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    It has been a minute since an update. I had to take a back seat to my tank and stuff due to a tree landing on my car this past weekend. I will have to say that it was my first time having a tree totally demolish my car. I was thinking about getting a new car due to some expensive repairs that needed to be done and I guess the universe decided to force my hand.

    In terms of tank, I made a really stupid mistake of dosing too much magnesium directly in my tank instead of in the return section of my fuge. Well I paid the price as 3 of my frags started to STN on me. I'm bummed but more importantly ****ed at myself for being lazy and not putting my Mg directly into my return section. I knew I screwed up when I saw the thick Mg slowly engulf some of my corals. Well it took about a week to two weeks after I messed up. This is typically the amount of time I have found that it takes for acros to react to something negative in their environment that for an STN reaction. Fortunately, it is only isolated to a few corals and not tank wide, which is a great sigh of relief.

    In the theme of rolling with the punches, I now will have some room for some new goodies that I might snatch from MACNA. I'm in the hunt for a Pink Floyd and Maleficient. Not really for the name but because the colors are truly beautiful.

    I also decided to take off my jebao pumps and just go with the 2 MP40's hooked up with a WXM that changes the modes throughout the day. Based on the ecotech website, 2 MP40's are a lot but if I can keep the pumps dialed down to around 50- 60%, it should be good to go for my acros. Only time will tell if the flow is low enough to allow my acros to grow vertically and still have the flow to help get nutrients to them. What sucks is that hitting a few with Mg, didn't help me out. The good news is that my CaRx is dialed in so now I can test a frequent as 3-4 days in between.
    -Justin

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    2) If you do not ASK, the answer will always be NO
    3) If you do not step forward, you値l always be in the same place

    100 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...-Breeder-world
    135 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...267#post978267

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    Wow Justin sorry about your car! I hope the insurance company gives you a fair value for your vehicle. A new vehicle it just the right recipe to forget about the old one.

    Back in 2011 I dosed too much Magnesium as well and wiped out a large Idaho Grape colony. I was so bummed. I hate being grossly negligent when my corals die. Unfortunately that is usually how it goes for me. The tank is doing so well that I just need to go and screw things up! How high did your Mag go?

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    Darn sounds like a bad week, hopefully things start to pick up. What days will you be at MACNA? The wife and family are going, me for one day at MACNA, the wife and brother/his wife to party in New Orleans the whole weekend. I am just trying to figure out which is the best day to attend?

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    I'm planning on going Saturday and maybe parts of Sunday. I was nominated to be a contestant to win a free flight and macna pass by masna, but I don't find out until the 18th. If I don't win, then I'm going to drive out. We should meet up and grab a beer or two.

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    -Justin

    3 Simple Rules in Life

    1) If you do not GO after what you want, you値l never have it.
    2) If you do not ASK, the answer will always be NO
    3) If you do not step forward, you値l always be in the same place

    100 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...-Breeder-world
    135 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...267#post978267

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Valentine View Post
    Wow Justin sorry about your car! I hope the insurance company gives you a fair value for your vehicle. A new vehicle it just the right recipe to forget about the old one.

    Back in 2011 I dosed too much Magnesium as well and wiped out a large Idaho Grape colony. I was so bummed. I hate being grossly negligent when my corals die. Unfortunately that is usually how it goes for me. The tank is doing so well that I just need to go and screw things up! How high did your Mag go?
    Hey Troy. the mg itself didn't go up too high, just to about 1400 but when I dosed it, it was directly in the tank and on top of a few frags. How is your new tank doing by the way?

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    -Justin

    3 Simple Rules in Life

    1) If you do not GO after what you want, you値l never have it.
    2) If you do not ASK, the answer will always be NO
    3) If you do not step forward, you値l always be in the same place

    100 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...-Breeder-world
    135 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...267#post978267

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    I'm planning on going Saturday and maybe parts of Sunday. I was nominated to be a contestant to win a free flight and macna pass by masna, but I don't find out until the 18th. If I don't win, then I'm going to drive out. We should meet up and grab a beer or two.

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    Will do we are staying at the Hilton

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    Well I think we are finally past the tree landing on my car issue. Thanks to the folks at USAA, we were able to get my car labeled as totaled and a settlement check is heading my way. Just in time for me to go shopping at MACNA in good Ole Nola!

    My tank took a bit of a down turn recently that I just couldn't put my finger on. I started to dose a few of my plugs start to show signs of burnt tips and receded a bit from not only their tips but also from around the further most encrusted areas. I can't put my finger on it but based on prior experience, it would leave me to believe that I am showing signs of alk burn. The crazy thing is that in the past, I saw signs of alk burn when I ran too much GFO and kept my dkh at around 9.0. This time around, my dkh was around 8.17 and I no longer run any GFO or phosphate removal medium except for my macro algae in my fuge. I will say that after an overdose fiasco with Stump remover, my NO3 was a little high at 16 ppm, but based on the research I found, that would just cause browning in my corals. I also stupidly dosed Mg directly in my tank and the heavy Mg solution surrounded some of my corals, which in turn showed bleaching but still surviving. The burnt tips intrigued me and I found some interesting threads on R2R that make me think the following may have happened.

