Southdown sand

[fishcraze]

I'm looking for southdown sand for my new 180 gal tank.. But the HD in Houston doesn't carry this sand (except those HD in the Northeast region). ChrisIsBored from Marsh group said that someone named Josh K organized the group order for this sand at only $10/ 50lbs bag last year, and that Josh K is a frequent member here.. So Josh, do you still have some SD sand bags available or can you organize another group order for that sand? I know some people in the Marsh group are also needing this sand for their new tank too..
Thanks,
Quoc

[Chris]

Hehe... welcome to the group Quoc.

You might want to save Josh some of the trouble and go ahead and organize everyone in Houston FIRST and it may be easier to do.

justletmein = the infamous Josh K.

:-D

[Troy Valentine]

I called up PureCarribean Arragonite and I was told that we can order a pallet (70-40lb bags) for 15.95 a bag shipped. This might be something to think about if the SD idea doesn't pan out.... I have Pure Carribean Arragonite in my reef, and I love it. :fish2:

[Chris]

Josh if you're able to get another order setup, you're welcome to use my place as storage.

One of the many perks of being a bachelor... no wife to complain about other peoples stuff in my pad. 8)

[fishcraze]

Josh,
I just post this topic on the Marsh group to find out how many people want to order the sand. I'll keep you posted on that. I need at least 10 bags myself (properly 15 bags). What's the minimum bags we need for you to make an order?

[REEFAHOLIC]

Josh: I will go in for another 10 bags.

Tina

[dow]

I'd probably be interested in some. Not much, maybe a bag or two.

[fishcraze]

Here are the sum of sand bags needed so far:
Gene (Marine) = 7 bags
Reefaholic = 10 bags
Dow = 1 bag
Myself = 10 bags
EatenbyLimestone (from Marsh group) = 3 bags
Total so far = 31 bags

There is another fellow (SuperDave) from Marsh that also want this sand and had make the contacts w/ HD himself, and look like he may be able to place an order of around 50 bags through that place (properly in Houston) at ~$10/ bag. I'll check w/ him to see if he want to co-ordinate this order w/ Josh since it's better to get a one big order to save cost on shipping.

[Tim Marvin]

I'll take 3 bags

[SuperDave]

Here's what I have so far.

I have located a store that has a little over 50 bags @ $4.99 each. Add to that around $5.40 for shipping. The person I contacted has this material on hold and can get more. The material MUST be shipped to another HD in our area. They will not ship to a residence.

I have also contacted the manufacture but they will only ship in full loads of 16 pallets containing 70 bags each. They are in the process of pricing the sand and shipping for us. I should have this info Monday.

I will get back with more details if there is intrest.

SuperDave[/u][/b]

[Chris]

Hey SuperDave, welcome to our forums. :)

In your MARSH post you mentioned the name OldCastle as the brand name. I haven't heard of it before nor seen the name ever come up. How positive are you that this is the same stuff?

[SuperDave]

The person at the HD I contacted assured me it is the same company. He said they only changed there name. He also stated he contacted the manufacturer that he gave me the # for and the material is Ca based and is mines off of the Keys and in the Bahamas. Sounds like the same material to me.

I have also contacted another manufacturer that uses the same material but packages 50# in a reuseable sealed hard plastic container. He is pricing a bulk order for us with shipping. This product may be a few dollars more but would ship and store better and have the added bonus of the ever popular storage for frag meets.

And thanks for the welcome.

[fishcraze]

More updates: (from the last count of 31 bags)
Tim Marvin: 3 bags
rhane71 (from Marsh): 1 bag
SuperDave (from Marsh): 10 bags
Fish R Fun store on Westheimer, Houston: 10 bags (I talked the owner into buying this stuff, and he said he would give it a try :))
There are some others that expressed interest, but has not confirm on the # of bags yet.

So, the latest # of bags = 55 bags
And now, it's between Josh and David to decide who should place the order, which ever way convenience for all of us.. Of course,it would be more convenient for me to pick it up in Houston, but I don't mind to drive up to San Antonio to pick the stuff up either.. I may be able make a good use of the trip by visiting some lfs in San Antonio to see if they have some special stuffs..

[dow]

I'll up my order to 2 bags. Or, if we go with the buckets, 3 buckets.

So I guess that makes it 56 bags or 57 buckets.

[Reefdude]

do the stores in houston actually have livestock right now?? im not finding anything around here. :(

[Kevinn]

Count me in for 20 bags.

[fishcraze]

10 more from Gobrien (from Marsh). So the total now is 86 bags!

[Reefdude]

I have a pickup and wouldnt mind pickin up on a weekend trip..it would give me a chance to check out the LFS in Houston to see if they have livestock in their stores.

