Gilbralter :shock:

Matt

[Steve175]

Joshua:

As Scottz has mentioned, the folks in Houston (myself included) have committed to 50 bags (50lbs each); given Scottz's truck/trailer limitations, our order is now closed. Hoping that our order will help bring down the overall cost. However, we - at least some of us - will be needing the sand relatively soon if at all possible. Thanks for organizing!! Steve.

[Tim Marvin]

Joshua, I had to pick up a few hundred pounds of sand. Drop my share down to 2 bags please if it isn't too late otherwise I am a man of my word.

[scottz]

Joshua,

How many bags do you have listed for the Houston group? We have a commitment for 50 from MARSH members.

[scottz]

Fabulous.

[Steve175]

What do you think would be the difference in cost? Steve.

[ratboy]

I hate to do it ,especialy if the SD may come through soon, but I could use 1 or 2 bags of sand asap.

[captexas]

Steve and others -
With freight charges, the Pure Aragonite sand costs just over $15.00/bag if a pallet of 70 bags is ordered. This is based on a shipping quote I got from them not too long ago when we couldn't get enough interest going to get an order done. It may be just a little under that if Josh gets a lower price as it sounds like 2 pallets would have to be ordered.

I'm not sure what the cost would be on the Southdown sand as there has not been a quote on the shipping charges from store to store from Home Depot. Remember that shipping that kind of weight is not cheap (it was like $345 for shipping fee from Pure Aragonite). Hopefully Josh can get an answer on that sometime soon.

Chris

[Tim Marvin]

Actually I'd rather have the aragonite, but will take either.

[Trae]

Aragonite for around $15 I can take 10 bags if there are going to be 2 palletts ordered.

Trae

[captexas]

Josh -
I assume that "local guys" means ordering Southdown? That's a lot of sand. If you have some place to store it, I think you could eventually sell it all. You figure if between Maast and Marsh you have 2 pallets sold, you could probably sell another 2 pallets to the LFS in our area, and people that don't need sand will need it later on. I bet Alamo would buy a pallet themselves. Might get some bites from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area people as well.

[Trae]

At $5 - $8 I could definently go for a half a pallett (or more depending on the wife). Have some grow out tanks I will need to sand up by years end.

Keep us informed and especially when you need final tally of # of bags and payment.


Trae

[brewercm]

I'm guessing that these bags would store no problem inside a large rubbermaid container. If that's the case I could probably up what I could use to 5 bags for a future venture.

[witecap4u]

Josh,

Maybe you could talk to a LFS or two and see if they would like some cheap sand to sell in their stores....Charley maybe? BTW, what are they considering a truck load?

Another Idea would be to put a post up on http://www.cichlid-forum.com/ there are a number of central texas guys on there also. I know word spreads through the SW boars(Maast,Marsh,DFW,ARK) but probably not to the FW guys....cs

[TexasState]

(Depending on how it's loaded,) a full 50' trailer can carry about 24 pallets. If they double stack the freight, then you'll have twice the number of pallets. A trailer could be longer then 50-' or shorter then 50'. How long is the trailer you see from HD?

[Jeff Post]

In this case a truckload is probably determined by the maximum weight possible instead of the space available. If anyone knows the weight limit that freight trucks must stay under they could probably guesstimate the number of pallets pretty closely.

What I could find on the WEB indicates a federal weight limit of 34,000 pounds. That would be a maximum of 680 bags. I do not know how many bags are on a pallet but this should give you a good estimate of pallets if you know how many bags per pallet.

[TexasState]

Last week I unloaded a full trailer of double stacked dog food bags. I took out about 1600 bags of dog foods. I'm not sure where these dog foods are coming from ( originated from out of state or in-state.)

[scottz]

Joshua,

Any news?

[witecap4u]

Last week I unloaded a full trailer of double stacked dog food bags. I took out about 1600 bags of dog foods. I'm not sure where these dog foods are coming from ( originated from out of state or in-state.)

Vinh,

The only this about that is that a 40lb bag of dog food is about twice the size of a 40lb bag of sand....Just something to think about!

oh, I sent your money yesterday through paypal.

T/

CS

[dragon99]

Howdy!

I'm setting up my 120 gallon tank this summer and would love to get about 10bags if this order makes it.

[scottz]

Sounds like a plan, then.

Thanks for trying, no matter how it turns out.

[Steve175]

Josh:

I am still interested (as one of the Marsh folks w/ Scottz). However, I think your idea of a specific end-point is a good one - both to free you from all this trouble/grief (very much appreciated even if things don't work out) as well as to allow a subgroup of those interested to order from purearagonite.com or another source in order to retain some of the benefits of a group order. My 2 cents. Steve.

[scottz]

Joshua,

I posted a note on MARSH that quoted your post here. I'm working on the assumption of a full 50 for the Houston group. We've got folks asking to come in if we have any who decide to drop out.

I'll try to post here if, for some reason, we go with less than 50.

[cells]

I need 1 bag, but am willing to take maybe 3 bags if necessary....

[scottz]

So, we find out today whether we wait for the sand to come in or not?

[scottz]

I understand completely. I'll be buying some purearagonite if "SD" fails to materialize.

[scottz]

So, this attempt has been called off?

Thanks for all the work trying to get it to fly, Joshua.

[RedDragon]

so Josh are we going to try to order sand from www.purearagonite.com

[Henry]

I know this thread was dead a long time ago. But I gonna try to breath some life into it. I got a email and pm from this guy named Cody, that said he was getting about 4 pallets of SD and would deliver to the Austin area for $15 a bag. I asked him if he could make the meeting and he said he might if we can get an order together he could make the meeting w/the sand. Just wanted to see if there was still interest in getting sand. Once again sorry to hi-jack the thread.

Henry

[minimasterflash]

I'll be at the meeting and also be intreasted in about 3 bags myself.

-Yancey

[Henry]

Yeah, I was think of getting about 6 bags. Hopefully more ppl will want some.

[georgetownreefer]

OK guys and gals for those of you that want southdown sand if someone can get me the SKU number for it my hubby works at the Home Depot in Georgetown.....I will see what I can do to get them to get a shipment of it.....

HTH,
Misty

[rossq]

Hey guys i'm new to the forum. I really want to go the meeting in austin but i'm in highschool and my mom wont drive me. I want 2 bags but i will have to pick them up in SA somewhere. If there gonna be delvered to austin than can someone who lives in SA pick them up for me and we can meet somewhere. Thanks for the help!