    Since I reset my PAR values on my LED's light to hit my corals with roughly 350 PAR, my corals were hit with some strong lightening which in turn sent the photosynthesis sections of the corals into overdrive and starts to produce energy and also multiply the bacteria within the corals. Add to this scenario with a slightly higher dkh than natural seawater and high NO3, my corals were in overdrive with growth and food production. The only limiting factor was the PO4, which in turn created "Alk burn" symptoms. I have since lowered my dkh to roughly 7.50 dkh and the "burn" effects have stopped. Take into consideration that during this whole "burn" period, I had massive polyp extension and my coloration was just as vivid as before. I really do think that my macro algae stripped the PO4 from the water, making the available Alk and Ca higher than the corals are used to and they consequently went through an Alk burn.

    Long story short, I plan to keep my dkh lower at roughly 7.5 and closely monitor my PO4 readings with a Hanna checker. Yesterday my reading showed my PO4 to be roughly .06 and I hope to keep my PO4 steady at this level to help aid in my NO4 reduction naturally. I also went ahead and bought some Seachem Phosphorus to help dose PO4 into my tank to keep my PO4 levels at a constant .06. My theory, and hopefully I am right on this, is that with the added PO4, my corals will have plenty of both N and P for daily metabolic functions and growth. I put some links to my research below from R2R and a pic of the phosphorus I plan to use. My current levels of K are at roughly 360 and I need them to be at 400. The beauty of this product and Stump remover, is that they both contain K. This will help me get to an acceptable level of 400 on my potassium!

    https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/li...6#post-3963240

    -Justin

    3 Simple Rules in Life

    1) If you do not GO after what you want, you値l never have it.
    2) If you do not ASK, the answer will always be NO
    3) If you do not step forward, you値l always be in the same place

    100 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...-Breeder-world
    135 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...267#post978267

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    I love that this hobby fosters a desire for knowledge and playing detective in your own reef version of CSI! Great work on the research into the potential issue Justin.

    I alleviate any issues with alk burn by keeping my alk at 7.0-7.5 dKh at all times and feeding a ton to the tank to always have available nutrients, while stripping excess to make sure there aren't too many nutrients.

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    Thanks Ty. Its one of the many aspects of this hobby that I really enjoy. There is just so much info out there from some really talented and knowledgable folks out there that you can find a solution or a discussion to a lot of topics on the hobby. I guess I sort of feel like a mini marine biologist of sorts with my tank. I'm going to out in Austin around 9/11, if you are free, I would love to check out your system and get some key take away's from you. Not to mention check out that awesome Vivid Aquarium Confetti you picked up.

    The one thing that continues to plague me with my tank is the lack of significant growth in my acros. For many of my corals, I have great encrusting action but true vertical growth is very slow and coming. There are a few that are showing tons of mini vertical growth spurts with massive PE but no new vertical branches yet.

    I originally thought that my flow was too great, which I think it was and with just the 2 MP40's, I'm still seeing the same PE extension throughout my tank. Now I'm wondering if low nutrients, specifically P is the limiting factor in my growth. I haven't tested the rest of the RedSea coral color test kits, mainly because the tests are a pain in the *** to perform. The metrics I was able to test were:
    Alk: 7.39 dkh hanna
    Ca: 475 Redsea
    Mg: 1260 ( I was able to add some more Mg but will do it over 3 days back up to 1390) Redsea
    PO4: .06 Hanna
    K: 360 Salifert
    Strontium: 360 Salifert
    NO3: 16 Redsea

    Even though I work from home and able to feed and monitor my tank throughout the day, I have been pretty busy and haven't been able to feed as heavily as I normally do. Mix this with me re-aligning some of my fuge bulbs to get more light in my fuge, and I think my macro was actually out competing my corals for available P. I can only monitor my levels and dose accordingly. Once I get my Seachem Phosphorus in the mail. I can see if keeping my PO4 at .06 consistently will help. I do like the idea of keeping my pH at 7.5 to keep things close to natural seawater and avoid further possibility of "alk burn." So far, things are steady again and I can continue to track the recovery of my reef and hopefully see it grow again!
    -Justin

    3 Simple Rules in Life

    1) If you do not GO after what you want, you値l never have it.
    2) If you do not ASK, the answer will always be NO
    3) If you do not step forward, you値l always be in the same place

    100 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...-Breeder-world
    135 Gallon Write up
    http://www.maast.org/showthread.php?...267#post978267

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    I've never had the issue of no vertical growth. The two things that I can think of that affects growth shape the most is intensity of light and amount of flow. Corals, particularly hard corals tend to flatten out with higher light and higher flow and grow more vertical with less flow and light but that's just generalities. Hopefully your lower flow experiment will yield some interesting results.

    That's what I like about this hobby, you have to wear many hats to he successful. Part electrician, part biologist, part disease specialist, part mechanic, part researcher, part experimenter, part nutritionist, part physics expert, part lighting expert, and part chemist. Those with the most successful tanks tend to have the ability to excel in most of those categories.... or have a ton of money. Haha.

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