Ben aka "my wife is gonna kill me over a tank"

[z28pwr]

I would like to get 25 bags if possible.


If you can ship it to San Antonio that would be awesome but I wouldn't mind driving up to Houston to pick them up.


Thanks.

[MikeP]

If you are still planning the order I would go in on about 5 bags.

-Mike

[TexasState]

He posts pretty often at MArshreef.org, or you could PM him, and the PM system will send him an email notification.

[schprock]

I would like 10 bags

[fishcraze]

Josh,
David (SuperDave) also want to talk to you about the ordering.. In fact, he asked me the other day about your email address so but i don't have it As Vinh said, you can PM him on the Marsh website and i think he don't mind give you his phone # in case you two want to talk on the phone. I think he is waiting on the qoute from the manufacture of the SD sand to get an even better price/ buckets this week.
If I count the #bags correctly, the requested # of bags has gone up to 121 bags now, so hope we can get a good price!

[Derek B]

Josh, I would be in for 1 bag if it arrives in San Antonio or someone brings it here. I don't want to drive to Houston to pick it up.

[SuperDave]

Does everybody remember the old beer adds where Randy Quaid said "I'll get back to you with more details"? Well here I go.

Cost and availability in mind I believe it would be best to order from the manufacturer. I am in the process of trying to find better shipping rates than the manufacturer quoted.

Here goes the good part. They told me that it is the Southdown product only under a new name. New owners or something. They only sell the 50# bags to commercial customers like Home Depot but we would be purchasing 40# bags. Price with shipping $8.25. Please do not hold me to this price as it is estimated shipping. This is a little lower than HD's shipped price. With any luck I may get it lower still. But this is what my contact said it should be.

Now for the bad part. I would actually have to order it by the truck. Which is 1120 bags. Does anyone want thier own beach? This would give everyone that wants some all they could need for quite some time. What does not sell here I may be able to push @ LFS.

Let me know what you think.

[SuperDave]

Plus, if we decide not to go with the large order we still have the HD that is holding one pallet and can get more. :D

[captexas]

Holy :fart: SuperDave! That's a hell of a deal if that price holds true as it comes out to $0.21/pound. BUT, buying a truckload comes out to $9240.00 :shock: That's a lot of money that I'm sure someone will have to pay up front to get South Down and the shipper to commit to the deal. Plus someone will have to have some place to store about 18 pallets (I think that's how many fit on a truck) until it gets picked up by members or can be sold to LFS's. I'm sure a lot of LFS's in Houston, S.A., and even Austin would take a bunch of it as they could make a good profit reselling it. You will need someone with a heavy-duty truck and heavy-duty trailer to move it from Houston to S.A. also. If the shipment was split in half, that's 22,400 pounds of sand to transport. I think that may be more trouble than it's worth, but that's just my opinion.

Anyone on here a truck driver with an 18 wheeler available? :-D

[z28pwr]

Super Dave, can't SouthDown sell you by the pallet ?

[fishcraze]

David,
Are you sure you can sell the extra sand to the lfs? otherwise, that would be a lot of sand to hold w/ a truck load. You said that you can get 1 pallet (70 bags?) or more from HD at ~$10/ 50lbs bag? that's about $0.20/ lb, not bad at all and less troublesome. what do ya think?

[SuperDave]

More than likely, the HD order is the way we will go. The person I talked with said he can get as much as we want. We will talk more tonight at the MARSH meeting, and will order at least two pallets tomorrow.

[seafan]

I'd like to get about 480 lbs of Southdown, 10 50-lbs-bags please. thank you for your effort.

[matt]

Howdy;

I'll get 5 or 6 bags, if I can pick it up in San Antonio.

Matt

[SuperDave]

It can only be delivered to a Home Depot. I have asked that it be delivered to the HD off of FM 518 just south of Houston. I will pick it up there and whoever wants some can purchase the amount they wish as long as it lasts. :D

[z28pwr]

Dave, do you have a timeframe as to when the sand should be in Houston or is it still unknown?


Thanks.

[z28pwr]

SuperDave, any idea when this is going to happen ?


Thanks.

[fishcraze]

I think he's already ordered 2 pallets of sand (112 bags?), and waiting for the delivery now.

[z28pwr]

Thanks, please keep us in the loop.

[SuperDave]

I hate to look like an idiot here, but I have finally got a direct response from the Bridgewater HD in New Jersey about the shipping. They told me the shipping for the two pallets of sand, which they do have on hand, would be about $2000. I said no thanks and priced delivery through some consolidators but only got the price down to $1500.

Josh, how did you get it delivered at the price you had? And if you can duplicate that feat please do so again.

Once again, I am sorry to keep everyone on hold for so long but I did spend quite a few long distance calls trying to pull this order together.

[Chris]

Doh! Forgot to change the permissions so guest's can't post. :oops:

Gotta login to post. :grin:

[fishcraze]

:-D :-D there must be a bug in the program. I got to the site by clicking on my bookmark, and normally it logs in automatically, but not this time... I didn't know i posted as a guess until it reloaded the thread after I submitted the reply.

[z28pwr]

I'll need 20 Bags.

Worst Case we can get some PureAragonite for $15 bucks a bag delivered in Houston, as long as we buy 70 bags.

[Henry]

If possible I would like to get 2 bags of Southdown.
Thanks guys. Let me know if help is needed w/delivery or anything

Henry M

[Jeff Post]

I will want a couple of bags and have some friends that might want some also. Let me know when you are going to order and I will get you a firm count on how many bags I want.

[SuperDave]

Josh,

I do still have the contact that quoted the truckload price.

Let me know what quantity you come up with there, and I will check here in Houston. I would be willing to hold onto some of the material for future orders but would like to sell at least half of the material up front.


SuperDave

[captexas]

Josh -
I could use a couple bags. I will need more sand if I convert my 58 to the 75.

Thanks, Chris

[serpinski]

I'm in for six if it can be done.

[REEFAHOLIC]

I still want 10 bags :lol:

[fishcraze]

I want 20 bags and will come to San Antonio to pick them up.
Here is the list of those who did put down # of bags before (those w/ the " * " have confirmed recently):

Gene = 7 bags
*REEFAHOLIC = 10
dow = 1
*EatenbyLimestone (from Marsh group) = 3 bags
Tim Marvin = 3
Kevinn =20
Gobrien (from Marsh) = 10
*z28pwr= 20
technoshaman = 5
schprock = 10
Techgrad = 1
seafan = 10
matt = 5
* Henry M = 2
* serpinski = 6
* bdiccus (Marsh) = 10
CJ (marsh)= 10
fishdude (marsh) =10
halkinman(Marsh) = 10
* SuperDave (from Marsh) = 10 (at least? :))
* myself = 20

Total = 183 bags (81 confirmed)

Jeff Post = ?
captexas = ?

Josh, if you go forward w/ the order, can you give us your address or phone # so we can contact and send you the check up front?

[PeteH]

Is it too late to get in on this??? I am in Kyle and would like 3 bags please.

Thanks,
Pete

[Tim Marvin]

Welcome Pete. Hang in there, usually someone orders too much just in case of this situation. I didn't get in on this order or there would have been plenty extra. I am almost sure someone will accommidate you though.

[bdiccus]

Josh,

I'll take 10 bags as well. I'm in Houston but I have family in San Antonio that can p/u for me. Please let me know.

[CJ]

I'm replying to fishcraze's post, I'm confirming I'd like 10 bags if/when an order can be put together.

CJ (from MARSH)

[PeteH]

Thanks for the welcome guys. :eek:

*Pete

[MikeP]

I would still like 5 bags maybe 10 if we don't have them all spoken for. I would be willing to haul sand from SA to Austin in my ranger for the folk up here if it's being brought to SA.

[Jeff Post]

Josh,

Put me down for four bags. I might increase it after I talk to my friends if you are able to order as many as it seems people want.

[XXX]

Hi, I know I'm new but I live here in North-east San Antonio. How much will the bags be? I'm still a little confused on that. I'd love to order some if it's not too late. If not I thank you all the same - Alex :lol:

[captexas]

Josh -
I finally got to looking at how much sand I will need. I will take 4 bags (if they are still 50lbs.) for now and that should give me plenty if not some extra.

Thanks
Chris

[kjswift]

Is it $10 a bag? I would like to order 4 if thats possible. I live by Medical Center. Thanks

[Janice]

If there is still time to order before you talk to your contact, I will take (2) two bags. If it's too late and you guys have extra somehow I would be happy to take a couple.

[dow]

Josh,

Make my order 2 bags instead of the one you have listed. Thanks!

[z28pwr]

Actually I need 25 bags. Let me know if you need me to give you the money now.


z28pwr@yahoo.com

[XXX]

I'll definately take 4 bags for sure. Let me know when and where you need the money OK? It would be greatly appreciated - Alex :lol:

[SuperDave]

Josh,

I posted a thread on the DFWMAS site to see if there was any interest there. With any luck this might take us to the quantity we are looking for.

Drop me a E-Mail when you can.

[Chris]

I may hop in on 5 bags as well. Don't need it but could always use it later.

[bdiccus]

Hey if I need to up my order from 10 to 15 I'll do it. Whatever it takes to get this shipment in.

[Chris]

Ummmm.... day light savings? :-D

[fishcraze]

Here is the updated count of confirmed bags replied on this thread (not including those may send confirmation PM to Josh):

*REEFAHOLIC = 10
*dow = 2
*EatenbyLimestone (from Marsh group) = 3 bags
*z28pwr= 25
*technoshaman = 5
* Henry M = 2
* serpinski = 6
* bdiccus (Marsh) = 10
*CJ (marsh)= 10
* SuperDave (from Marsh) = 10 (at least? )
* myself = 20
*PeteH = 3
*Jeff Post = 4
*captexas = 4
*kjswift= 4
*Janice = 2
*XXX = 4
*Chris = 5

Total = 125 bags confirmed

fishdude (marsh) =10
halkinman(Marsh) = 10
schprock = 10
Techgrad = 1
seafan = 10
matt = 5
Tim Marvin = 3
Kevinn =20
Gobrien (from Marsh) = 10
Gene = 7 bags
Total = 86 (not confirmed yet???)

Josh, How many bags is it per pallet? Just afraid that 2 pallets won't be enough for all of us?

[Chris]

Josh, How many bags is it per pallet? Just afraid that 2 pallets won't be enough for all of us?

I believe the pallets consist of 70 but last time we didn't even order a whole pallet so I don't think it matters much.

[SuperDave]

That's it. I give up. Now the people at OldCastle are trying to go wierd on me. It's all yours Josh. I don't how you can deal with these kind of people. You must work at a Day Care. If you are able to do this I would like 10 bags please. Contact me with whatever payment info you need.

And thanks for your efforts. I know what you are dealing with.

[bdiccus]

Yeah I would definately NOT mention the word Aquarium to anyone at HD. It will be our little secret. :twisted:

[seafan]

How am I supposed to confirm it? Are they coming to Houston or San Antonio? Are we going to a HD store to pick up, or the person who orders them?

thanks!

[Chris]

seafan if Josh is able to get the order then it'll be shipped to San Antonio. I offered my place as space to hold all the sand because i'm sure Josh's wife won't like all the room 2 pallets worth of sand will take up. :o

Where ever it sits though... either someone from Houston or one of us will end up driving it over there.

Depending on how many we take to Houston, I might volunteer if I can fit them all in my Civic. I wouldn't mind visiting the local shops and I have family there as well.

We're still hoping Josh is able to get it shipped first though. 8)

[SuperDave]

Chris,

Did you say you would bring it in your Civic??????????? :-D :-D :-D

Well that will take care of a couple of 10 gal. tanks.

Just kidding. It's nice of you to offer.

[bdiccus]

Guys,

I live in Houston but have relatives that live in SA. I have a F-150 Screw that I could use. If it's too much then I'll just borrow my dad's flat-bed trailer to haul it back to H-Town. So count me in for the trip. BTW, I live in NW Harris County, 290 + Barker-Cypress.

[Chris]

Chris,

Did you say you would bring it in your Civic??????????? :-D :-D :-D

Well that will take care of a couple of 10 gal. tanks.

Just kidding. It's nice of you to offer.

Hehe yeah it was part of my ploy to get you guys to feel sorry and offer to get your butts over here instead. :-D

[GSH]

I'll take 5 bags.

[david p]

if there's still bags to be bought, i'll take 5.

[SuperDave]

Well, I gave up and got some from a LFS called Global Fish and Pets here in Houston. It was a decent price of $20 per bag. They have another order that will arive next week.

I just couldn't hold out any longer.

If you are in the area anytime soon, drop in and give them a look. They usually have some interesting livestock. You can find thier information on the MARSH web site @ MARSHREEF.ORG.

[z28pwr]

Well, I gave up and got some from a LFS called Global Fish and Pets here in Houston. It was a decent price of $20 per bag. They have another order that will arive next week.

I just couldn't hold out any longer.

If you are in the area anytime soon, drop in and give them a look. They usually have some interesting livestock. You can find thier information on the MARSH web site @ MARSHREEF.ORG.

Guys, don't give up on this. I'm sure we will have an answer soon and worst case I can get 40 lbs bags of PureAragonite for $15 dollars each shipped with probably no sales tax.

That's a big savings when you buy 10 $20 dollar bags + tax. Atleast another 4 bags of sand for the same price.

I know some people just can't hold off any longer but hopefully it won't be long.

[PeteH]

I am still in for 3 bags :D

[bdiccus]

Fortunately I'm not in a rush so count me in for at least 10 bags!

[z28pwr]

Any news from the folks at Home Depot?

[fishcraze]

Any updates???

[bdiccus]

I'm sure I can speak for all of us when I say Thanks a whole bunch for all your help.

[fishcraze]

Thanks for the update, Josh. Wonder how many pallets you plan on ordering. If a big order is troublesome, i think we may be able to scale down our # of bags.. (at least i know i put down # of bags more than i need now just for future use :) )

[z28pwr]

If needed I could scale down the # of bags just like I'm sure others could.

[Henry]

keep up the good work. your doing great.

[z28pwr]

I picked up 10 bags of SouthDown sand tonight therefore I only need 10 now.

Thanks.

[REEFAHOLIC]

Hey, where'd ya find the southdown in SA :?

[z28pwr]

I picked them up from a guy in Austin but I got everything he had left.

[matt]

Just joined this thread. If there's any left when it comes in, I'll take a few bags. Should I just keep checking back here?

Matt

[bdiccus]

PayPal!!!

[fishcraze]

I would be done w/ the plumping for my new 180 gal this weekend, and ready to add water/ LR sometimes next week - except the sand.. Wonder if it's possible that we may be able to get the sand in the next 2 weeks?

[z28pwr]

If we can't get the southdown sand in the next 2 weeks would anybody be interested in getting a pallet of Pure Aragonite Sand. www.purearagonite.com . It's supposed to be some good Aragonite and we can get it for $15 dollars a bag shipped if we purchase 70.

And I think there is no sales Tax since they are out of state therefore it would be like buying the bag for $13.50 + tax.

Let me know.

[MikeP]

I'd be down with that. Checked site and now they have it for 11.95 a bag. It's basically same grain size as southdown right? If so I'd be in for 5 bags, maybe 10 if we need to make the order happen.

[z28pwr]

I'd be down with that. Checked site and now they have it for 11.95 a bag. It's basically same grain size as southdown right? If so I'd be in for 5 bags, maybe 10 if we need to make the order happen.

Correct the grain size is the same. The site has the bags for 11.95 but you need to add shipping and shipping on 40 lbs isn't cheap that's why we need to buy the pallet to get them shipped for $15 bucks a bag.

I'll get 5 bags for myself therefore that makes it 10.

[Janice]

I'll get 5 bags for myself therefore that makes it 10.

I'll take 2 if the SD thing doesn't happen.

[RedDragon]

Ya I'll take 2 too if the SD dose bot happen too :-D



Thanks,
Jaime :-D

[z28pwr]

Any News ?

[bdiccus]

Oy vey!

[z28pwr]

Okay, for some reason he said the in-store transfer that we did last time is not getting any cooperation this time around. He asked if I'd like him to call SD and see about ordering direct from them, so that's where I left him. Honestly thouogh, I think 2 pallets will not be cost efficient to have trucked in from Florida. So, he says he hasn't forgotten, but he's kicked it up to the manager because he's out of ideas, so he's waiting for his manager to come up with something.

I'd say, go with the purearagonite.com unless you don't mind waiting a while. I think the in-store transfers are not working due to seasonal stock variances, last order was in the summer time.


JustLetMeIn, thanks for all your help. I know it's hard to get those transfers going.

If anybody wants to get the PureAragonite Palet We can still do it. The price would be $15 dollars a 40 lbs bag shipped with what seems to be no sales tax.

So far we have:

z28pwr 10
TecnoShaman 5
Janice 2


Total Bags 17
Bags Needed For Palet 53

[fishcraze]

thanks for your efforts anyway, Josh. I think I will buy the 40 lbs bag locally then.

[RedDragon]

I'll take two bags :-D

[Chris]

Hey guys... since this thread is already so long, you may want to just create another one labeled "Pure Aragonite.com group order" so you can clearly tell who's ordering how many.

Just a suggestion.

8)

[R.Allard]

How fast is this gonna be done and i would like 5 bags please if i can still get in on the deal.
p.s. im in san antonio and am a general contractor. i have a place to store at least 15 or 20 pallets of the sd sand if needed.
thanks R.
my ph # is 830 792 9623 let me know where to pick it up or when and where i need to pay thanks.

[MikeP]

Until thread gets moved just to let you know I'm still in for 5 bags and can pick up my sand and any other austinites with my truck and drop it off. Z, let me know when you decide to order I can paypal or whatever on the sand.

[z28pwr]

Until thread gets moved just to let you know I'm still in for 5 bags and can pick up my sand and any other austinites with my truck and drop it off. Z, let me know when you decide to order I can paypal or whatever on the sand.

Great.
I'm trying to order ASAP, we just need 46 more bags.